Schumer: Dems May Have To Go It Alone On Health Care

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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR | 06/22/09 05:47 PM | AP

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Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., holds up a stack of documents comprising of the health care reform bill as Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee ranking Republican and Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., looks on, before the committee's markup hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, June 17, 2009. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — Democrats are becoming bolder about their idea that middle-class familes get the option of joining a government insurance plan in any overhaul of the health care system. Their fervor carries a risk.

Liberals, citing polls that show support for a public plan, say they are increasingly frustrated with negotiations to make the idea more palatable to Republicans. Moderates, however, warn that abandoning the talks could jeopardize efforts to draft a bill that can pass a closely divided Senate.

"It is important not to draw lines in the sand and rule out options before they are fully explored," Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D. said Monday. "If we do, we could easily wind up with no viable option at all."

Conrad has proposed creating nonprofit health insurance co-ops as an alternative to a full-blown government plan. His idea was seen as perhaps the last hope for compromise on the issue. But another influential Democrat is complaining that talks with Republicans may be headed for a dead end.

"I don't think I could say with a straight face that this (co-op proposal) is at all close to a nationwide public option," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. "Right now, this co-op idea doesn't come close to satisfying anyone who wants a public plan."

Two recent news media polls have found public support for a government plan, even if many people are unsure about its implications. The most recent survey, a New York Times-CBS News poll released Sunday, found that 72 percent supported the idea, including half of those who identified themselves as Republicans.

House leaders are planning to use the poll results to shore up support for a public plan among moderate Democrats, as three committees hold hearings on legislation this week. In the Senate, divisions over a public plan and concerns about costs are holding up the work of the Finance Committee and may delay Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee as well.

Schumer's role is important because he's been acting as an intermediary between liberal Democrats and moderates who are trying to strike a deal on the issue with Republicans on the Finance Committee. Of the five House and Senate committees working on health care, Finance is the only one that appears to have a chance at reaching a bipartisan agreement. Schumer and Conrad are both Finance members.

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Schumer told The Associated Press that negotiation with Republicans have proved frustrating, saying that he and his Democratic colleagues now may have to go it alone on the issue of a public plan.

He said Finance Republicans had rejected several proposals designed to beef up the suggested nonprofit insurance co-ops. These included setting up a national structure for the co-ops, $10 billion in government seed money, power to negotiate payment rates to medical providers nationwide and creation of a presidentially appointed board of directors.

Conrad said nothing has been finalized.

"Negotiations for a national health care cooperative are ongoing," said Conrad. "The members of the Finance Committee are focused on getting a plan that will pass the committee and be adopted on the floor. "

The contentious issue threatens any remaining prospects of bipartisan support for President Barack Obama's sweeping plan to remake the health care system.

The public plan that most Democrats envision would be offered alongside private plans through a new kind of insurance purchasing pool called an exchange. Individuals and small businesses would be able to buy coverage through exchanges, but eventually businesses of any size might be able to join.

Proponents say having a public plan in the marketplace would put a brake on costs and check the power of insurers. But Republicans, insurers and many business leaders say the government could drive private insurance companies out of business.

House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., Cantor, said Monday that "a government plan, no matter what you call it, will increase costs" and limit choices. He spoke on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Obama also has been sending signals that he's ready to draw a line. He recently said that if Congress wants a bipartisan bill, it's up to House and Senate Republicans.

It's unclear when Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., will unveil his proposal. Initial cost estimates well above their 10-year, $1 trillion target forced senators to start over.

The next few weeks will be critical. Democrats want to push ahead as far as they can before the July 4 congressional recess. Over the break, comments from constituents could determine whether Congress sticks to its goal of passing legislation this summer.

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GOP still thinks that negotiating means they get everything their way, their cronies get all the benefits, and the rest of America gets the shaft. No wonder "negotiations" on health care aren't going anywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/22/2009
- ohsapient1 I'm a Fan of ohsapient1 27 fans permalink
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Stop blaming the REPUBs. DEMs could do this on their own. They are afraid too because they would OWN health care. This bit scares them to death. When the DEMs system ends up only covering 1/3 of the currently uninsured and costing over a TRILLION, they will be sent packing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 06/22/2009
- SpectCon I'm a Fan of SpectCon 11 fans permalink

You may be right. The current reform plan seems to be A)lots of added complexity, B)added bureaucracy, C)added deficits and taxes, D) maintains our private health insurance plan, E)mandates individual coverage.

Passing nothing would be better than what the moderate Dems are trying to do.

