The Climate Bill Explained

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DINA CAPPIELLO and ERIC CARVIN | 06/25/09 10:07 PM | AP

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Cap-and-trade? Offsets? Pollution credits? The climate bill under consideration in the U.S. House of Representatives tackles global warming with new limits on pollution and a market-based approach to encourage more environmentally friendly business practices. But what exactly do the proposed rules mean, and how would they work?

Some questions and answers about the bill, a top legislative priority for President Barack Obama:

Q: What's the purpose of this legislation?

A: To reduce the gases linked to global warming and to force sources for power to shift away from fossil fuels, which when burned, release heat-trapping gases, and toward cleaner sources of energy such as wind, solar and geothermal.

Q: How does the bill accomplish this?

A: By placing the first national limits on emissions of heat-trapping gases from major sources like power plants, refineries and factories. This limit effectively puts a price on the pollution, raising the cost for companies to continue to use fuels and electricity sources that contribute to global warming. This gives them an incentive to seek cleaner alternatives.

Q: Is this the "cap-and-trade" idea that has been in the news?

A: Yes. The first step in a cap-and-trade program sets a limit on the amount of gases that can be released into the atmosphere. That is the cap. Companies with facilities that are covered by the cap will then receive permits for their share of the pollution, an annual pollution allowance. This bill initially would give the bulk of the permits away for free to help ease costs, but they still would have value because there would be a limited supply. Companies that do not get a big enough allowance to cover their pollution would either have to find ways to reduce it, which can be expensive, or buy additional permits from companies that have reduced pollution enough to have allowances left over. That is the trade. Companies typically would pick the cheaper option: reducing pollution or buying permits. They also have a third choice: They can invest in pollution reductions made elsewhere, such as farms that capture methane or plant trees. These are known as offsets.

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Q: So the idea is to try to reduce the overall level of pollution, regardless of whether, say, a particular factory reduces emissions?

A: That is true in the beginning. But as the cap gets lower and lower, reaching an 83 percent reduction by 2050, eventually all polluters will have to reduce. It is merely a question of when. For instance, it will be very tough for coal plants to reduce emissions at the outset of the program because the technology to capture and store carbon dioxide is not yet commercially available. It probably is 10 to 20 years away. So they will be buying offsets and buying allowances from other entities that will have an easier time.

Q: Do most environmentalists support this approach?

A: Most do, at least broadly. Cap-and-trade has had success. Since 1990, the United States has had a cap-and-trade program for sulfur dioxide, the main culprit in acid rain. Democrats have had to make a lot of concessions to win votes for the current bill from lawmakers from coal, oil and farm states. Some liberal environmentalists think these concessions weaken the bill. For instance, the bill's sponsors have had to lower the cap _ it originally called for a 20 percent cut by 2020 _ to 17 percent. Research suggests that much deeper cuts will be needed globally to avert the most serious consequences of global warming.

Q: Who opposes this approach, and why?

A: Republicans, some farm groups, some environmentalists, the oil industry, which feels it has received too few free permits, and some moderate Democrats. They all worry about the cost and the loss of jobs if industries move to countries that do not have controls on greenhouse gases. The bill has provisions to prevent this, but there are questions whether they will work. Republicans call the bill a national energy tax on every American family. This is because, as industries spend money to reduce pollution or buy credits, they will pass on that cost to consumers, the people who turn on the lights or pump gas in their cars. Recent analyses by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office show that the new rules eventually will cost the average household an extra $175 a year.

Q: Under the bill, what will happen to companies that do not follow the rules?

A: If they exceed their limit, they will have to pay a fine equal to twice the cap-and-trade price for each ton of pollution over the limit.

Q: Other than costs potentially being passed along to consumers, will this affect most Americans' day-to-day lives?

A: It fundamentally will change how we use, produce and consume energy, ending the country's love affair with big gas-guzzling cars and its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity. This bill will put smaller, more efficient cars on the road, swap smokestacks for windmills and solar panels, and transform the appliances you can buy for your home.

Q: How quickly will we notice these changes?

A: Some will occur more quickly than others. For instance, measures to boost energy efficiency in buildings and appliances are the low-hanging fruit that does not require major infrastructure changes or new technologies. Other changes are decades off and probably will come when the cap gets more stringent and permits get more expensive. For instance, the country can build more wind and more solar panels, but currently it lacks the transmission lines to move the energy they generate to population centers. As for cars: While more efficient models are a near-term reality, it will take a while to change out the fleet. Some people will continue driving 10-year-old gas guzzlers.

Q: What are the chances this bill will become law?

