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First Posted: 06-26-09 02:11 PM   |   Updated: 07-27-09 05:12 AM

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With Contributing Reporting By Jeff Muskus and Ryan Grim

After a tense debate, in which the margin of success or failure never moved beyond a handful of votes, the House of Representatives passed the most sweeping climate change policy ever considered by Congress early Friday evening.

The outcome had remained up in the air up until the actual vote, with the White House and the president himself engaging in a heavy lobbying campaign aimed at restoring Democratic Party unity that seemed to be fracturing.

Hoping to stem what seemed increasingly like a Democratic victory, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) deployed an infrequently used parliamentary procedure to delay the bill's consideration - reading before the House a 300-page amendment that had been offered to the 1,200-page bill Friday morning.

After an hour of reading the text derisively, Boehner finally surrendered the floor. A raucous Democratic caucus quickly asked for vote to be taken, after which it was revealed that the White House and Democratic leadership's efforts had paid off. The House passed the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 by a vote of 219 to 212. Forty-four Democrats voted against the measure and only eight Republicans yes.

The climate change bill would reset drastically the way the U.S. government approaches the issue of regulating pollution. Instituting a cap and trade system, the bill aims to cut America's production of greenhouse gases by 17 percent by 2020, and 83 percent by 2050. The legislation also includes provisions to create alternative energy sources and cleaner technologies, as well as more efficient building standards.

In an effort to recruit the support of lawmakers sitting on the fence, its authors, prominent progressive Reps. Henry Waxman (D-Calif) and Ed Markey (D-Mass), reduced goals for carbon emission reductions and threw in favors for the coal and agricultural industries.

The latter moves were, in part, responsible for the 11th-hour concerns over the bill's passage. Progressive lawmakers balked at supporting legislation that they deemed to be watered down or insufficiently effective. Rep. Dennis Kucinich, in particular, proved to be particularly recalcitrant, pledging not to support the bill even if his amendments were accepted.

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Concerned over the bill's passage, the president made a direct plea to lawmakers in a public statement on Thursday. The next day, the White House went into full lobbying mode, deploying key cabinet officials to whip votes. Former Vice President Al Gore, was tapped to make phone calls to undecided lawmakers. It paid off: One by one, their targets came into the fold, from Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.) to long-standing holdout Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)

After the vote, Democratic lawmakers filtering out of the chamber were quick to heap praise on Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali) for the work she did in shepherding the bill through the House.

"People do what they need to do," Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn) said of progressive lawmakers who had withheld support. "The speaker was always focused. Mr. Waxman, Mr. Markey, Mr. [Charlie] Rangel (D-N.Y.), everybody clearly focused on what had to be done. We needed to move. You never get a piece of legislation where everyone is happy with everything in the bill."

Added Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass): "Obviously Henry [Waxman] did an enormously good job and [Rep.] Rick Boucher (D-V.A.) was very instructive. But this was very much a personal thing for the Speaker, who's very widely respected in this caucus."

As for the other side of the aisle, the Massachusetts Democrat was not as praiseworthy in his analysis.

"I think that John Boehner is floundering to find a useful role as a leader," he said, citing the Minority Leader's inability to get more Republicans to join his use of procedural votes to hold up the bill.

Going forward, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-M.D.) said he was not overly concerned about how the Senate would approach climate change legislation. Nor was DeLauro.

"The Senate's going to do what they're going to do," she said. "We'll work that part of the process when we get to it. We won today."

Passage of the Waxman-Markey bill by the House is the first stage in what promises to remain a difficult legislative process. The Senate is now scheduled to consider the matter, though it has yet to produce actual legislation. Once the Senate passes a bill, it must be merged with the House's version in conference committee. Finalized, the legislation will then be reconsidered by both bodies of Congress before ultimately making it to the president's desk.

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FROM EARLIER REPORTING

As a vote on a controversial climate change bill approached on Friday afternoon, Democrats on the Hill were turning their attention to progressive Democrats rather than attempting to recruit more Republican support for the measure.

The late-stage whip count on the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 has produced a particular political irony. A measure crafted by two progressive Democrats in the House of Representatives -- Reps. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Ed Markey (D-Mass.) -- over the course many years could hinge on the willingness of members of their own party to compromise.

