West Bank: Migrants Account For A Third Of Settler Population Growth

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AMY TEIBEL | 06/24/09 09:22 AM | AP

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Palestinian workers walk next to a building at a construction site in the West Bank Jewish settlement of Maaleh Adumim, near Jerusalem, Monday, June 22, 2009. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in defying U.S. pressure to freeze construction in West Bank settlements, says new homes must go up to accommodate settlers' growing families. But some 40 percent of the population growth in settlements came from people who moved there and not from growing families, according to the government's latest statistics. In the meantime, more than 5,000 new apartments have been completed over the past three years, Central Bureau of Statistics figures show. (AP Photo/Dan Balilty)

MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israelis moving to the West Bank accounted for more than a third of settler population growth in recent years, government statistics show, undercutting Israel's argument that it is continuing settlement construction only to accommodate growing families already living there.

The so-called "natural growth" rationale for building on land the Palestinians claim for a future state has vaulted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu into an unusually vocal and public clash with the Obama administration, which has come out strong against continued settlement expansion.

Settlement construction had been expected to be the focus of a meeting in Paris on Thursday between Netanyahu and America's top Mideast envoy, George Mitchell, a longtime settlement critic. But the meeting was abruptly postponed, and an Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said Israel sought more time to iron out differences with the U.S. administration, including over settlements.

Opponents say the government invokes "natural growth" as a cover to build thousands of houses across the West Bank, including hundreds that Palestinian laborers are building in Maaleh Adumim, a major settlement outside Jerusalem.

"The Israelis are playing a game of deception by what they call natural growth," said Yasser Abed Rabbo, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Data from Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics supports that argument, showing that in 2007, 36 percent of all new settlers had moved from Israel or abroad.

More recent data, including for the period since Netanyahu's government took office in March, is not yet available, but there are few reasons to think Israel has reversed the trend, said Hagit Ofran, a settlement expert for Peace Now, a settlement watchdog group.

Amid the influx of people drawn to cheaper housing in settlements, construction has continued _ more than 5,500 new apartments have been completed over the past three years in the West Bank, bureau figures show.

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Settlements are a major obstacle to peacemaking because Israel has used them to extend its de facto boundaries into the West Bank and to cement its claim on east Jerusalem. The Palestinians claim both territories, captured by Israel in 1967, for a future state, along with the Gaza Strip, and want the Jewish construction there to stop.

Under the 2003 U.S.-backed road map peace plan, Israel promised to halt all settlement construction, including for natural growth. But the building has gone on.

Israel argues that growing families need bigger apartments and that grown children, raising their own families, should be allowed to live near their parents.

Jerusalem-born Yaffa Shkibai, who has lived in Maaleh Adumim for 26 of her 50 years, has bought apartments for each of her four children here.

"They should continue building and not be afraid of the U.S.," she said. "If we bend, they'll kick us out of here."

The United States is among those monitoring settlement activity. The U.S. Consulate in Jerusalem said its officials regularly visit settlements and take photographs. A foreman at one construction project in Maaleh Adumim said Monday that U.S. officials had been there recently, walking around and taking pictures.

Last week, Netanyahu grudgingly yielded to President Barack Obama's demand that Israel endorse Palestinian independence, albeit shackled by a series of conditions. But he flatly resisted Obama's pressure for a settlement freeze.

"We have no intention of building new settlements or of expropriating additional land for existing settlements," Netanyahu said in a major policy speech last week. "But there is a need to enable the residents to live normal lives, to allow mothers and fathers to raise their children like families elsewhere."

Netanyahu pointedly dropped the politically charged "natural growth" phrase for "normal lives."

But the linguistic slight of hand doesn't mask the fact that migration _ and not just the growth of families _ is a major factor in settler population growth.

Migration from Israel and abroad accounted for 5,300 of the 14,500 new settlers in 2007, the last year for which bureau data are available.

And 2007 wasn't a random blip. Migration accounted for between a third and half of the population growth in each year between 1999 and 2007, save 2005, when numbers were skewed by Israel's withdrawal of 8,500 settlers from the Gaza Strip.

Nearly 300,000 Israelis currently live in the West Bank and 180,000 in east Jerusalem, whose annexation by Israel in 1967 is not internationally recognized. That's more than double from 116,300 at the end of 1993, the year Israel and the Palestinians signed their landmark accord.

