Health Care Hearings Open In House Tuesday

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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and ERICA WERNER | June 23, 2009 08:31 PM EST | AP

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President Barack Obama gestures as he answers a question during a news conference at the White House in Washington, Tuesday, June 23, 2009. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday squared off with the insurance lobby over industry charges that a government health plan he backs would dismantle the employer coverage Americans have relied on for a half-century and overtake the system.

The harsh exchange came after months of polite White House photo-ops at which the administration and insurers emphasized their search for common ground. It happened just when Congress seems to be floundering in its attempt to move sweeping legislation embodying Obama's top domestic priority, although leading lawmakers say they remain confident.

"If private insurers say that the marketplace provides the best quality health care ... then why is it that the government, which they say can't run anything, suddenly is going to drive them out of business?" Obama said in response to a question at a White House news conference.

"That's not logical," he scoffed, responding to an industry warning that government competition would destabilize the employer system that now covers more than 160 million people.

Obama made his comments as officials disclosed that key Senate Democrats had whittled more than $400 billion off the cost of a health care plan that carried a $1.6 trillion price tag last week. The new cost is below $1.2 trillion, but still above the informal target lawmakers have set. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to disclose details of the closed-door talks.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., told reporters the reductions were achieved by lowering subsidies designed to make insurance affordable for those who lack it, as well as other changes.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, told reporters he was very close to his $1 trillion target, and predicted, "we'll make it." Baucus has been struggling to engineer a bipartisan compromise on Obama's health care priorities.

Late Tuesday, Baucus emerged from a meeting with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and said the administration still wanted a deal that could get Republican support. Emanuel met in the Capitol with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and other senators working on health care amid talk that Democrats may be getting ready to go it alone on health care.

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"Rahm said he still wants a bipartisan plan," Baucus told reporters after the meeting.

Obama's comments earlier in the day went to the heart of one of the most controversial issues in health care, the demand by many Democrats for a government-sponsored health insurance that could compete with private plans.

Individuals and small businesses would get to pick either the public plan or a private one through a new kind of insurance purchasing pool called an exchange. Eventually, the exchanges could be opened to large companies as well.

"The public plan, I think, is an important tool to discipline insurance companies," Obama said.

That's not what the industry thinks.

In a letter to senators released Tuesday, the two largest industry groups warned in stark terms that a government plan would take over the system.

America's Health Insurance Plans and the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association also said they don't believe it's possible to design a government plan that can compete fairly with private companies in a revamped health care market. That particular statement seemed to be aimed at lawmakers of both parties who continue to seek a compromise on the contentious issue.

"We do not believe that it is possible to create a government plan that could operate on a level playing field," said the insurers' letter, signed by AHIP head Karen Ignagni and Scott Serota, the Blue Cross CEO. " Regardless of how it is initially structured, a government plan would use its built-in advantages to take over the health insurance market."

The industry suggested a government plan would run counter to Obama's promise that Americans can keep the coverage they have.

"A government-run plan no matter how it is initially structured would dismantle employer-based coverage, significantly increase costs for those who remain in private coverage, and add additional liabilities to the federal budget," said the letter.

Nonetheless, recent media polls have found strong public support for the idea. That has emboldened liberals, who are arguing that Democrats shouldn't compromise on a government plan. But moderate Democrats in the Senate are trying to get Republican support for nonprofit co-ops as an alternative.

Without a compromise, there's probably no chance of significant Republican backing for Obama's plan to slow increases in health care costs and expand coverage to the nearly 50 million uninsured.

Conrad is the principal advocate for a suggested compromise, creation of nonprofit cooperatives to sell insurance in competition with private industry. He told reporters the latest discussions envision $3 billion to $4 billion in seed money from the government to get the co-ops into operation, and include a "national structure with state affiliates" that would be able to work across state lines.

The co-op proposal is weaker than the government option that Obama and many Democrats favor, but Conrad said the lineup in the Senate makes the president's preference unlikely to pass as part of a bipartisan bill.

"Every single Republican except one is opposed to a public option and she is opposed unless it involves a trigger," meaning it is held in reserve for situations in which a private competition doesn't materialize. He referred to Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine.

At the White House, Obama said he understood the legitimate concerns of insurers that private plans wouldn't be able to compete with "the government just printing money." The proposals lawmakers are debating would provide government money for startup costs, but then require the government plan to be financed through premiums.

Insurers say the government can protect consumers through stiffer regulation.

"If we have comprehensive reform of market rules, then it would not be necessary to have any form of public plan, including co-ops," said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for the industry.

Separately, the Republican National Committee released the text of a cable television ad criticizing ABC News over a program on Obama's health care plan that is scheduled to air Wednesday night. The party had been pressing ABC to give prominent billing to the views of leading Republicans as well.