At the heart of the issue is a belief among some progressives that the bill's standard for carbon emission reductions have been set too low, and that the measure itself is too easy on both the coal industry and farmers. Already, according to Hill aides, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) has said that he will not support the bill regardless of whether his own amendments are approved. High-ranking officials involved with whipping votes tell the Huffington Post that there are at least three or four other liberals who are withholding their support. Reps. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) and Lloyd Doggett (D-T.X.) were two names put forward by multiple sources, the latter issuing a floor statement on Friday saying that without significant improvements he couldn't support the bill. Rep. Rush Holt (D-N.J.) whose vote remains up in the air, is said to be leaning towards backing the measure, according a Democratic source.

(UPDATE: Holt's office says he will support the measure, though isn't happy with the money for research and development of new energy sources. They also send over video of the congressman speaking on the House floor. Meanwhile, Doggett -- whose opposition was, on Friday, irritating both Democratic leadership and the White House -- announced late in the day to announce his support.)

For a bill that could be decided by one or two votes, holdouts could make all the difference.

"The irony here is that this bill, which people like Waxman and others have been working on for years, could be derailed, not by the right wing," said one high-ranking Democrat, "but by members of their own party. This could be the classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Reflecting the tenseness of the legislative debate, the White House and Democratic leadership have ratcheted up their efforts to ensure party unity. Among those making calls to lawmakers on the fence include Al Gore and President Barack Obama. According to a senior Hill aide, who asked to remain anonymous, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Labor Secretary Hilda Solis -- both recent recruits from the House -- have been calling former colleagues as well.

The key argument being conveyed is that this bill is the last big bite at the environmental policy apple.

"If it goes down, climate change is stymied," said one Democratic aide.

In addition, progressives are being asked to support the measure now while keeping open the option of opposing it later. The Senate, after all, has to pass a climate change bill of its own, after which the two chambers will merge their products in committee and send it back for a final vote. House progressives, in short, will get another chance to make their principled stand.

"Rather than kill it now, we have got to keep the process moving," said the Democrat.

The tricky part is finding a legislative balance that all members of the Democratic Party in the House can support. Lawmakers, to this point, have added a host of sweeteners designed to bring lawmakers to the table. These include amendments to add renewables and efficiency provisions, which while representing progressive values, are more important for their regional significance (For example, representatives from Arizona and New Mexico are backing a provision to harness wind and solar energy).

But there has been some backlash as a result of these efforts, underscoring the tricky dynamics of trying to unite a diverse caucus around a politically touchy and divisive issue. On Thursday, for instance, Markey waded into a room of progressive to make one last group appeal for the bill that bears his name. In the process, he surprised the crowd by standing up in support of coal, the fossil fuel that scientists say is doing the most to alter the world's climate in devastating ways. Progressives are concerned that Waxman-Markey doesn't do enough to curb emissions from coal plants and that some provision might, in fact, enable more plants to come online.

"Clean coal," they argue, is an oxymoron and it doesn't exist.

"It's not an oxymoron. It's not like jumbo shrimp or Salt Lake City night life," Markey told the gathered progressives, according to an aide to another member in the room. The Massachusetts Democrat was followed by Rep. Rick Boucher, a Democrat from southwest Virginia, who also made the case for including provisions favorable to coal companies.

Indeed, the pressure on progressives to swallow coal has been particularly intense and partially responsible for their skepticism.

Nevertheless, the majority of environmental activists -- even those outside government -- say the time for legislation is now or never. Carl Pope, head of the environmental giant Sierra Club, has also been twisting the arms of undecided liberals, arguing that by holding out support for the bill they're strengthening the hand of moderate and conservative Democrats who want to push the bill right.

"If Waxman-Markey can't get the votes of reliable liberals, they are then forced to go to the right to get a majority," Pope told the Huffington Post. The bill that has emerged isn't as strong as it could be, he said, because of the "impact of the failure of liberals to commit on the bill."

And while admitting that the final package had flaws, Pope said that the Sierra Club is still unequivocally supporting passage. "I'm pleased with what Waxman is up to. I'm not overall pleased with the way... Congress as a whole is reacting to energy and climate. There are far too many members who are treating it as a regional issue instead of a national issue. I'd have hoped that after two wars in the gulf over global oil, with the climate crisis, with the economic crisis, that members of Congress would say we need to create a new energy economy, we need to create it now... we can't continue to treat energy policy as a regional issue. And far too many members are."

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With Contributing Reporting By Jeff Muskus and Ryan Grim After a tense debate, in which the margin of success or failure never moved beyond a handful of votes, the House of Representatives passed the...
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Interesting article... but this cap and trade method has been tried before... and it failed! (see http://www.mindreign.com/en/mindshare/Environmental-Concerns/Hold-Your-Applause/sl36962308bp298cpp10pn1.html) What's to say it won't fail again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 07/06/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 51 fans permalink

church of global warming is automatically a heretic and that no evidence whatsoever needs to even be presented to counter their sacrilege, but here in the real world we prefer to stick to the facts.

