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JOSHUA FREED | 06/19/09 02:52 PM | AP

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MINNEAPOLIS — As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter _ a fee on top of a fee.

Of course, you could always pay your baggage fee from home. The airlines call it the "online discount."

If airlines can get away with that, what's next? Rather than raise fares in the middle of a recession, they're piling on fees to make money _ fees for bags, fees to get through the line faster, even fees for certain seats.

United Airlines alone expects to rake in more than $1 billion this year in fees ranging from baggage to accelerated frequent-flier awards. That's more than 5 percent of its revenue.

The most likely new fees are those that some airline, somewhere, has tried. Fees usually originate with one or two airlines, and competitors watch to see whether passengers accept them or revolt. For instance:

_ US Airways and United are hitting passengers up for $5 to pay their baggage fees at the airport instead of online. United implemented the fee June 10, while US Airways will put it into effect July 9.

_ If you want to select an exit row seat on AirTran and enjoy the extra legroom, expect to cough up $20.

_ Allegiant Air, a smaller national discount airline, charges a $13.50 "convenience fee" for online purchases, even though most other carriers encourage purchases direct from their Web site.

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_ European discounter Ryanair charges for something everyone has to do if they want to fly: check in. It's 5 euros, or about $6.75, to check in online, double for passengers who pay at the airport. Ryanair plans to eliminate airport check-in desks.

_ Spanish airline Vueling charges a fee to pick a seat. Any seat at all. A "basic" seat behind the wing runs 3 euros. For 30 euros, travelers can choose an aisle or window seat and guarantee that the middle seat will remain empty.

"They need to chill out with those," said a frustrated Jim Engineer, a public relations executive waiting for a flight out of New York's LaGuardia. "Charging for a glass of water and seats just translates into unhappy customers."

As recently as last year, most fliers only came across a fee if they checked three bags or sent a minor child across the country. Most people, most of the time, traveled fee-free.

But that began to change last spring. Spiking jet fuel prices and passenger resistances to higher fares started airlines looking around the cabin for things they could charge extra for.

Passengers are finding it's a lot easier for the airlines to add the fees than to take them away.

"They're going to keep nudging them up until they run into market resistance," said Ed Perkins, a contributing editor at the Web site Smarter Travel.

That's what happened at US Airways. It tried for seven months to charge for soda and water but gave up in March after no other airlines took up the idea. And Delta scaled back a plan to charge $50 to check a second bag on all international flights. Instead, the charge will apply only on flights to Europe.

United has been a leader in finding ways to charge passengers separately for things. Some are for perks coach travelers used to get for free, like food. Others are new services altogether, like United's door-to-door luggage service via FedEx.

Airlines say fees are part of "a la carte" pricing that allows them to hold the line on fares. Rather than charge higher fares to everyone, they say, passengers can pick and choose the extras they want to pay for.

Ideas for fees don't come out of thin air. Last month in Miami most of the big U.S. carriers and many overseas airlines attended a conference devoted to a-la-carte pricing and fees. (Motto, next to a cartoon of an airliner: "Discovering the flying store.")

Some fees stretch the imagination: The CEO of European discount carrier Ryanair has floated the idea of charging for lavatory use and sick bags. But even he hasn't gone ahead with what appears to have been a publicity-seeking gambit, and no other carrier has suggested such a charge.

Still, there's no rule against such a fee in the U.S., according to the Department of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administration.

Delta Air Lines Inc. and AirTran Holdings Inc. say they have no plans to tack a fee on to carry-on bags, an idea that would almost certainly annoy passengers just getting used to paying for checked baggage.

It would also put airline workers in the awkward position of deciding whether that bag on your arm is a big purse, presumably free, or a lumpy suitcase. Already, fees for checked bags have made finding space in the overhead bin tougher.

And even if carry-on bags stay free, United is already offering a "Premier Line" check-in for $25. It allows fliers to get through check-in and security faster and board earlier.

That guarantees some of that precious overhead space _ so in a way, it's like a carry-on fee, said Jay Sorensen, president of IdeaWorks Co., an airline consultant who has written a guidebook for airlines seeking "ancillary revenue," the industry term for fees and extra services such as airline credit cards.

Matthew J. Bennett, CEO of FirstClassFlyer.com, said he thinks travelers in the front of the plane will remain immune from the nickle-and-dime fees airlines aim at coach passengers.

For those in coach, though, "What they are going to charge for in the future is anything that's not bolted down."

"They've already gotten sufficient revenue from them," Bennett said. "All they're saying to coach-class travelers is 'We really haven't gotten enough from you.'"