A: Both the Obama administration and Democrats want this bill passed by the end of the year, when negotiations for a new international agreement to reduce greenhouse gases get under way in Copenhagen, Denmark. Even as Democrats hold the majority in Congress, it will not be easy to get this enacted. Many moderate Democrats from rural states and conservative districts are worried about the costs and complexity of the legislation when the economy is already weak. Very few Republicans, if any, are expected to support the bill. Approval of a climate bill in the Senate has been viewed as a long shot. Parts of the bill may need to be changed to secure approval in the Senate.

Q: Why is it so important to tackle global warming anyway?

A: Left untended, scientists say, global warming will cause sea levels to rise, increase storms and worsen air pollution. For these reasons, the Environmental Protection Agency recently concluded that six greenhouse gases pose dangers to human health and welfare. And politically, without U.S. action, developing countries like China probably will not agree to mandatory pollution limits.

Cap-and-trade? Offsets? Pollution credits? The climate bill under consideration in the U.S. House of Representatives tackles global warming with new limits on pollution and a market-based approach to ...
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- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 56 fans permalink

The biggest single tax increase in American history. Tell it like it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 06/26/2009
- ClarcKing I'm a Fan of ClarcKing 32 fans permalink

Cap and Trade is another component of the economic and population contraction policy that our more enlightened elite and Authority have deigned for the cattle and sheep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/26/2009
- dagdavid I'm a Fan of dagdavid 10 fans permalink
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We need to stop burning coal. Now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 06/26/2009

OK than what do you suppose we use to genarate all the electricity we need? Wind power and solar won't be able to generate enough we are still going to need base load plants and natural gas would work but you have to drill for natural gas and every time a company proposes drilling some where all the crack pot enviro groups haul them to court because some frog or mouse might be harmed. I work in the power generation industry and my the company I work for has some wind turbines the power is not reliable at all it is there one minute and gone the next with out the coal plants as a constant source of power our customers would be subject to blackouts and brownouts.have you ever toured a coal fired plant? maybe you should sometime and see the regulations that have to be followed and how the scrubber systems work. they do not use 50 year old technology.50 years ago there were no scrubbers or precipatators or baghouses to catch the ash and pollutants now days there are. I grew up on a farm 3 miles from a coal plant and no one in family has died our land is still fertile and none of our animals have two heads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 06/26/2009
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 88 fans permalink
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i know.. windmills have been tried.. think holland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 06/26/2009
- lbrty 2112 I'm a Fan of lbrty 2112 13 fans permalink

Agreed! Just as soon as we get more nuclear plants on line

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/26/2009
- fairtaxnow I'm a Fan of fairtaxnow 9 fans permalink

Someone please tell me in WHAT science book on the planet is CO2 a pollutant?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 06/26/2009
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Go find an elementary school child's science book and take a look. The Greenhouse Effect has been preached to adolescents in the public school system for at least 30 years.

"Think for yourself. Question authority." Timothy Leary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 06/26/2009

It's absolutely is not a pollutant. CO is a pollutant, but CO2 is not. That was the reason autos wre mandated to fitted with catalytic convertors. They change CO to CO2. I can assure that it is no coincidence that the EPA came out with this nonsense for no other reason than to push policy that at the very best, based on quasi-junk science. They have had to actually rebrand the hysteria as "climate change" from "global warming" because the Earth has been cooling for several years now. Oh my gosh, the climate actually changes on Mother Earth? Sea levels may rise? Oh my...that's never happened before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 06/26/2009
- nogimmicks I'm a Fan of nogimmicks 29 fans permalink

A terrible bill. More Fed-inspired debt and spending with minimal results, more bureaucracy. What they should do instead, is to make a policy decision to go nuclear. Like France did, like Japan did without any cap-and-trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 06/26/2009

France boasts the cheapest and cleanest energy program on the globe, perhaps with the rare exception of geothermal Iceland. What is the source you may ask? Yes, nuclear. Ah, but guess what? No tax revenues...oops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 06/26/2009
- Rhetticent I'm a Fan of Rhetticent 21 fans permalink

Exactly, price. We could drastically reduce our emissions of CO2 NOW if that was really the problem they say it is, by switching cars, trucks and buses to CNG. But they can't figure out a way to generate a massive new tax revenue stream by doing that, so we have to go to this idiotic Rube Goldberg cap and trade scheme that hasn't worked anywhere else. This is going to create a FIASCO if they pass it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 06/26/2009
- Solsister I'm a Fan of Solsister 5 fans permalink

Cheapest and cleanest.... what a crock! They are simply putting off the payments in environmental damage to the next generations (like 200 of them) because they have absolutely no safe place to store the waste.