Empirical satellite data shows that mean global temperatures are the same that they were 30 years ago and that global sea ice is also at similar levels. Following a spike in global temperatures at the end of the last century that coincided with the sun undergoing its most active period in recent times, the planet has now cooled to 1979 levels. At the end of summer last year, despite hysterical predictions that the North Pole would be free of ice for the first time in history, Arctic sea ice had actually expanded by 30 per cent, an area the size of Germany.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 07/01/2009

While the bill passed the House I dont think it has any shot of passing the Senate. The Senate defeated several similar measures in 2002 and 2005 and also passed a bill in 1997 stating that no climate change bill will be passed that will 1) Cause harm to our economy in favor of green energy and 2) not be followed by other industrialized countries. The current bill that was just passed in the House will not be followed by China or India (the bulk of the current CO2 emmisions problem). Almost all environmental groups actually do NOT support this bill including Green Peace, the EPA and Friends of the Earth, all of whom call this bill "counter-p­roductive"­. There is a reason that Spain is trying to repeal this exact same bill that they passed several years ago. Most of Spains manufacturing companies have simply moved to other countries where the emmissions standards are lower and thats exactly what US firms will do. Furthermore, we all hate when jobs are exported yet this is exactly what this bill does. Production costs will certainly increase for most manufacturing companies, forcing them to move their operations to Mexico, China or India. WE WILL LOSE MANY MANY COMPANIES AND JOBS. THIS BILL IS A DISASTER.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 07/01/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 51 fans permalink

The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02. Peer-reviewed research has debunked doomsday scenarios about the polar ice caps, hurricanes, malaria, extinctions, rising oceans. A global financial crisis has politicians taking a harder look at the science that would require them to hamstring their economies to rein in carbon.

The global warming hoax is on life support, being kept alive only by a rigorous if ridiculous campaign to suppress reality. For example, a top expert on polar bears was banned from speaking for not being willing to pretend that the man-eating beasts are endangered by our lawnmowers:

Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. …

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 06/30/2009

Romeo is 100% correct. Even our own EPA agreed, until politicians told them to shut-up.

Temps will be going down or stay relatively flat for at least the nest 15-20 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 07/01/2009
- antifluff I'm a Fan of antifluff 15 fans permalink

If you like having electricity available, do not support this bill. Things taken for granted like HVAC will be priced out of reach for the average consumer. The programs in place to help the poor with these bill will receive less money due to people trying harder to pay their own bills.
The new requirements put CO2 emissions at 17% of previous levels, this is an overall reducution of electrical generation and industrial operations of 83%. That is a whole lot of people losing jobs. Alternative forms of electical generation combined make up less than 20% of the required electricity for the nation. Chances are this will mean rolling brown-outs and black-outs.
If you want to save the 'earth', this is not the way to do it.
This will give the guv power over your lives to determine who gets electricity and who doesn't. Electricity is not a right. It must be purchased at a cost of equipment, production and maintenance. The guv in this bill is offering nothing to see that electricity remains in your future. Wake up, before you have to go back to wind-up clocks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 06/30/2009

Two people in a row making sense. That has to be a record for this site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 07/01/2009
- Garybot I'm a Fan of Garybot 47 fans permalink
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I agree - it really is great to hear people making sense again

However, I think some of our citizens are going to need some help getting over the cult of global warming - actually, include the president in that, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 07/02/2009

Al Gore invests millions to make billions in cap-and-trade software.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11607

How can people be so stupid? The Earths warming and cooling is natural and we're not going to change it. When have we ever been able to change the temperature?

13,000 years ago, the Utah Salt Flats was as large as Lake Michigan. It naturally dried up. If it happened today it would be deemed the end of the world by Gore and his faithful lemmings.

People...READ!!! And more importantly, follow the money.

John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, nailed it when he said "It is the greatest scam in history".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 06/30/2009
- Garybot I'm a Fan of Garybot 47 fans permalink
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People, this is your life and your security and your freedom. Are you just going to surrender those things without understanding clearly what is going on?