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AP Special Correspondent David Espo contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama on Tuesday squared off with the insurance lobby over industry charges that a government health plan he backs would dismantle the employer coverage Americans h...
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Finally, I think President Obama is realizing a majority of Americans want universal health care. This will be a defining moment for his legacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 06/23/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 06/23/2009
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how will this get paid for

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 06/23/2009
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From the Gettysburg Address: " .....government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth....."

We NOW have a Governing of the People, by Corporate financed "Elected" Officials and for the most part, the government of the people, by the people, for the people, HAS perished from the earth...

Government and Business has become intertwined... Even our Supreme Court has been influenced... Had Social Security money not been poached by Gov/Biz and been invested, it would be solvent... Do we have a Health Care problem, or a Gov/Biz problem??? 70+% say we want a public option, but Gov/Biz is resisting... Gov/Biz Invaded/Occupies Iraq... The MSM is a product, or tool of Gov/Biz....

WE the People live with our Illusion and changing back to a government of the people, by the people, for the people, is possible, but seems to me not really probable...

WE like to BELIEVE WE are the "Good Guys"... Gov/Biz has Invaded/Occupied other Nations... WW2 was the last actual WAR... Gov/Biz spies without warrants... Gov/Biz still supports Torture... Gov/Biz says otherwise, but no one has been punished for violating the Law, making our 'Terrorist/Enemies" correct in some of their BELIEFS...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 06/23/2009
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Heaven help us, Obama has once again put the fox in charge of the chickens!
Max Baucus is one of the biggest recipients of insurance dollars in Washington. He is not the person who will achieve any comprehensive reform. Any "compromise" that involves Baucus, and Nelson, and Conrad, will be a sell-out. Co-ops, anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 06/23/2009
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Democrats Fleeing Obama Healthcare Plan - IFTYS
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/us_health_care_overhaul/2009/06/21/227539.html

As the estimates keep growing for his massive planned overhaul of American healthcare, even members of President Barack Obama’s own party are jumping ship. The majority Democrats no longer have the votes to push through a plan now estimated to cost $3 trillion, and Republican leaders are calling it dead in the water.

Can someone please play a chorus of "Taps"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 06/23/2009
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It's niot massive, it's timid. It leaves the whole corrupt system in place and then pays extra to patch all the holes left by the private insurers. Those holes are there for a reason -- the insurance industry has left the poor and the chronically ill and the unmeployed behind. Those are high-cost people.
Single-payer, anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 06/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

no thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 06/23/2009
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i have already removed myself and family from payroll.......and most of my highly compensated EMPs have been removed also..........total payroll numbers are lower by far ........wh­en.......a­ll of the people removed from the payroll are technically unemployed­........gr­anted we all are paid in dividends. yet unemployed, just volunteering for the corporatio­n.......mr­bo's health care can only go based on payroll dollars........if all the high dollar people are removed from payroll it is very hard to tax based on payroll..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 06/23/2009
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Thanks for showing how easy it is for employers to duck the "mandated" care legislation. Employers just have to fire themselves and their workers and work as consultants! No payroll, no payroll tax! You can't say that entrepreneurialism is dead in America! Of course, some people will call this "fraud," but whatever. An easier dodge would be to find an insurance company that offers really bad, but cheap policies, and satisfy the mandate that way.
This is why you need a single-payer program in America. Everyone pays in, everyone gets coverage. You cannot put employers in charge of a social program and expect good results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 06/23/2009
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you think anything will change? tell me the rules with which you will tax me...... i will either play with them or by them......my choice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 06/23/2009
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Wow. Now that's showing the country some love. Way to cheat America. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 06/23/2009
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i do love my capitalist country

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 06/23/2009
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I have a quick question, maybe someone can help?

Have their been any talk about health coverage for the millions of illegal aliens that are now living in the US?

I personally think this will be a huge issue but i have not heard the topic really being discussed. While i don't mind paying taxes for helping out the citizens of the US to gain health coverage, i feel that americans should not have to pay for persons in this country illegally...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 06/23/2009
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the Kennedy plan does cover illegals.......i don't know if the other one does or not

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 06/23/2009
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harriscrl3 wrote: Since 72% of Americans favor a public option I hope they are listening to these hearings so that they pay attention to what the representative is saying.
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harriscrl3, the 72% that you are using came from a NYTime article and this number was skewed purposely in favor of public opinion. So I reject your argument and obama's argument that American's want public-gov­ernment-ru­n health care.

side note: Isn't it interesting to see Tom Daschle back in the big picture??? Another lobbyist helping to push this obama fiasco (but I thought that obama wasn't going to have lobbyist in his administration?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 06/23/2009
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Daschle isn't supporting Obama's plan. His position represents the insurance industry.

