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SANDY COHEN | 06/24/09 09:23 PM | AP

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In this film publicity image released by Paramount Pictures, twin robots, Skids, left, and Mudflap are shown in a scene from, "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. (AP Photo/Paramount Pictures)

LOS ANGELES — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy characters were racial caricatures. Skids and Mudflap, twin robots disguised as compact hatchbacks, constantly brawl and bicker in rap-inspired street slang. They're forced to acknowledge that they can't read. One has a gold tooth.

As good guys, they fight alongside the Autobots and are intended to provide comic relief. But their traits raise the specter of stereotypes most notably seen when Jar Jar Binks, the clumsy, broken-English speaking alien from "Star Wars: Episode I _ The Phantom Menace," was criticized as a caricature.

One fan called the Transformers twins "Jar Jar Bots" in a blog post online.

Todd Herrold, who watched the movie in New York City, called the characters "outrageous."

"It's one thing when robot cars are racial stereotypes," he said, "but the movie also had a bucktoothed black guy who is briefly in one scene who's also a stereotype."

"They're like the fools," said 18-year-old Nicholas Govede, also of New York City. "The comic relief in a degrading way."

Not all fans were offended. Twin brothers Jason and William Garcia, 18, who saw the movie in Miami, said they related to the characters _ not their illiteracy, but their bickering.

"They were hilarious," Jason said. "Every movie has their standout character, and I think they were the ones for this movie."

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In Atlanta, Rico Lawson said people were reading too much into the characters. "It was actually funny," said Lawson, 25, who saw the movie with his girlfriend in Atlanta.

That was the aim, director Michael Bay said in an interview.

"It's done in fun," he said. "I don't know if it's stereotypes _ they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it."

Bay said the twins' parts "were kind of written but not really written, so the voice actors is when we started to really kind of come up with their characters."

Actor Reno Wilson, who is black, voices Mudflap. Tom Kenny, the white actor behind SpongeBob SquarePants, voices Skids.

Wilson said Wednesday that he never imagined viewers might consider the twins to be racial caricatures. When he took the role, he was told that the alien robots learned about human culture through the Web and that the twins were "wannabe gangster types."

"It's an alien who uploaded information from the Internet and put together the conglomeration and formed this cadence, way of speaking and body language that was accumulated over X amount of years of information and that's what came out," the 40-year-old actor said. "If he had uploaded country music, he would have come out like that."

It's not fair to assume the characters are black, he said.

"It could easily be a Transformer that uploaded Kevin Federline data," Wilson said. "They were just like posers to me."

Kenny did not respond to an interview request Wednesday.

"I purely did it for kids," the director said. "Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them."

Screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they followed Bay's lead in creating the twins. Still, the characters aren't integral to the story, and when the action gets serious, they disappear entirely, notes Tasha Robinson, associate entertainment editor at The Onion.

"They don't really have any positive effect on the film," she said. "They only exist to talk in bad ebonics, beat each other up and talk about how stupid each other is."

Hollywood has a track record of using negative stereotypes of black characters for comic relief, said Todd Boyd, a professor of popular culture at the University of Southern California's School of Cinematic Arts, who has not seen the "Transformers" sequel.

"There's a history of people getting laughs at the expense of African-Americans and African-American culture," Boyd said. "These images are not completely divorced from history even though it's a new movie and even though they're robots and not humans."

American cinema also has a tendency to deal with race indirectly, said Allyson Nadia Field, an assistant professor of cinema and media studies at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"There's a persistent dehumanization of African-Americans throughout Hollywood that displaces issues of race onto non-human entities," said Field, who also hasn't seen the film. "It's not about skin color or robot color. It's about how their actions and language are coded racially."

If these characters weren't animated and instead played by real black actors, "then you might have to admit that it's racist," Robinson said. "But stick it into a robot's mouth, and it's just a robot, it's OK."

But if they're alien robots, she continued, "why do they talk like bad black stereotypes?"

Bay brushes off any whiff of controversy.

"Listen, you're going to have your naysayers on anything," he said. "It's like is everything going to be melba toast? It takes all forms and shapes and sizes."