Between 2006 and 2008 _ roughly the tenure of the previous government _ Israel completed building 5,503 apartments in the West Bank and began building 5,125, the statistics bureau said.

Maaleh Adumim, home to more than 35,000 settlers, continues to be one of the biggest magnets for migrants.

At the settlement's northeastern edge, overlooking the Judean desert, rumbling front-end loaders were busy scooping up mounds of dirt and stones at a new neighborhood that has been going up for the past 2 1/2 years. Bricks, steel rods and coils of rubber tubing were piled up outside the unfinished homes, which Palestinian laborers were building.

Yossi Navon, the foreman who spoke of the Embassy personnel, said apartments were going for about half of what a comparable apartment in Jerusalem would fetch.

"I think Bibi said it right," Navon said, referring to Netanyahu by his nickname. "Natural growth has to continue."

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Associated Press writer Joseph Marks contributed to this report.

MAALEH ADUMIM, West Bank — Israelis moving to the West Bank accounted for more than a third of settler population growth in recent years, government statistics show, undercutting Israel's argume...
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is this thing on

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 06/27/2009
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There is rising anti-semitism in all parts of the world. People who are naturally inclined to hate Jews now have a legitimate excuse to cover their racism because of the mistreatment of the Palestinians. They are on the road to being a pariah state, even with our backing. If Hamas ever learns that the way to beat Israel is not through violence, but through peaceful demonstrations, it will all be over for Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 06/25/2009
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There is never a legitimate excuse for anti-Semitism. Never.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 06/26/2009
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But apparently there is /always/ an excuse for overusing that label to the poiint that it becomes trivial. I'm sure the James Von Brauns and the Timothy McVeighs of the world are happy that you're willing to make it that much harder to identify them when you overtax that term to the point that it becomes meaningless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 06/26/2009
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"But there is a need to enable the residents to live normal lives, to allow mothers and fathers to raise their children like families elsewhere." - apparently the Palestinians do not have any need for normal lives so their needs and rights may be discounted by the occupying power. If I didn't know better that Israel was not an apartheid state, I would say that these are the actions of an apartheid state or at least one that took careful notes from the former all white government of South Africa.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 06/25/2009
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It is impossible to claim Israel is an apartheid state without ignoring the definition of the term and the apllication of the term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 06/25/2009
- arle I'm a Fan of arle 28 fans permalink

"How I experienced a deja vu when I saw a security check point which Palestinians had
to negotiate most of their lives that I was reminded so painfully of the same checkpoints in apartheid South Africa....”

Archbishop Desmond Tutu
http://www.fosna.org/content/keynote-address-archbishop-desmond-tutu-0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 06/25/2009

apartheid - any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.

I suppose that the big wall, checkpoints, Israeli only roads and general second class treatment of the Palestinians doesn't qualify as separation in your book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 06/25/2009
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I think this definition from Dictionary.com fits Israel's attitudes and policies with regard to Palestinians very well. Great fear can bring out great cruelty.

Apartheid
–noun
1. (in the Republic of South Africa) a rigid policy of segregation of the nonwhite population.
2. any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.
Origin:
1945–50; < Afrik, equiv. to apart apart + -heid -hood

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 06/25/2009

"Israel is not a nice country. It is a powerful police state founded on pathological paranoia with only a veneer of civility, carefully crafted and maintained for the consumption of those who still believe in the myth of Israeli democracy.

Mainstream Israelis live in a fictional bubble that separates them from reality. If there is a democracy there, only this select group enjoys it -- just like the conformist white population in old South Africa.

Supporting Israel now is the same as claiming that South Africa under apartheid was an acceptable democracy. It also means abandoning the Palestinians, just like the world abandoned black South Africans (and white dissidents) for 45 long years"

Avigail Abarbanel,

http://peoplesgeography.com/2007/07/14/avigail-abarbanel-on-the-israeli-police-state/,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 06/26/2009
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It is Israel's immediate self interest to bend over backwards to make peace. Something they have pretended to do on ocassion, but have never been serious about.