I know you're not going to believe what I say, but you need to listen to some other viewpoints and then you can really decide for yourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 06/29/2009
- Strega I'm a Fan of Strega 349 fans permalink
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pay attention to nature & the earth around you - u want to have a different opinion - fine, but don't ur the one who needs to listen to other viewpoints & stop saying others are wrong - thou doth protest too much!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 06/29/2009
- rattler99 I'm a Fan of rattler99 19 fans permalink
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some facts for you, strega

Sea ice data:

2009 Extent: 5.8 million sq m - Concentration: 3.3 million sq m
1997 Extent: 4.3 million sq m - Concentration: 2.7 million sq m
1980 Extent: 4.7 million sq m - Concentration: 3.0 million sq m

From the National Snow and Ice Data Center.

Interior ice is also increasing. According to NOAA GISS data winter temperatures in the Antarctic have actually fallen by 1�F since 1957, with the coldest year being 2004. All the while global CO2 levels have gone up, and Al Gore, the alarmists and the main stream media have been crying near catastrophic warming conditions. They regularly show Antarctic sea ice shelves breaking apart, which is an entirely normal process (though they never tell you that part).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 06/30/2009
- Garybot I'm a Fan of Garybot 47 fans permalink
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Does anyone here know, not what you're being told about this bill, but what it's effect on your life will be? Do you understand that is is the most important legislation that we have had in decades. You need to research and understand what is going on here.

Does anyone here understand how the rest of the world is thinking about global warming? They have finally realized that there is no global warming, and the forcast for the next 10 years is continued slight cooling? Do you want the government stealing your money while the U.S. pretends to spend it on global warming?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 06/29/2009
- antifluff I'm a Fan of antifluff 15 fans permalink

I am looking forward to having a community well that the guv controls the pumps; where citizens will have to wait in line and show ID to draw water. I think private toilets (in each home) are far too consuming of natural resources. I wonder who will visit cities when the results of this 'far-sited' thinking takes hold.
Don't bother looking at places that do not use modernization to improve living standards, those places are just pristine (after you sink through inches of biological fouling and ignore all the temporary shelters the average person uses); the best thing for earth is to go back to caveman days and f(eye)ght over caves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 06/30/2009
- Garybot I'm a Fan of Garybot 47 fans permalink
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Fantastic Post - Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/30/2009
- rattler99 I'm a Fan of rattler99 19 fans permalink
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don't know how long this post will last - these lefty HP censors don't like facts, I guess - anyway, my question is would it not make sense to first establish whether or not there actually is climate change before spending trillions of taxpayer dollars on what is likely just another scam?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 06/29/2009
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that's already been established, unless of course, u choose not to believe world scientists - u can deny it all u want, but the climate is changing and the earth being destroyed while u sit in denial

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 06/29/2009
- Garybot I'm a Fan of Garybot 47 fans permalink
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You are wrong - you need to listen to other points of view so you can tell what is real.
You are not being told the truth, and you need to find out what is really going on in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 06/29/2009
- antifluff I'm a Fan of antifluff 15 fans permalink

The climate has changed for millions of years, but for the first time, some man is deseptive enough to claim credit. The people that don't want to improve, simply follow his lead. Why let the troofth get in the way of a good story!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 06/30/2009

Hey, he did invent the internet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 07/01/2009
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In Al Gore's neighborhood they call him 'Grid Buster' because of the power drain his house puts on the local electric company. But I have to get a different bulb for my reading lamp ? Is it just me or what? I mean tell me! Lay it on me! Go ahead. I can take most of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 06/29/2009
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OK - Australia and other countries are in the midst of a realization that there is no global warming. They have said that the prediction for the next 10 years is that we will continue to have slight global cooling.

If the Cap & Trade passes - businesses will not be able to afford the strict standards, and many will go out of business or move to other countries that have figured out that global warming is a myth.
If you own a home, and you want to sell it, you will have an inspector come and tell you all the modifications you will have to do to bring your house up to standards before it can go on the market. This would include things like insulated windows, insulation, etc.

This is only the beginning, but it shows that you will be paying out a lot of money - and actually that is the ide - this is how we get the wealth distributed.

Please do your own research. This is terribly important - this will change our lives drastically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/29/2009

Sam, Please Signal when It's Time to Bend Over. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 06/29/2009
- MakeAWish I'm a Fan of MakeAWish 21 fans permalink

I am 100% for conservation. However, I think carbon credits are a joke. Who will decide what is a credit, how much it is worth, and if it really exists? What's to keep someone from selling and reselling these credits? It will turn out to be another big scam.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 06/29/2009
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I'm sure you realize that conservation is not global warming. Conservation is always a part of taking care of our environment.