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AP Business Writer Samantha Bomkamp in New York contributed to this report.

MINNEAPOLIS — As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter _ a fee on top of a fee. Of course, ...
MINNEAPOLIS — As if charging $15 to check a bag weren't enough, two airlines are asking for $5 more beginning this summer if you pay at the check-in counter _ a fee on top of a fee. Of course, ...
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- MDinOK I'm a Fan of MDinOK 2 fans permalink
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"United Airlines alone expects to rake in more than $1 billion this year in fees..." If the airlines keep this up, maybe they can cover the cost of the $1 trillion health plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 06/20/2009
- DMSmith I'm a Fan of DMSmith 17 fans permalink

Some truly smart airline will come up with a No Fee system. Price fairly for the flight and do everything they can to speed you through check-in.

Doing this, and advertising it will make them SAIL past their competitors who have been asking for this.

Flying has become an ugly, difficult experience. Make it something else and you win. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 06/20/2009
- cef911f1 I'm a Fan of cef911f1 19 fans permalink
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You are absolutely right. Airlines should make a profit and they should simply charge a fair fare. Adding all of the extra fees is "nickle & diming" the customer and leaves a very bad taste in their mouth. TSA makes flying unattractive enough. So much so, that after having traveled the world, I have determined that there isn't anywhere where I would have to fly that I want to go. I'll drive thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 06/20/2009

Part of this is the flying public's fault. If people would pay for the fares the airlines need to charge then this wouldn't be an issue. People have gotten so used to paying 300 bucks to fly transcon, it's insane they won't pay 315, but they will pay 300 and another 50 bucks in fees. Why? Because the fare was low. People don't pay attention to the fees, because they aren't in the FARE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 06/20/2009
- vgirl1 I'm a Fan of vgirl1 57 fans permalink

DONT FLY. DONT FLY. DONT FLY.

Businesses uses telconferencing.

Non-business travelers, use your cars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 06/20/2009
- jglass54 I'm a Fan of jglass54 4 fans permalink
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And if we ever get those high-speed train lines built, use the train lines!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/20/2009
- traveling1 I'm a Fan of traveling1 8 fans permalink
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you obviously don't travel much or ever out of the country huh? Can't drive to lots of places in the world. I love to travel and will continue to do so but will always hate to fly. "Getting there" absolutely sucks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 06/20/2009
- Rangergirl I'm a Fan of Rangergirl 19 fans permalink

They keep it up and even less people will fly....It is cheaper for me to Drive to Tx to visit our son and his family, than it is to fly....We have two dogs that come with us as well....and we aren't restricted with what we bring......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 06/20/2009
- MDinOK I'm a Fan of MDinOK 2 fans permalink
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I agree. At one timei enjoyed flying, but not anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 06/20/2009
- AlexFTW I'm a Fan of AlexFTW 19 fans permalink
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What these mothers need is a nice juicy class action lawsuit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/20/2009
- tralfas I'm a Fan of tralfas 11 fans permalink

I am so tired of these greedy airlines. It is time for Obama to finally push through single flyer. Call your Congressperson and Senator and demand single single flyer!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 06/20/2009
- Gewyne I'm a Fan of Gewyne 12 fans permalink
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Due to getting to the airports, checkin times, security checks, boarding & deboarding, waiting for luggage and then taxi/bus to your final destination from the airport it is faster to drive between many destinations in Europe nowadays -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 06/20/2009
- mlaiuppa I'm a Fan of mlaiuppa 41 fans permalink
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The answer is....don't fly.

It's been four years since I've flown. If I can't drive there, I don't go. (Prius gets 52 mpg thankyouverymuch.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 06/20/2009
- mlaiuppa I'm a Fan of mlaiuppa 41 fans permalink
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You can pack all you need in one carry on bag. They don't charge for carryon.

I have a walkin' bag. I use the one bag. It conforms to carry on, has four wheels making it easy to manuever, has a handle I can use as a cane if need be and it's sturdy enough to sit on when I'm waiting in line.

If you pack correctly, one bag is all you need.

International flights allow you a check in and a carry on. I've still only used the one bag even when traveling to England or Guatemala.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 06/20/2009
- Jen Lepp I'm a Fan of Jen Lepp 10 fans permalink
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I just got back from a vacation, which I most depressingly flew on Delta.

I checked in on line to "speed my way through faster" the day before, so that I could check bags at the curb and not wait in line as I had my boarding pass in hand. The day I arrived, I stared at the Delta curb-side check in. Which was roped off. No one home.