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Associated Press writers Damian Grass in Miami, Ginny Byrne in New York City and Jonathan Landrum Jr. in Atlanta contributed to this report.

LOS ANGELES — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy chara...
LOS ANGELES — Harmless comic characters or racist robots? The buzz over the summer blockbuster "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" only grew Wednesday as some said two jive-talking Chevy chara...
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Honestly, as a EU, I was really offended by the caucasians that played characters who were stupid and evil. It is simply unacceptable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/24/2009
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You are not intelligent enough to join the conversation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 06/24/2009
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And who pray tell played the "heroes"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 06/24/2009

I agree with a lot of the posters here that written-in stereotyped parts are bad and pervasive.

What I wonder, though, is why are people not decrying the (very probably) black voice-actors who chose to accept the specious part. Isn't minstrelsy as much a product of the actors as the script?

It seems that most of white America's interaction with black culture is through rap music, professional athletes, and things they see on TV and in the movies. In many of those instances the people shown help along the stereotype, rather than break them. If someone's only understanding of black people comes through Kobe and Kanye, what's there to help them know about Nina Simone or Toni Morrison?

If you want people to stop stereotyping a group of people it helps to promote representatives that don't perpetuate those stereotypes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 06/24/2009
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How do Kobe and Kanye help to perpetuate stereotypes? What stereotypical behaviors have they engaged in, specifically?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/24/2009

You have a point for sure. Kobe and Kanye weren't the best examples there as far as obvious stereotypical behavior. I should have picked more blatant examples, perhaps like Snoop, maybe?

I think I went on a bit of a tangent and didn't bring it back to the point I was trying to make, which is that if no black actors or actresses (or any other ethnicity that have a tendency to be stereotyped) take the offensive parts offered, it would cut down on the amount of offensive stereotypes portrayed, because there would be no one to play the parts.

It seems that could be a possible solution to the problem, or at least a more effective way of protesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 06/24/2009
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But it doesn't exactly help when the white MSM constantly portrays black men as criminals or thugs, black women as poor "welfare queens" (thank you Reagan and Bush Sr.,I highly appreciate that one as a young middle class black woman), and blacks in general as poor, lazy, and foolish. No matter how much we try to dissuade the nasty stereotypes, the MSM will always have a far greater reach than we do, especially since it's controlled by the majority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/24/2009
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And another thought: Since whites are the ones who stereotype in the first place, I think they should be taking a more active role to properly educate themselves instead of relying on minorities to enlighten them. Why is it a knee jerk reaction for white America to see just ONE image of a non-white person and take that as a description of the whole group? Start looking at the source of the problem first, then we might get somewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 06/24/2009
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Aren't you stereotyping whites?

We are, ultimately, arguing about a bad movie, but...

Provide examples of whites having "a knee jerk reaction for white America to see just ONE image of a non-white person and take that as a description of the whole group"

I hate defending Bay, cuz he's awful and he ruined Transformers, but...

Tyrese Gibson was in the first movie and probably the second, was he stereotypical in any way?

Is it just TOTALLY wrong to show any portrayal of minorities that is not positive?

I saw the comment about how stereotypical Bernie Mac and the fat guy were in the first one. Bernie Mac, yes, but honestly..­.was he different than ANY other character Bernie Mac ever played? BTW, RIP Bernie Mac. And the fat guy's character was lame, but I don't think it was racist, it could have just as easily been a lame fat white guy.

I don't know if anyone saw the first movie, but ALL of the characters were lame and shallow and stereotypi­cal...it was a sucky movie. I was hoping, but this one sounds even worse.

And MOST IMPORTANT.­...Optimus Prime does NOT have lips.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 06/24/2009
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“until the lions have their own historian…the tale of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.”

Things would be different if we CONTROLLED our own media images. But...I understand the big picture and the GAME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 06/24/2009
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They are robots.

By claiming these two are black, based on poor English, etc. does that mean the others are "white"? If so, is that because you stereotype whites as having good English?

Is Optimus Prime "white"? If so, why? Why couldn't Prime be "black"?