Where do you get that the numbers are skewed???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 06/23/2009
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72% comes from a NYT/CBS News POLL 6/21/09. Like any poll, it's a snapshot. 72% favor a government administered health insurance plan that would compete with private insurance plans. 87% Ds favor a gov't plan. 73% Indies favor a gov't plan. Even 50% of Rs favor a gov't plan. Reject reality, if you like, but it doesn't change the reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/23/2009
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50 per cent of Republican voters support a govvernment plan, and yet not even a single Republican legislator supports it. Nice to know Democrats aren't the only people being misrepresented by their representatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 06/23/2009
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Where is the evidence that the numbers were skewed? Because it wasn't funded by the Lewin Group and lauded by their shill George Will? Your continuous refusal to acknowledge facts is annoying. Your efforts are wasted here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 06/23/2009
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This is BS. The bill is simple. Medicare starts at birth. One sentence. No premiums, no co-pays, no deductibles. OK, a sentence and a fragment.

The reason for the fragment: Premiums are paid to insure you are part of a particular pool. If everybody is in the same pool, no need for premiums. Deductibles and co-pays are cost shifting schemes to discourage seeking care. You've got to feel that you're more than $25 sick before you'll part with the co-pay. If $25 for healthcare means you don't have gas to get to work next week, what choice can you make? This is a BS requirement that just makes people stay sick and adds complexity, since it requires accounting and billing to separate out the patient fraction, which is small by definition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 06/23/2009

JULY 10, 2007 - SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT CHARGES EIGHT FORMER EXECUTIVES OF HEALTH CARE FINANCING COMPANY WITH CONSPIRACY, FRAUD, MONEY LAUNDERING

'Ladies and gentlemen, this is a case of staggering fraud,' Leo Wise said. 'It is one of the largest frauds the FBI has ever investigated.

JPMORGAN CHASE and CITI PAID GOVERNMENT SETTLED AGREEMENTS FOR FRAUD in National Century Financial Enterprises, Inc.

Remember – Columbia/HCA is a partnership of financier Richard Rainwater of Ft. Worth and lawyer Richard Scott.
Richard Rainwater was GW Bush’s partner with the Texas Rangers.

Twelve executives were already found guilty.

ONE month before GW Bush leaves office- December 2008 - The last person to stand trial was James K Happ, the former CFO of Columbia Homecare Group.
Happ, 48, is charged with conspiracy, money-laundering conspiracy and three counts of
wire fraud. Also today, a former friend of Happ's testified that, while working at National Century, Happ boasted that he never could be charged with any fraud because he didn't sign anything.
December 2008 - the largest fraud case the FBI has ever investigated-Only one acquittal-

James K Happ - the ex-CFO of Columbia Homecare Group

Jurors stated; "PROSECUTOR DID NOT DO HIS JOB"

Coincidence? Or just rampant fraud beginning with Healthcare fraud but continuing the fraud within the SEC, Bankruptcy Courts and Financial Fraud- all for the sake of profits to the rich and powerful?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 06/23/2009
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"The draft legislation, written without Republican help, would require all Americans to purchase health insurance and would put new requirements on employers, too." This is the worst part of the bill. This is Massachusetts all over, keeping insurance companies in the loop and forcing everyone to buy crappy policies that cover very, very little -- no dental, no eye care, high deductibles, high co-pays. This will kill small business -- health care should not be linked to employment status.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 06/23/2009
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Forcing people into the arms of the insurance industry doesn't either liberal or smart. Get employers out of the business of administering vital social programs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 06/23/2009
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Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 06/23/2009
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Since 72% of Americans favor a public option I hope they are listening to these hearings so that they pay attention to what the representative is saying.

Thats the problem with AMericans frankly we are LAZY we dont want to fight for something. Then we complain when we dont have it.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 06/23/2009
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Well, let me see--

Hmmm. They vote in a democratic candidate for president who says he is going to refrom healthcare--also largely financing his campaign. They elect and overwhelmingly democratic house, and large majority in the senate. The DNC was well funded by voters as well.
There are also many grassroots organizations and millions of emails, calls, and dollars of donations for true healthcare reform.

At worst, Americans are tired, desperate, and demoralized. But average people are aware and active in numbers not seen on an issue in a long, long time. This is being underreported on the major media outlets.

MY guess is that our government is fear more corrupt and inept than even our personal worst fears. Why don't you give us a break and stop blaming citizens for a failed government system!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 06/23/2009
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

See this is the problem RIGHT THERE. Like I said they dont fight. THey think that participatory democracy ends with the VOTE and it does NOT in fact thats when it BEGINS.

Maybe voting was a big deal years ago and it is a big deal for some groups who recently got the right to vote but voting is NOT the end all and be all of a democracy. There are countries where people have the right to vote that would not be classified as a democracy. Democracy is an informed citizen electing his representative and then holding them accountable. You dont just sit back and put your faith in them thats called laziness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 06/23/2009
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