That's only one of the reasons nuclear is a literal dead-end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 06/26/2009
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Coral reefs, one of the most biodiverse ecosystems on earth are dying because of global warming and climate change.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/warming-coral.html

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/301/5635/929

We've been watching this trend for over ten years, so its about time something substantial is done. Good bye indifference:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 06/26/2009
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 88 fans permalink
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you can't have it both ways silly:

if warming oceans release their CO2 then the warming effect of atmospheric CO2 is good for oceans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 06/26/2009
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You are out of your league, punk. Oceans act as a SINK for excessive CO2 in the atmosphere. As CO2 dissolves into the upper ocean. there is an increase in carbonic acid. Because we are pumping more greenhouse gases including carbon dioxide in the atmosphere there is less equilibrium and the oceans become even more of sink. The CO2 has to go somewhere due to buildup. Although more data needs to be accumulated, this increased acidity could affect marine organismal skeletons. Do your homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 06/26/2009
- Rhetticent I'm a Fan of Rhetticent 21 fans permalink

Yeah, the 'Acidification of the Oceans" is the newest approach, seeing as how "Gobal Warming" struck out, and "Climate Change" is not scary enough. Kind of like the infamous Al Gore polar bear picture, that he swiped from a tourist and actually showed polar bears playing on chunks of ice.... Keep throwing out the junk science, and you'll get your wish: loss of whatever industry we have left, a massive new bureaucracy to manage this Rube Goldberg monstrosity of an energy plan, increased prices for everything, especially utilities, and no change in the CO2 at all.

Wake up, Revenge. Al Gore is using you to get rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 06/26/2009
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Oh how you neocons love your blinders and won't believe your own eyes. I'm more awake and hip to the world then you naysayers will ever be. I'm a working biologist, and I watch reefs and other ecosystems dying more every year, every day. Can't you pinheads fathom that caring for the environment is more than just slogans? We try to do what works. Have you ever taken a hike in your local park or wilderness? Take your kids to the zoo and aquaria, cause those and books will soon be the only natural world available to them...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/28/2009

Years ago, dinosaurs walked the Earth. Today there are different animals walking the Earth...get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/26/2009
- lbrty 2112 I'm a Fan of lbrty 2112 13 fans permalink

$1870 for a family of four in the midst of near double-digit unemployment? For something that 'could' happen, but will ultimately be undone by the next ice age 'if' it does?? This is potentially the biggest ripoff perpetrated by elected officials on a 'free' people in the history of mankind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 06/26/2009

Prove your numbers. The Republican Party is the biggest liars and distorters of facts in history. It is ridiculous to think our electrical bills will increase to, it's 1870 now it was $3600 back then. We have public servce commissions in each state who must approve any increases in electrical bills for consumers. The real cost of cap and trade will be placed on the utilities. And even if our bills will increase, it is more likely to increase to $180 over a year period and there will be govt subsidies for those who cannot absorb the increase. Stop protecting the BIG Corporations. It's amazing to me how the BIG CORPORATION always seem to find away to say that it they who are protecting the CONSUMER. Poppy Cock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 06/26/2009
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"And even if our bills will increase, it is more likely to increase to $180 over a year period and there will be govt subsidies for those who cannot absorb the increase."

Thats why its being called a 'tax bill'. Those subsidies have come from somewhere. You got the extra money, YOU pay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 06/26/2009
- Rhetticent I'm a Fan of Rhetticent 21 fans permalink

Are you kidding? There's not GOING to be any local control anymore. Even the building codes are going to be mandated by the Feds. That's one of the many reasons why conservatives hate this bill.

And why is Pelosi giving everything to the corporations to buy votes? Have you even looked at this bill? She's sold out to coal, to agriculture, to the oil companies. The cost of this is going to fall right on the heads of the little guys, because they don't have lobbyists.

Look here for another analysis of the CBO numbers:: http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm2503.cfm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/26/2009

You are really gullible if you don't think that you will pay the extra cost. The states may have to approve increases, but they can't cause an enterprise to lose money. The company will say to them, "We had a 5% profit margin before, now it costs this much to keep our margin". The states will then say, "OK, increase your prices."

Can you tell me why this will occur? It will be inevitable because the state gets a tax revenue stream from the power compnay's profits. See how that works?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 06/26/2009
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Cap and Trade Is Wrong

It's a Massive Energy Tax
It Will Not Make a Substantive Impact on the Environment
It Will Kill Jobs
It Will Cause Electricity Bills and Gas Prices to Sharply Increase
It Will Outsource Manufacturing Jobs and Hurt Free Trade
It Will Make You Choose among Energy, Groceries, Clothing and Haircuts
It Will Be Highly Susceptible to Fraud and Corruption
It Will Hurt Senior Citizens, the Poor, and the Unemployed the Worst
It Will Cost American Families Nearly $3,000 a Year
President Obama Admitted "Electricity Rates Would Necessarily Skyrocket" Under His Cap-and-Trade Program (January 2008)

GO barry
and his prince and princesses of dc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 06/26/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 223 fans permalink
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$175 a year is massive?