What would you say if white human characters behaved the same way? Would it be racist, if so, against whom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/24/2009
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I don't know, ask Al Jolson?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/24/2009
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In the first Transformer (2007) I thought that autobot Jazz who was played by Darius McCrary (Family Matter) was a little sterotypical when the first word out his mouth was "What's up you b....ches.­" When the character Sam asked "Where did you learn that type of language?" I thought then it was very shady. I know this is fiction but kids are into these movies and Bay needs to be careful what images he's trying to protray. Sounds like Bay needs to expose himself to more to other cultures than his own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/24/2009
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Hmm, I don't have time to read all the comments here but I wanted to say two things: Although I haven't seen the movie (and won't) my friend is a hardcore transformers fan and he saw it today. The first thing he said upon getting back was "I think these two brothers were kinda racist..." He said it was pretty blatant. So I wasn't surprised to log on here and find this.

The second thing I wanted to say was in context of these 80's cartoon remakes and stereotypes. I love my 80's stuff, but re-watching them can be painful as far as the racial or sexual caricatures go. Transformers was horrible at being a 'boys club' and that's why I didn't care for it. G.I. Joe was downright progressive for females, but Roadblock was totally racism (black character always speaking in rhyme), and so was it's other racial caricatures (Spirit, Quick Kick). Transformers had Jazz and Blaster, which were pretty bad racial stereotypes.

I am not surprised by Bay, he's lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/24/2009
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Good post. My two oldest kids were watching the original Johnny Quest cartoon (from the 60's or 70's) and I was amazed by the rac.ist portrayals. I didn't make them turn it off, but my wife and I had a conversation with them about it. They decided on their own to stop watching it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/24/2009
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"It's for the kids," Bay says. So, apparently, kids love illiterate idiots who just happen to talk just like African Americans? If you think kids won't make the connection, consult anyone with more than two years of parenting experience; children notice and absorb almost every behavior they see, they're like little social sponges. They will make the connection.

As the reviewers noted, this likely comes from the same place as Jar Jar Binks; some director remembers laughing at a step and fetchit character from movies when he was a kid (Amos and Andy in Lucas' case, bad 70's comedies in Bay's) and thinks he can make it acceptable it by sticking the same stereotype inside an imaginary creature. But you're basically saying "look kids, here's a race that is inherently stupid and foolish. Listen to how they talk. Does that remind you of anything, hmmmm?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/24/2009
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co-signing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/24/2009
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You got it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/24/2009
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As an AA so as to avoid being insulted instead of taking your children to see this dribble rent them the movie Sankofa by Haile Gerima. It will be an eye opening and educational experience. Some others to see - Daughters of the Dust, Quilombo and Moolade(?spelling).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/24/2009
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I looooooooooove those movies. I saw "Daughters of the Dust" at the DuSable Museum of African American History. Good recommendation. I love movies that show OUR images in a positive, introspective and educational light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 06/24/2009
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Give me a break!!! Get real people...y­ou are more concerned about fictional car-bots and how they make you feel....wa­hhhh... than you are about real, actual news. Ohhh, a stereotype!!! Scary!

I have a great idea! How about from now on, we take out allllllll personality from all characters in all movies, live, drawn, CGI, whatever, that way, no one can m-itch and b-oan. Sheesh! We should all start talking monotone as well. Ohh, maybe wear only one color. Same houses, cars, thoughts..­.errr..no thoughts. While we are at it, perhaps a totalitarian regime would work best for this sort of thing.

Hahaha, if robots end up taking over and start killing people, I think that the way they talk will be the last concern of mine!! Hahaha LO-F-L

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/24/2009
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Stupidest post of the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/24/2009

Amen brother but more than anything -- it's proof positive that Paramount or sorry-$#% Hasbro (they and Spielberg need to be put through the PR ringer---they live off African American profits-- and they do this?? could you begin to imagine them doing this to a Jewish or Japanese caricature?) are working overboard on message boards to try and claim this is not a big deal--everyone I know white, black and latino were appalled last night---I go on messageboards on various sites and there is the consistent argument with people like "KIsha" claiming that this does not represent her but the ignorant blacks who do this--sounds like an intern at those companies working overtime to save their weekend box-office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/24/2009
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I'm so proud of my people speaking up about images that are degrading and injurious to our children. If we don't like the films and cinematography that show b-l-a-c-k-s in a negative light, let's create our own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 06/24/2009

Sad and disturbed are the white or non-African Americans who have the balls to hop on anonymously and tell us we're whining. So, if you're mother got raped--you would claim that she's whining since you didn't experience it? If you're father didn't get a job you'd claim it was the hispanic that got it from him unfairly?

