Saudi Women Train To Sell Lingerie

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DONNA ABU-NASR | June 24, 2009 12:02 PM EST | AP

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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Using colorful bras donated by employees at Victoria's Secret, a group of 26 mostly Saudi women completed the first course of its kind to be offered in the kingdom _ how to fit, stock and sell underwear _ a training organizers hope will help boost a campaign to lift the ban on women selling underwear in the kingdom.

The graduates held a small ceremony at a college in the western seaport of Jiddah on Tuesday, capping 40 hours of instruction during which they learned to overcome their embarrassment at doing bra fittings, deal with customer complaints and display the stock in an appealing manner.

"It was a beautiful experience," said Faten Abdo, a 32-year-old coordinator in the offices of a lingerie company.

"The most shocking thing for me was the bra sizes," she added. "We didn't know how to get proper measurements before."

The 10-day course comes three months after a group of Saudi women launched a campaign to boycott lingerie stores until they employ women. Almost all the stores in the kingdom are staffed by men. The only exceptions are a few women-only boutiques, some of them inside popular shopping centers.

The restrictions are ironic in a country that goes to great lengths to segregate the sexes. Men and women, for instance, who are not close relatives cannot stand in the same line at fast-food outlets or even be in the same car together. Conservative clerics have strong influence on government and society, and they ban anything they believe might lead to women's emancipation, such as driving or voting.

But those pushing for saleswomen in lingerie stores say they were tired of discussing intimate details with male staff and enduring their scrutiny when they ask for a particular cup size.

Their aim is to push for implementation of a law that has been on the books since 2006 which says only female staff can be employed in women's apparel stores. The law has never been put into effect, partly due to hard-liners in the religious establishment who oppose employing women in mixed environments like malls.

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Because of the mortification many women feel ordering bras, thongs and negligees, the lack of trained sales staff and the absence of fitting rooms _ they're banned because the idea of a woman undressing in a public place is unthinkable _ many women end up with the wrong underwear size.

The training was the idea of Suhair al-Qurashi, head of the private Dar al-Hekma College, according to Reem Asaad, a finance lecturer at the college and the main force behind the boycott campaign.

"She wanted the training to be a part of the solution because the industry was complaining that there's a lack of qualified (women) in the market who can run and manage lingerie stores," said Asaad. "So we covered fitting and technical issues, we covered selling and handling customer complaints."

The trainer was an Australian woman who had heard about the boycott campaign online and then offered to give the course.

A group of Victoria's Secret employees who also heard about the campaign on Facebook sent a box filled with colorful cotton bras to be used in the training, according to Asaad.

Suzanne al-Hindi, 33, one of 26 graduates, said she and the other women were "shy at first to play-role and do fittings on each other, but we got over it."

British consul-general in Jiddah Kate Rudd said she attended Tuesday's ceremony to show support for the idea that women should be allowed to play a more active role. "It was a small step, but perhaps from this little drop there will be bigger ripples," said Rudd.

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Using colorful bras donated by employees at Victoria's Secret, a group of 26 mostly Saudi women completed the first course of its kind to be offered in the kingdom _ how t...
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where are the pictures?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 06/24/2009
- ramper I'm a Fan of ramper 15 fans permalink
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They must think we wanted to actually read the story. Silly people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 06/24/2009
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 52 fans permalink
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Yes, you want to increase your knowledge with pictures, I would imagine!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 06/24/2009
- ramper I'm a Fan of ramper 15 fans permalink
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It's a joke! Relax!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 06/24/2009
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All theocracies suck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 06/24/2009
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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KSA is a monarchy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 06/24/2009
- 4peace I'm a Fan of 4peace 10 fans permalink

A fake one at that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 06/24/2009

On the surface, sure, but anycountry whose political machine is as influenced and controlled by religious leaders as that of Saudi Arabia can be accurately called a theocracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/24/2009
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Correct. I have travelled there for work and it's shameful how backward and sexist their culture is. Women are cattle to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/24/2009
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I hate to disagree with Donna Abu-Nasr, since I am not a Saudi Arabian woman and don't know the motives of the mullahs of that nation. However, I am inclined to believe, based on my own knowledge of cultures which segregate the sexes that the issue is not so much resistance to women's emancipation as a centuries-old ingrained belief that any association between unrelated people of different sexes causes sexual tension and leads to outcomes that the mullahs find objectionable. In other words, they're less worried that women will achieve equal rights than that people will start having sex with each other without the mullahs' interference (thereby rendering the mullahs uninmportant in society).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 06/24/2009
- jeburr24 I'm a Fan of jeburr24 8 fans permalink