The from the non partisan CBO. Stop drinking that winger koolaid.\

yer a tool

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 06/26/2009
- lbrty 2112 I'm a Fan of lbrty 2112 13 fans permalink

marco, perhaps you'll pay my share..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 06/26/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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Cap-and-trade is a massive theft.

Rather than pay large amounts of taxes, which could help finance important government programs such as Social Security and medicare, the money goes to Wall Street traders who will make fortunes. You know, the same guys who helped to trigger the current economic crisis and who traded up the price of oil and gasoline recently.

A simple carbon tax would discourage pollution by making it more expensive. Some companies would fail as a result.

Boo hoo.

Either we capitalism or we have socialism. Capitalism can be made safe and productive for most, but it required correct and bold action. This bill isn't that.

Frankly, if capitalism won't adapt, it needs to be destroyed, because in its current form it's turning into an oligarchy.

A system like China's would be preferable to these boom-bust cycles. You can't have an advanced civilization that bounces its peoples' lives around like this.

Americans, if you're afraid of losing your democracy -- you've already lost it. The money boys outspend any reformers, and Obama doesn't "tilt at windmills." The only question now is which kind of managers will work the helm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 06/26/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 223 fans permalink
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Our system has always been a mixture of capitalism and socialism, it is just a matter of where the balance lies.

There has never been a pure capitalistic nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 06/26/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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What we have now is not capitalism -- it's an oligarchy that has eviscerated democracy and superseded real capitalism, a system where risk is rewarded and those who fail lose their investments.

Our big financial "institutions" are too big to fail. They are helping to create a two-tier society, where the entrenched rich protect themselves against failure, pass along the penalties to the rest of us and assure the success of their children with a two-tier educational system.

It's reverse Darwinism, the rule of the unfit that prevents new ideas from surfacing, unless they are new sexually enhanced toothpaste or an electronic toy that sells big.

Our votes are meaningless to change the system, because our "representatives" with few exceptions are bought off or outmaneuvered by big money.

The next time this system collapses, we'll be told again we have too many 'entitlement" programs and are greedy and selfish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 06/26/2009

wow i see when you have facts to debunk these outrageous global waming myths your posts dont go through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 AM on 06/26/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 223 fans permalink
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Don't worry about it.

My facts debunking climate change deniers like you didn't go through either. We have a particularly sensitive mod on this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 06/26/2009

marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 I'm a fan of this user permalink
You're full of contradictions. You seem to have genuine concern for the environment yet you disregard the COMPLETE CONSENSUS OF ALL MAJOR SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS ON ANTHROPOGENIC CLIMATE CHANGE, not JUST Al Gore.

Weird.

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there is no consensus, thats the biggest myth out there. in fact 30,000 American scientists have signed a petition disagreeing with AGW....

http://www.petitionproject.org/

you can even see these peoples credentials listed, over 9.000 have phd's.

the ones screaming global warming are in large part comprised of scientists that specialise in non related fields. over and over it has been shown that the data they are working with has been skewed to push an agenda.

now for facts: the most abundant greenhouse gas is water vapor 36-72%
the gas with the strongest heat trapping qualities is methane but its only 4-9% of green house gasses
carbon dioxide accounts for 9 - 26%, listed as 387 parts per million by volume - hardly enough to cause temperatures to rise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 AM on 06/26/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

what happened to transparency...and reading the bill before signing...thats how you guys got guns in national parks....because the democrats fully vetted the bill in public before passing it and the president signing it.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 AM on 06/26/2009
- marco01 I'm a Fan of marco01 223 fans permalink
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When ever I see Reid I cringe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 06/26/2009
- Tuc0 I'm a Fan of Tuc0 2 fans permalink
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I think we can all agree on that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 06/26/2009
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get rid of the trade, and just have auctions every 2 months on pollution. Greenhouse gas removal is great but I care much more about pollution. pollution of water is 100000x more important then pollution of air.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 06/26/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 134 fans permalink
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Prediction.
at the last minute, most of the bill will be turned upside down, corporations will get a financial windfall of taxpayer money that was intended on funding environmental change and it will all get sugar coated by the white house PR department as something that will be great for Americans everywhere. Just like when your boss tells you this is going to be great, your going to love it and really see benefits from it, you know it will be horrible,, well, the same goes for anything coming out of DC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 06/26/2009

Hopefully this P.O.S. won't pass at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 06/26/2009
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