I love how people who are not black profess to tell black people to get a life about racism!!

Here's a thought--get off your butt and add to the discussion with something relevant. Does your mother or wife or sister deserve your sympathy and support if they claim to have been harassed or worse yet discriminated against?? I mean, I assume you're not a woman given the truly urban name of 'Kyle Anderson' but what gives you the right to question others.

I saw the movie last night and it's amazing---the robots had bug eyes, huge lips (the red one's lips were ridiculous--why would a 'robot' need lips that big???), a gold tooth and so on. You truly expect me to believe that you DIDN'T SEE RACISM? For me to believe that, I'd have to accept the premise you are stupid or lying? Which one would you and your ilk like to fess up to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/24/2009
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"For me to believe that, I'd have to accept the premise you are stupid or lying? Which one would you and your ilk like to fess up to?"

I vote for both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 06/24/2009

Whining because the music you likely listen to is over riding with sexism on a level that this movie does not approach racially. And i doubt you where outraged by the movie Cars and the racial stereotype of the redneck tow truck.

If you are not whining you would be protesting outside every major rap studio in america. But your not, thus you are whining.

Like a broken record.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 06/24/2009
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Wow.....fu­nny how those 'stereotypes' came to light a few weeks ago at a Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. Do I need to remind you how well that ended?

It's people like YOU, Kyle, that frighten me the most.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 06/24/2009
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Apologist for racism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 06/24/2009
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awwwwww!

and i was really hoping that TRANSFORMERS would use their worldwide platform to be a subtle and insightful social commentary that challenged our notions of self in this modern world!

i am taken aback by this development.

well, maybe there's some good explosions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/24/2009
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Very funny, and nice dismissal. Answer these simple questions, please:

Why does Hollywood find it so difficult to not stereotype minorities, regardless of the genre of the film in question?
The white directors/­screenwrit­ers/etc. have no trouble casting whites in roles that don't place gross generalizations, so WHY must they make every black role with characteristics of "ghetto, thug, street, attitude problem" ? Why do Hispanics automatically have an accent, look "slu tty", etc.? Why are Asians always portrayed as foreigners or martial arts experts?

Have any good answers yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/24/2009
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Another excellent post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/24/2009
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Hollywood doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 06/24/2009
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Why does Hollywood have to make all Christians idiot judgemental fundamentalists?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/24/2009

Are you saying that none of the other characters in the movie were minorities? I saw black actors portrayed as heroic and loyal in the movie. While I dont know who the voice actors were who portrayed the rest of the robots, I have no reason to believe that some of them werent black, latino, caucasian or any other ethnic group.
How about the white guys that were bad/stupid. Should I profess to be offended by that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/24/2009
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Thanks to both of you. And I see that none of the dismissive commenters has been able to give a good answer yet. Ah well, didn't think they'd be able to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 06/24/2009
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Michael Bay enjoyed a privileged white suburban upbringing. His sensibility is untouched by nuance and I expect he's never gone a day in his life without a meal, somewhere to live, or money., nor any experience of being discriminated against. His use of these caricatures is offensive. The portrayal of minority characters in his films is tokenism (Pearl Harbor) or minstrelsy (T2 and so on). This guy is the epitome of white exploitation of African Americans for profit, and no one should patronize his junk movies.

And while we're at it, let's throw in all those white singers on American Idol who imitate the styles and aesthetic of original African American artists like they have some kind of cultural claim to them.

They don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/24/2009
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Why stop at American Idol?

What about Led Zeppelin..­The Beatles, The Who et al who for decades championed themselves as the progenitors of Rock'n'Roll despite the obvious underpinnings of Chuck Berry and Muddy Waters to name but two.

American pop culture is essentially Black and appropriated by those who made (and are making) millions from it.