Then, I walked in the airport. Line was four hamster rows - that you couldn't GET in to check your bags unless you had already checked in at the self-check in kiosk. Which they had no signs to tell you, so my fellow passengers and I helped those arriving that were baffled. I stood in line for 20 minutes with a lot of other grumbling people wondering why on earth we had bothered to check in online when, alas, we got stuck in line anyway.

Coming back from Las Vegas, it was the same thing. Curbside check in was roped off - and that time, I paid $10 for net access at the hotel to print the boarding passes to save time, thinking this time it would work. That saved me nothing.

Next time, I'm driving if I can't fly Southwest. If there was a model of inefficiency award, Delta should get it. I will never set foot on one of their planes again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 06/20/2009
- MDinOK I'm a Fan of MDinOK 2 fans permalink
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Delta is no longer the same after their merge with Northwest. They changed my husband's itinerary without contacting him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 06/20/2009
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Imagine that. 2 of the worst ailines merging into one really big horrible airline. I'd rather take the train but unfortunately this country is a banana republic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 06/20/2009

Just wait until they institute a fee for when the plane makes a safe landing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 06/20/2009
- bosunj I'm a Fan of bosunj 25 fans permalink
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Just like SE Asian sex worker, when business is slow charge more per customer. The sex worker reference is intentional because the airlines behavior is the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/20/2009
- Tatiana I'm a Fan of Tatiana 12 fans permalink
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You know that from experience?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 06/20/2009
- bosunj I'm a Fan of bosunj 25 fans permalink
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No shame in my game sweetie!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 06/21/2009
- rigormrtis I'm a Fan of rigormrtis 14 fans permalink
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Not every flight has a happy ending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/20/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 172 fans permalink
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How soon they will charging for flying miles ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 06/20/2009
- ramper I'm a Fan of ramper 15 fans permalink
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And it's the airline worker who is on the firing line for the idiotic decisions of upper management. The phone numbers of executives should be made available to every passenger so the anger and complaints can be directed to those responsible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 06/20/2009

Go to gethuman.comom Most businesses have CEO's private numbers there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 06/20/2009

All of you people complaining about the airlines need to check yourselves. For $250.00 (sometimes cheaper) you can fly across the entire country (that's thousands of miles, folks) in 4 or 5 hours. WTF else could you possibly want? That's CHEAP for what it actually is.

If you don't want to pay the extra 20 bucks to pack an extra bag with all of your blow dryers, 10 pairs of shoes and cowboy hats, don't do it and don't fly. more room for my fat ass. If an extra $5.00 or 20 dollar bill here and there are really going to break you, you mind as well just stay home.

P.S. You are more likely to die a thousand deaths many different ways than being in an airline crash. I've flown 3 or 4 times a year for the past 10 or so years. I haven't lost my bag once. People who lose their bags arrive late to the airport or the gate.

It is what it is. Bring your own damn bottle of water, put your head phones on for 4 hours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 06/20/2009

-- People who lose their bags arrive late to the airport or the gate. --

Southwest recently lost my bag. I checked it in at the counter TWO HOURS before the flight left.

I was on a direct flight from Albuquerque to Oakland, CA. When they finally located it later that day, the baggage rep called to tell me it had been put on the wrong flight and ended up in Orlando.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/20/2009
- jeburr24 I'm a Fan of jeburr24 8 fans permalink

"Bring your own damn bottle of water."

All 3 oz. of it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/20/2009
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We recognize that flying is still pretty cheap for what it is. But the industry has given us rock-bottom prices and after taking our money, continues to take it bit by bit - although I don't consider $15-20 per fee "nickels and dimes".

Want to charge more? Great. Give me decent customer service, basic amenities and treat me like a human being. Then put the real price on the ticket so I know upfront what I am paying, and can make that choice as a consumer. Doing otherwise is as dishonest as anything a credit card company will do to you.

As for the lost luggage jab, good for you that you have been so lucky. Suggesting that the airline losing your luggage is some judgment on a passenger's personal failings is ludicrous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/20/2009
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Yes, yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/22/2009

mtifmwh,
You know nothing of which you speak.

I arrive early. Very early. My bags have been lost. (I pack work materials that do not always fit in a carry on. So must check) No blowdryer. One pair of shoes. No hat.

I am afraid that you missed the point of the article. It's about FEES. Fees, OK?

Unfortunately, you have typed before understanding. Your comments are what they are: Uninformed, did you walk through the snow in bare feet as a child to get to your school house 3 miles away? Thought so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 06/20/2009
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