I can't understand why the clerics would oppose women selling underwear to other women. It is a PRO-modesty policy, much more so than forcing the women to go through men. Seems more Islamic to me, too. Then again, a fair number of men there oppose women working at all. I'm sure glad I don't live in Saudi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 06/24/2009
- raechel I'm a Fan of raechel 28 fans permalink

They're employed, they have their own money, they start expecting things like being able to travel, and speak their own minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 06/24/2009
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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How about work, drive a car, go out of the house WITHOUT a male family member.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/24/2009
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Maybe when they see the magic carpet, they won't be interested it Omar's tent pole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 06/24/2009
- Truye I'm a Fan of Truye 2 fans permalink

Wow... I am so shocked at how many people are completely non-supportive of women taking even a little for themselves. This is a HUGE deal for them and essential for women's rights. They have to take little steps or they could be killed. I seem to remember in the 60's in our women's lib. movement that their was a lot of talk about underwear as well. It is a part of the female identity and it is wonderful that these women are taking back something that men have been able to humiliate them with.

And show some respect and support for the women of Saudi Arabia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 06/24/2009
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 134 fans permalink
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Pictures please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 06/24/2009
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Alright, welcome to the third century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 06/24/2009
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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Gonna party like it's 199!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/24/2009

perhaps they should work on fighting for their voting rights before they sell underwear

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 06/24/2009
- dcarn2 I'm a Fan of dcarn2 3 fans permalink

That's just absurd....lol or who'd have thunk it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 06/24/2009
- peterg76 I'm a Fan of peterg76 34 fans permalink
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I imagine both rights seem pretty important when they're taken away from you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 06/24/2009
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is the white house going to support that right , I wonder ?? the Last 2 weeks the saudi Media has been totally Insane criticizing the Iranian Elections and the right of Demonstrating , I justcould not believe their Guts . seriously .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 06/24/2009

that has more to do with the Sunni/Shia conflict than Saudi Arabia actaully caring about the election

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 06/24/2009

where are the pics!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 06/24/2009
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I liked the photo it looks to me like clear duct tape with printing cool.
But when i skipped down to read the last paragraph i was taken aback.

"It was a small step, but perhaps from this little drop there will be bigger ripples," said Rudd.

I thought Rudd was commenting on bigger nipples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 06/24/2009
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

What's with the suggestive picture to this story?
They are talking about bras and briefs.

Sometime this site gets too close to the tabloid type of yellow journalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 06/24/2009

sometimes?

try most of it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/24/2009
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produced and censored by FOX.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 06/24/2009
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Let's not forget, unlike Iran, Saudi Women are not allowed to vote, they are objects to be owned.

Essentially, they are slaves, but you don't hear the clammer from republicans or democrats or the media about that, or funding the CIA to destabilize the country like we do with Iran.

The deals for oil and debt money trumps all for both parties that keep this monarchical dictatorship in power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 06/24/2009
- Huffyfan I'm a Fan of Huffyfan 11 fans permalink
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Thank YOU .
Saudi can give money and invest here and there to close some mouths every easily .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 06/24/2009
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Saudi Arabia needs to emerge from the middle ages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 06/24/2009
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Are you kidding? The Kingdom wants to go BACK to the middle ages...

... but not on a camel, but in a Mercedes, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 06/24/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 247 fans permalink
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I agree, but isn't this a terrific first step???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 06/24/2009
- SlithyTove I'm a Fan of SlithyTove 11 fans permalink

The best part was the fact that the British consul in Jiddah is a woman.

I think every other nation should nominate women as ambassadors to Riyadh, who pointedly exercise their rights to dress as they please and not wear a headscarf (the yin to the yang of the burqa controversy in France)...oh, and to build synagogues, churches and temples for all the expatriates from their countries who do all the real work that keeps that kingdom built on sand and oil functioning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/24/2009
- kors8858 I'm a Fan of kors8858 2 fans permalink
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Saudi Arabia helps the terrorist efforts around the world. Sell all the bras and underwear you want, there's still blood on the hands of the Saudi's. What a terrible red herring.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 06/24/2009
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kors8858, I kind of agree with you. I see a terrorist plot in the making here but this time organized by CIA against the Saudis. Those bras and underwear they are selling could be so shocking to some people, that they could have a heart attack and die. No blood would be necessary. Those women sellers are not innocent. They’re all CIA secret agents!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 06/24/2009
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