Private insurance IS the problem and any attempt to save them (which is what this is all about, a bailout of the privative health insurance racket) rather than winding them down, is doomed to fail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 06/23/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Last chance to sign Dr. Deans petition.

http://www.standwithdrdean.com/LastChance

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/22/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 592 fans permalink
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Done. Thanks for posting this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 06/22/2009
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 234 fans permalink
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Been there and done that twice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 06/22/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

take a stand.
http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/313-national-rally.html
National Rally for Health Care For All Now - DC June 26th
tell everyone you know about this.

enough talking, time to act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 06/22/2009
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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Done. Also, Sen. Bernie Sanders has a petition as well on his gov website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 06/22/2009
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Chuck Schumer and his colleagues will have a popular President and the power of his personality as well as an increasingly restless US citizenry on their side on health care reform.

The weak and cowardly moderates in Congress will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future of US health care.

MY FORECAST-WE WILL SEE HISTORIC US HEALTH CARE REFORM WITH A PUBLIC HEALTH OPTION BY THE END OF THIS YEAR

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/22/2009
- Chernynkaya I'm a Fan of Chernynkaya 592 fans permalink
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As my grandmother used to say, "From your mouth to God's ear."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 06/22/2009
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 234 fans permalink
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At one time Republicans had plenty of lobbyist money in the coffers. They held the White House and the Congress. They spoke of a permanent majority. However, something happened on the way to their glorious new reality. They got the policies wrong.

Scared, timid, Democrats need to realize that protecting the Health Care Industry and doing its bidding to retain their cash supplies is not going to protect them if they blow health care policy. The public will end up throwing them out of office and out of majority status no matter how much money they raise. If the Democrats want security what they have to do and do well is deliver a robust, effective health care system that focuses on universal coverage, is affordable, delivers care in a timely manner, and focuses on real health care not profits. To do this they must deliver a health care system that includes a robust medicare type public option.

Their fate is in their hands but nothing will protect them if they get the policy wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 06/22/2009
- kevsters I'm a Fan of kevsters 5 fans permalink

The problem is, Democrats may have to compromise with Democrats. Too many Democrats are tied to the health insurance industry.

I wish it were that easy Chuck, but remember, you can always take Jack Welch's advice and let people die. That would save us a ton of money.

Here's the clip.

http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=1916

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/22/2009
- amber15 I'm a Fan of amber15 14 fans permalink

don't the politicians get it - we DON'T CARE about a partisan healthcare policy - WE WANT HEALTHCARE with or without the repubs/centrist dems! WE WANT A PUBLIC HEALTHCARE POLICY BECAUSE THE INS. COS WILL ROB US BLIND FOREVER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 06/22/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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The problem with the public option is that it WON'T drive private insurers out of business .. it funnels more money to them.

Under the public option, the government will be paying private insurance companies as government contractors (like they do defense contractors). The insurance companies are still going to get rich at public expense and we'll have all the WFA (waste, fraud, abuse) that we see in the corrupt government procurement systems already in place.

That's what all the negotioations have been about ... how the insurance industry can make money off the newe schemes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 06/22/2009
- miriamfl I'm a Fan of miriamfl 15 fans permalink

I hope you are wrong, why can't we have a plan just like Medicare? I am willing to give back the tax cuts for the middle class that Pres Obama just did. I also think there should be a nationwide sales tax on all purchases that can go into a special wellness/healthcare account.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 06/22/2009
- Manx I'm a Fan of Manx 19 fans permalink

As Paul Krugman points out in his column today, the co-ops will do nothing to cut overall costs. Single-payer is the only way and it isn't even being considered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 06/22/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 162 fans permalink

Agreed. If you're serious about health care reform then you're for single payer. Everything else is just a dodge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 06/22/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

take a stand.
http://www.1payer.net/action-alerts/313-national-rally.html
National Rally for Health Care For All Now - DC June 26th
tell everyone you know about this.

enough talking, time to act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 06/22/2009

Forgive me for my skepticism, but if I've learned one thing about the good Senator from Wall Street, it's that he's all talk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 06/22/2009

So called centrist dems are frightend dems of the farm animals they represent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/22/2009

Republicans will never support any plan that includes the words "public", "low-cost", "co-op", "pool", "exchange", "shared", or "non-profit".

DINOS will never support any plan that includes the words "single" or "payer".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 06/22/2009
- leonel I'm a Fan of leonel 9 fans permalink

BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS BROKE AND OVER HALF OF MEDICAL CARE COST IS DUE TO CARELESS PUBLIC, IT IS UNLIKELY TO FUND NEW PROGRAMS AS MUCH AS IDEAL.

OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SHOULD NOT BE DISAPPOINTED IF CONGRESS CANNOT FIGURE OUT AS SOON AS IT SHOULD, ITS BEEN TRYING FOR A GENERATION OR MORE.

Problem has existed since doctors and hospitals became big business and junk food became national addiction.