We can all see the pendulum starting to swing away from them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 06/24/2009
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Israel's best interest is best served by a peace plan that does not guarantee the destruction of the Jewish state. To date the Arabs have not offered or supported a workable peace plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/25/2009
- arle I'm a Fan of arle 28 fans permalink

You know every country in the world /except/ Israel is perfectly capable of existing within its internationally recognized borders without being destroyed. Is there some quality of the nation of Israel that makes it too unstable or weak that it cannot exist unless its borders are constantly expanding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 06/25/2009

Israelis are just moving from one part of the land won by their armies in wars against arab aggression to another part of the land won by their military in wars against arab aggression. Like Americans moving from Dallas to San Diego!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 06/24/2009
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What a horrible comparison!!! Israel-Is-­Europe-Ann­ex, there is no level you won't drop to in making an argument for the greater Israel. God help all Jews from people like you giving them a bad name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 06/24/2009

Israel is Palestine!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 06/25/2009
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Since the unilateral "creation" of the state, Israeli prime ministers have unanimously and openly approved the expansion of it's borders. This began in 1948 with 700,000 Palestinians being driven from their homes and their land. It moved to an even more aggressive phase with the Israeli invasion of Sinai, East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza in 1967 and the beginning of the settlement movement also endorsed by the government. America and the West were complicit in all of this. Who could not have seen this systematic theft of Palestinian land?

The time has come to reverse this tragic, brutal and illegal oppression of Palestinians. I would like to see a return to the exact terms of the 1948 declaration. Why should 3 million Palestinians refugees be disenfranchised? Jerusalem has always been an international city and should remain so without individual sovereignty. Without a fully independent and autonomous Palestinian state there will never be peace in the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 06/24/2009
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In 1947 Arabs living in Palestine would have self-identified as Syrian, not Palestinian. The number of Arabs who left their homes due to force from Israelis is far less than the figure provided here, 700,000 is far too high. Plus, a great number of Arabs left their homes and villages on orders from the Arab leadership.
In 1967 Egypt fired the first shots during the illegal closing of the Straits of Tiran, which was an act of war. This act of war was followed by the combined armies of a numbr of Arab nations massing over 100,000 troops on the Israeli border, also an act of war. Israel pushed the Egyptians off the Sinai and took the West Bank and Jerusalem from the Jordanians. Israel did not start the war and advances into Arab held land was not an invasion, but a response to an Arab attack.
From 1948 to 1967 Jordan controlled the holiest sites of Jerusalem and would not allow Jews to worship. Egypt controlled Gaza for the same period. Neither Arab nation saw fit to create a Palestinian homeland.
Your demand to respect the 1948 peace agreement has a major flaw. Israel did not expand its borders during an imperialistic war, but as a response to Arab adventurism. There was no peace prior to 1967 and a return to the pre-67 borders will not guarantee peace.
Your posting, in other words, is just wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 06/24/2009
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Propaganda has now been taught for generations as fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/24/2009
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New data suggests:

The number of Plaestinian refugee's has been revised upwards to 7.6 million now.

There are also 42 million refugee's of all kinds...worldwide.

http://www.unhcr.org/4a3b98706.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 06/24/2009
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I went to the link and it did not give the figure you have used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/25/2009
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A third now. a half latter. And so on. "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return." – David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948. The Policy of zionism is alive and well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 06/24/2009
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Too right.
And when asked by the UN - just before the state of Israel was made official - if they - the zionists - had expansion deeper into Palestine on their agenda they were mortifed. As if?
And they've been lying ever since their ideological homeland was created.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 06/24/2009

Of course this is not what he told the UN when he agreed to allow for their return as a conditlion (Israel is the only state in the world that was allowed into the UN on a conditional basis) of Israel being admitted to the UN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 06/25/2009
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I think they should move the Israelis out of the settlements and leave the housing for the Palestinians whose homes were bombed away in January. And of course all those dangerous check points between Palestinian villages would go and there will be a need for a really big wall---not so much for safety from the Palestinians, but to keep the Israelis from trying to steal the land again. For a people who have suffered so much, they certainly are a greedy bunch who are willing to inflict suffering on others. My feelings about Israel have undergone a major change in the past few years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 06/24/2009
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Being open to facts can have that effect.
It happened to me too.
It is happening to Jews all over the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/24/2009
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Netanyahu is bad for Israel and right now Israel is bad for me. I love my religion, I love my family that live there, but I won't go, I won't give the gov't any shekels, and I won't put myself in a place any more dangerous than downtown Miami or DC. We do not have car bombs going off monthly, yet.......­..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 06/24/2009
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Religion and nationality are a toxic mix. Always have been and always will. This is a basic tenant of Judaism. Read the Torah. Zionism is a social/political movement that has nothing to do with Judaism other than using it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 06/24/2009
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The Israelis will have to answer to their God. He is NOT pleased!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 06/24/2009
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And you know G*d is displeased how?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 06/24/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 57 fans permalink