I'm surprised that anybody is surprised that yet another artist (Director Michael Bay - and I use that term loosely) has seen fit to take his bucket to the well....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 06/24/2009
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Haven't British rockers always given props to Berry, Waters and the other black artists who were the originators of rock and roll?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 06/24/2009
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Granted. But I'm talking about white singers who employ styles ripped off from African American gospel music, via blues, r&b, etc. "White soul" is a contradiction in terms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 06/24/2009
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No surprise. Hollywood is filled with a bunch of white directors, screenwriters, etc. that love to stereotype everyone except people of their own skin color.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 06/24/2009
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Yep. They roots of white supremacy run deep throughout american popular culture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 06/24/2009
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The psychology of white dominance is global and infiltrates every aspect of life through labor, law, education, politics, religion, finance, entertainment, sex and war.

We know the drill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 06/24/2009

Yeah there is never redneck stereotypes. Or Italians, Or Irish, or Russian gansters. Or Jewish.
You know their is and I could list many, many examples of mivies nad characters htat fit sterotypes of those people. But you might still deny reality.

Your lying to yourself ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 06/24/2009
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How does it impact THEIR livelihood?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 06/24/2009
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milo h minderbinder expectorates: "You're obviously very confused. What is offensive about a stereotype is giving the impression that ALL people of that race are the same way. You don't seem to understand that. If a movie only has one black character and that character is obviously uneducated, particularly when there are lots of movies that do that, that is perpetuating a stereotype. If a movie has ten black characters and only ONE of them is portrayed as uneducated, that's not perpetuating the stereotype. The comparison to murder is ridiculous, it's not remotely comparable­."

And you're obviously intellectually dishonest. The AUDIENCE for this film is primarily white, teenage suburban boys, whose experience of African American culture is limited to rap, hip hop. and caricatures like the ones in this movie. They don't make your fine distinctions.

"If a movie has ten black characters and only ONE of them is portrayed as uneducated, that's not perpetuating the stereotype­." So the nine Huxtables cancel out the one minstrel? So tell me, in Shrek and Mulan, where were the positive African American voices to balance Eddie Murphy's minstrel show?

As for the murder comparison, you just did it again with that nonsense about 1 in 10 is not ra. cist. 1 in a hundred could be racist -- if it's ra. cist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 06/24/2009

If you care to, do something small.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=104525917568

Pass it on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/24/2009
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Expectorates. LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/24/2009
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Thanks to both of you, and I mean it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 06/24/2009
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Please excuse my typos. I'm posting with a 5 year old on my lap and a puppy on my feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 06/24/2009
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Just keep posting. Maybe you'll get something through their thick heads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/24/2009
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One can dream. The divisiveness between blacks and whites in this country will probably never cease to exist until something bigger and more relevant comes along. This "something" will ultimately force us to confront and acknowledge our shared humanity. Until then, the "them vs. us" syndrome will continue as strong as ever.

dct1999: I'm an instant fan since reading your posts on this board, but I have to wonder why you even try.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 06/24/2009

All the bad Transformers are spoken by those of European descent. Bay must hate people fro Europe. It is trying to paint them as evil.

/sarcasm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 06/24/2009
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This is not surprising at all for many African-Americans. After seeing the first one where the Black characters were also stereotypical why would you expect "hollyweird" (Gil Scott Heron term) to be any more respectful of our community. The thing I always advocate for the AA community to do is simply stop supporting these movies that disrespect our culture, heritage and even humanity. It would behoove us to stop supporting shuckin and jivin movies put out by our own filmakers and directors as well. We have to demand better and more intelligent telling of our stories and history from our own directors since no one else will do it but ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 06/24/2009
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Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 06/24/2009
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Here here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/24/2009
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Co-sign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 06/24/2009
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Yeah - to be honest I'd rather watch this than anything by Tyler Perry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/24/2009
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Just curious are you familiar with an underground hip hop group named binary star?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 06/24/2009
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Thank you! I've stopped seeing the majority of "Hollyweird" films a long time ago. Partially because they're so awful, and partially due to the industry insiders' love of stereotyping and other offensive rac ial ridicules of minorities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/24/2009
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Thank you to all of you.

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