Check out what's happening in the world regarding global warming:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/29/2009
- antifluff I'm a Fan of antifluff 15 fans permalink

Is that why the 'dems' are pushing it? Will there be taxes on collecting these credits?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 06/30/2009
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Whew, slim margin of victory - but victory none the less. In a nation whose interests have been dominated more than 100 years by Big Oil...it is quite a remarkable sea change. Now if we can just lift the cap on social security, pass a public option single payer health care program, pass a significant increase in minimum wage, and stop punishing gays and lesbians for being honest about who they are we may catch up to the twenty first century! Fingers crossed!

I am feeling - what is it - oh yeah, hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 06/29/2009
- antifluff I'm a Fan of antifluff 15 fans permalink

I think this is how the last 10 years of the ussr lived (with maybe one exception). Your plan is in line with the dems...punish those who are productive and reward the parasites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/30/2009
- Vixter I'm a Fan of Vixter 10 fans permalink

Thank you, Cowboylove, for a minute there I thought that I had slipped into R(ush) N(ewt) C (Cheney) territory. I am amazed that the previous posters are still debating whether climate change is real or not. I guess that they didn't get the message that science is now a GOOD thing - as opposed to dubya's policy of making fun of what one doesn't understand.

Amazing that regressive (as opposed to progressive) folks are still talking about the $$ that their kids are going to be paying, but don't stop to think that there will be no planet if we keep up with the drill, baby, drill (bomb, bomb, bomb Iran) agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 06/30/2009
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The American people have been suckered again. A climate bill that will not change the climate. It is toted as a jobs bill but will destroy 2-4 million jobs after you count the jobs it creates. The only thing this bill does is make Al Gore rich, he has the controlling stock in a software company that has the software to monitor carbon emmissions. It will make Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reed rich they are heavily invested in windmill and solar panel companies. I am sure Obama has some money invested for him lately.
The American government will win because this is the biggest revenue generating bill ever no matter what they say.
The American people will lose because energy cost will skyrocket, Obama stated this to the Washington Post on 7/11/08 in an interview on Cap and Trade. Americans in industrial jobs will lose because those jobs will go to nations without cap and trade. So America you are suckered again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 06/29/2009
- SarahZim I'm a Fan of SarahZim 7 fans permalink

Thanks for sharing your OPINION. Too bad you don't recognize it as that and use the important qualifier 'I think'. I think the only words to describe someone who believes their own analysis as fact is arrogant or maybe even delusional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 06/29/2009
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That's fine then - just do your own investigation. Listen to what other people and countries are saying. You're about to be taken for a really bad ride. At least you should know what it is, and why it is happening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 06/29/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 06/29/2009
- Hank10303 I'm a Fan of Hank10303 46 fans permalink

Remember the Representatives and the Senators that will vote against this bill. The tax increase they are attempting to smear it with amount to $21 a year per household, not family per housing unit - over the next 10 years. In exchange there would be a drastic reduction in oil consumption; investment in green and renewable energy and alternatives to corn based ethanol. For those that aren't aware of it there is a country that is already energy independent. Brazil, it uses less than 10 oil in its daily economy. Brazil has had green energy for over 10 with "sugar cane" base ethanol. Obviously farmers and their lobby which has received subsidies for the past 40 years don't want this, oil companies don't want this and electric suppliers don't want this because it raises standards on the efficient production of energy meaning waste not want not. Remember the senators that vote against this bill; they do not represent the interest of the people. Write them if they are or are not your representatives they must be hounded if need be to past this bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 06/29/2009
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Brazil is not a fool like us. They just found one of the largest oil deposits in the world off their coast and is starting drilling. We on the other hand have stopped all our drilling and exploration around our coasts and in Alsaska. Who's the fool

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/29/2009
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Exactly - and you're fanned

Feel free to us this article about the rest of the world's opinion of global warming!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/29/2009
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I saw where Brazil is drilling now for oil and they are going full tilt on it. Good for them they need the hydrocarbons and they are willing to go get them.

If the U. S iinitiates Global warming planning , but India and China go the opposite way. does the Earth still cool off or no? Oh I get it. Its a step in the right direction..yeah, yeah I get it. If we don't do it no one will. Someone has to stand up and fight for it ..yeah I gotcha. Save the Planet Save the Planet. Don't save the people in Darfur. Save the Planet. Planet is big. People in Darfur small. Planet all encompassing. People in Darfur little and unimportant. We'll get to them later. We are big picture people here in the U.S. so lets go with Planet. Sounds better too. Makes us feel like we are doing something important. Big. Green. Heck the people in Darfur will never know the difference anyway.
Wait a minute though. Is it not true the people in the camps there are dying today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 07/18/2009
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