He made Benny and Avi the leaders of Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 06/24/2009
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Thieves, this is the word for those people that steal the land, thieves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 06/24/2009
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Israel calls on Palestinians to recognize Israel. However, Israel is a country that has never declared its borders. This is intentional, as it allows Israeli settlers to confiscate more and more land on the West Bank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 06/24/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Let's see, I have a map of Israel I was given while serving in the IDF. Guess what, it shows the borders of Israel.
Just so you'll know, Israel has given back the vast majority of the land taken in 1967. It is difficult to expand a nation by giving land back to the folks who invaded in 1967.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 06/24/2009
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Here is what Orthodox Jews have to say:

http://www.nkusa.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/24/2009

INCORRECT INTERPRETATION OF STATISTICS

The writer shows a lack of understanding of how things work in Israel. The Israeli real estate market is a free market. Therefore, even though the number of houses built in the West Bank is less than the number of children born on the West Bank, it is impossible to force private contractors to sell specifically to West Bank residents. Instead, many non-West Bank residents will buy houses in the West Bank and many children of West Bank residents are forced out of the West Bank housing market.

Reducing the number of housing starts in the West Bank by 1/3 will not change this phenomenon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/24/2009
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It doesn't matter. They shouldn't be there in the first place if they truly value peace with their neighbors. Settlements are nothing short of an aggressive attempt to displace more Palestinians to achieve a greater Israel. It is the largest road block to ending the violence and achieving peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/24/2009

We have to look at each argument separately. I have shown--and you apparently concede--that the argument from statistics is incorrect.

You have made a separate argument about settlements stopping peace. That argument is incorrect. 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab Palestinians. Why can't a Palestinian State have some Jews? Why is there a law on the books of the Palestinian Authority mandating the death penalty to any Arab who sells a house to a Jew?

In addition, the breakdown of the Camp David negotiations in 2000 between Israel's leftist Prime Minister and Arafat was due to disagreements regarding settling Palestinian refugees in Israel proper (and according to some, the status of Jerusalem). Nothing to do with settlements.

Moreover, Jews who settle in the West Bank are maintaining a continuing Jewish presence there for 3000 years, briefly interrupted between 1948 and 1967 when the Jordanian Army kicked out Jews and by the Arab massacre of Jews in Hebron in 1929 (which caused the British to expel Jews from Hebron) and Arab riots in 1936 (which caused the British to expel Jews from the so-called Moslem Quarter, many of whose houses still show Jewish symbols proving that they were originally Jewish houses).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 06/24/2009
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The Israeli Real Estate Market? They're now illegally selling Palestinain homes "seized" in Haifa in 1948.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 06/24/2009

Well, they may be selling some of them, but most were blown to kingdom come by the Jews when they destroyed over 400 Palestinian villages during (half of the Jewish forces who were suppossedly batlling the invading Arab armies were kept back to finish the ethnic cleansing operations that started in late 1947) and right after the war of 48.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 06/25/2009
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The Palestinians could full well regulate construction on their land if Israeli contractors weren't being sheltered and favored by the IDF. This notion that Israel has no control is absurd. If that were true then where does the authority to demolish homes in East Jerusalem come from? Rank hypocrisy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 06/24/2009
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One minor point. The Israeli government is the largest holder of real estate in Israel and it will not sell any land in Israel to a Palestinian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 06/24/2009
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Another example of Israeli "democracy".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 06/24/2009
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And you know this how?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 06/24/2009

The statement is false.