As the media is gearing up to make this the political controversy of the summer, it would be wise for cooler minds to remind themselves that medical insurance reforms have been attempted for an entire generation and the lobbyists for the medical profession are just too powerful.

See:

THE SOCIAL TRANSFORMATION OF AMERICAN MEDICINE--The rise of a sovereign profession and the making of a vast industry.

1982, Paul Starr. (Winner of the 1984 Pulitzer Prize for General Non-Fictio­n.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 06/22/2009

Well then, leonel, feel free to tuck tail and scurry back under the porch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/22/2009
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The problem isn't with hospitals and doctors.
The problem is insurance companies that stand between the people and their health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 06/22/2009

There's a big problem with laissez faire medicine and "entrepreneur" doctors:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 06/22/2009

The problem is bigger than just that. Health insurance corporations are a big part of the problem but you must include doctors, big pharma and the cottage industry that lawyers have developed around malpractice lawsuits. All of these groups work against one another and their games are costing us a fortune.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 06/22/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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Exactly.
Health INSURANCE is the problem.

We need to either totally eliminate health care and go with a single payer health CARE option.

OR

Deregulate the insurance industry and decouple it from State monopolistic control and from employment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 06/22/2009
- DavidDial I'm a Fan of DavidDial 50 fans permalink
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The only real argument against a public option is that it will eventually drive the insurance companies out of business? Isn't that kind of like voting against law enforcement because it might drive organized crime or street gangs out of business? All of the polls show that Americans favor a public option by a substantial margin. If we don't get it this time around our next move... in 2010... is to drive anyone in congress who stood in the way out of business. And I don't care what party the represent. If they stop a move to improve the country's health care by weaseling out of a public option it is not because they love America. It is because they love money. Let them seek employment in the private sector.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 06/22/2009

The only real argument against a public option is that it will eventually drive the insurance companies out of business? Isn't that kind of like voting against law enforcement because it might drive organized crime or street gangs out of business?

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That is the quote of the day and is should be in every debate where conservatives and the corrupted attempt to stop a robust public option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 06/22/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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Except that the public option is the government paying private insurance companies as government contractors (like they do defense contractors). The insurance companies are still going to get rich at public expense and we'll have all the WFA (waste, fraud, abuse) that we see in the corrupt government procurement systems already in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 06/22/2009
- Dbos I'm a Fan of Dbos 26 fans permalink

As in corrupt contractors

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 06/22/2009
- ladyvader I'm a Fan of ladyvader 89 fans permalink
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The insurance companies should go out of business. They don't care about people's health only what the profit margin is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 06/22/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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Well that's just not going to happen under the current proposals being bandied about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/23/2009
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 234 fans permalink
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The status quo must change and in that scenario there are going to losers. The Health Insurance Industry might be loser. Yesterday I took some relatives to see the last Concord Stage Coach in our State's capital. The card to the right of the stage coach said that the coaches were very popular until the railroad came along and then the stage coach business disappeared. You'll find no stage coach factories in northern New England. C'est la vie. Something better came along and we lost. Big Whup! That's the nature of progress. Let these insurance executives go out and do something else for a living after new innovative health care reforms take place. They'll survive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 06/22/2009
- Dbos I'm a Fan of Dbos 26 fans permalink

They say govt plan would be less expensive, making it hard to compete with .If its hard to make as much in the future ,tough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 06/22/2009
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There is a world of difference between today's Republican platform (far-right neocon stuff) and today's Democratic platform (right of center).

There is NO DIFFERENCE between a bribed Republican and a bribed Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 06/22/2009

Hear! Hear!

Tennessee "Democrat" Jim Cooper is proof of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 06/22/2009

There's no money for healthcare, but there is money for the following (from Ron Paul's newsletter):

"Last week Congress passed the war supplemental appropriations bill. In an affront to all those who thought they voted for a peace candidate, the current president will be sending another $106 billion we don’t have to continue the bloodshed in Afghanistan and Iraq, without a hint of a plan to bring our troops home.

"As Americans struggle through the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, this emergency supplemental appropriations bill sends $660 million to Gaza, $555 million to Israel, $310 million to Egypt, $300 million to Jordan, and $420 million to Mexico. Some $889 million will be sent to the United Nations for so-called “peacekeeping” missions. Almost one billion dollars will be sent overseas to address the global financial crisis outside our borders. Nearly $8 billion will be spent to address a “potential pandemic flu” which could result in mandatory vaccinations for no discernable reason other than to enrich the Pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccine.

"Perhaps most outrageous is the $108 billion loan guarantee to the International Monetary Fund. These new loan guarantees will allow that destructive organization to continue spending taxpayer money to prop up corrupt leaders and promote harmful economic policies overseas."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/22/2009
- Lorianne I'm a Fan of Lorianne 60 fans permalink
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Do you have a link to that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 06/22/2009
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