20% of Israelis are Arabs, i.e., Palestinian. They own land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 AM on 06/25/2009

What is particularly galling is that among all the cries of 'natural growth' and 'normal lives' is the plain fact that neither of these concepts apply to Palestinians. Take for instance East Jerusalem, where Israeli's want to bulldoze Palestinian neighborhoods in order to construct a hotel, or maybe the wonderful apartheid wall, after all nothing says natural growth and normal lives quite like imprisoning a population.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 06/24/2009

Those who are building settlements are making a fortune and this has more to do with money then anything else. You can look up who the biggest builder is and the fact lots of his income comes from America from the diamond industry. It is illegal what he is doing speaking of the building of settlements in Israel and making profits in America so he may continue.

That being said the Palestinians launched 200 rockets into Israel and if they did it to America, Russia, U.K, France and any other country you should see what the reaction would of been. Yes it was war and in war you take land and stupid Israel should of taken over every religious site the Palestinians control. Israel took land from Jordan and Egypt as a result of war and only gave ot after a long lasting peace deal was made and many life lost because of the war.

The settlements that are new will be torn down and given up when there is a real peace and Iran quits causing problems as they have for many years now.

It was war folks and that is a fact and the winner takes land often when there attacker is next door.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 06/24/2009
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I support Israel's right to exist, and much of the pain which the Palestinians have endured is at the hands of their own leadership and because of the wars launched against Israel by surrounding Muslim countries.

However, Israel is not without faults and I do not trust or stand behind them one hundred percent. The Israeli neocons were massively behind the invasion of Iraq and assisted in the false information and lies used by the Bush administration. The United States needs to once again put our needs and best interests ahead of ISRAEL'S. If the Israelis are acting in a manner which prevents peace or if they go to war on their own, then let them suffer for it. PUT THE U.S. FIRST.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 06/24/2009

Israel has been attacked once, in 1973, by its' Muslim neighbores. All other wars it has fought have been initiated by themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 06/24/2009
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I know this is true for 1948, where they attacked the Arabs to carve out Israel, but what of 1967?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 06/24/2009
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I keep hoping that one day, Americans will wake up to the extent of the lies that they've been
told in behalf of the Israeli relationship and demand justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 06/24/2009
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you must be joking. LOL Israel initiated the 1947 / 48 war???? Not even the Palestinians claim that Israel started that war. And the 67 war resulted from the Arabs cutting off the Suez canal and the Gulf of Aqaba to all Israeli shipping, the massing of armies on the borders, and the ejection of the UN peacekeeping troops. We're not interested in your ridiculous propoganda, and if you are simply uninformed, please look up the facts before you post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/24/2009
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You are absolutely wrong. The war in 1947 started with attacks on Jewish settlements by Arabs. The war in 1967 started when Egypt used its military to illegally close the Starits of Tiran, which was an act of war without the shots fired by the Egyptian troops. Following the closing the combined Arab armies massed over 100,000 troops on the Israeli border, another act of war that took place prior to the IAF attacks on Egyptian and Syrian air bases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/24/2009
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Absolutely false. The Arabs attacked first in 1948, were about to attack in 1967 when Israel completely justifiably acted in self-defense and struck Egypt first, Jordan attacked Israel first in 1967 and , of course, you're right about 1973. Any serious student of history acknowledges Israel was completely in the right in it's actions in 1967.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 06/24/2009
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I am an american, jewish, zionist, and I appreciate, respect, and ultimately agree with your sentiments. (Though I disagree with placing any of the blame of the Iraq invasion on Israel. that blame belongs squarely to the neocons and Chaney.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 06/24/2009
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...and the intel agencies that backed up the false intel. Which would be ours... and Israel's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/24/2009
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A Clean Break - written for Zionist Netanyahu by - Richard Perle et al. And do you know what - they're all neocons!
Neocons and Zionists - joined at the hip.
So yeah - the Iraq ebacle was bought about by the insistence of the Zionists and their little neocon cohorts. The facts have proved this beyond doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 06/24/2009
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Do not forget where the fake intelligence of the "yellow cake" came from. Fed to the Italians by the Israelis to give to the US. This was one of the key fake intelligence pieces used to justify the invasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/24/2009
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It is not about a "right to exists." Israel simply does exist. Period. Nations respect international laws and borders, but not the "right to exist. Where does the US state the right for Canada to exist?

If a nation wants to be treated like a nation it should act like one and not like a special case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 06/24/2009
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When Israel demands an ackonwledgment of our right to exist it has more to do with the goals of our neighbors to destroy Israel. All we are asking for is that our neighbors give up the goal of driving the Jews into the sea.

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