Spiritual Adviser: "Darkness" Gripped Sanford

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ALLEN G. BREED | June 29, 2009 06:28 AM EST | AP

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South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford gestures as he talks outside his Sullivans Island home Sunday, June 28, 2009. (AP Photo/Mary Ann Chastain)

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and-a-half-long sessions included forgiveness and "not loving your wife as Christ loved the church."

Group leader Warren "Cubby" Culbertson did not tell the other four couples what he and his wife, Susan, had known for months: The governor was having an affair with a woman in Argentina.

When Jenny Sanford confronted her husband in January after finding a letter to "Maria" among his official papers, the governor turned to Culbertson. For nearly six months, Culbertson has been the first couple's spiritual counselor _ and their secret keeper.

The Sanfords "passed" the Culbertsons' course with flying colors. A week later, Jenny Sanford asked her husband to leave their home.

In an interview with The Associated Press this weekend at his Columbia office, just blocks from the State House, Culbertson said he believed his friend when he said that this was his only marital transgression. He thinks Sanford was simply caught off guard by "the power of darkness."

Culbertson also thinks that the only thing holding his friends' marriage together right now is "their vow to God."

"Because it's not feelings _ it's not emotions," Culbertson said, the smile fading from his tanned face. "For most Christians, at some point in your marriage, if you're married long enough, you do it because that's what we're called to do _ out of obedience instead of out of passion. And I think that's where Mark and Jenny are right now."

The two men met in 1986, when Sanford was driving for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Lader and Culbertson was a campaign volunteer. Culbertson, 51, owns a court reporting business and has been described as a pillar of the capital city's Christian community.

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Culbertson helped found the Round Table, a Bible study that, according to a paper posted on the Web, offers men "a safe place to pose their questions, test their assumptions, and know that they will not be alone or stand out as a spiritual seeker." Sanford sought that spiritual refuge on at least a couple of occasions.

"God hates lawlessness and is tireless in His desire to dissuade man from his fascination with lawlessness," reads a paper titled "Cubby's Talks." "Our hearts are lions' dens of devouring lusts. Lawlessness torments righteous souls every day."

When Sanford made his tearful public confession in the lower lobby of the State House Wednesday, Culbertson was there. Sanford singled him out.

"I would consider him a spiritual giant," Sanford said, breathing heavily to stifle his sobs. "And an incredibly dear friend."

Culbertson was talking with Jenny Sanford earlier that day when he learned that his old friend had not been hiking the Appalachian Trail for six days, as he'd told staff. He had returned to Argentina.

During his 18-minute mea culpa, the governor made numerous references to "God's law" and the sin of self. They were straight out of "Cubby's Talks" and the CDs the Culbertsons used in their "boot camp."

When Sanford cited the example of King David's infidelity and fall during a meeting with his cabinet on Friday, he was also drawing on the Culbertsons' sessions.

"One of the quotes we use in our couples course is, 'You can choose your sins, but you can't choose your consequences,'" Culbertson said. "We used to use David as an example of that. Mark may be the 2009 version of a good example.

"Mark knew what David knew."

Some who watched Sanford's news conference felt he was insincere, playing to the Palmetto State's religious base to salvage his political future.

Janine Driver, a Washington, D.C.-based body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford showed more emotion when apologizing to Culbertson and longtime political aide Tom Davis than he did when speaking of his wife and four sons. She also believes he lied when a reporter asked if this was the first time he had been unfaithful.

"He answers the question before it's been asked," said Driver, who spent 15 years with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "Then what does he do? He drops both his eyes and turns his head AWAY? ... That's what's called the cold shoulder. Because we face the core of our body toward people who usually address us."

Culbertson has asked his friend that same question several times over the years _ not because he worried about it necessarily, but "just to kind of keep him accountable." It's a question occasionally asked of Culbertson.

"And I think it's something that men need to ask men who truly want to stay in line," he said.

Sanford told Culbertson he had never strayed before, and he "absolutely" believes him.

Culbertson knows that Sanford, like any man, has weaknesses. In Culbertson's view, Sanford's chief frailty was his inability to deviate from his own agenda in the political arena.

But cheating?

"Some guys are wired such that violating God's design in this area, of women, is a real challenge to them," he said. "That's not in his DNA. That's why it's such a surprise."

Even Sanford's political enemies would concede that much.

Will Folks, a former Sanford spokesman who has been excoriating his old boss in his political blog, said sex and romance "never seemed to be things that were on the governor's radar." Although he has since reported on two other alleged dalliances, Folks said this passionate love affair is "100 percent inconsistent with everything I ever saw of the man."

"I honestly thought the guy was asexual," Folks said. "I am not kidding."

In their course, the Culbertsons tell the couples _ particularly the men _ to avoid being put "in places that allow them to be more vulnerable in that area." Culbertson himself keeps his office door open when meeting with a woman and avoids dining alone with women.

In his confessional, Sanford said the relationship started as an "innocent" e-mail exchange, and Culbertson believes him.

Culbertson does not believe the other woman went out of her way to seduce a married man. When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.

"I'm not going to comment," he said.

The Culbertsons have a waiting list for their boot camps, which they've held for about four years. They often hold the Bible study groups at their spacious colonial house overlooking Lake Katherine.

The Sanfords asked to take part and even offered the governor's mansion as a meeting place.

Culbertson said the course is "pretty intense." He quizzes prospective participants and asks them not to start the course if they don't intend to take it seriously.

"But they both committed to doing the work," he said, "and they both did all the work."

Besides Bible readings and prayer, the Culbertsons stage what they call a "date night," where spouses interview each other. Culbertson said the boot camp is "not a marriage course, but marriages benefit from it."

"Because it challenges husbands and wives to talk about things eternal that typically we won't do unless we're in a structured environment," he said. "So it's to challenge you _ in your spiritual life, in your walk with the Lord."

Culbertson said media characterizations that Jenny Sanford kicked the governor out of their home are "pretty harsh." He noted that the children had just finished school for the summer, and that Sanford was coming off a grueling legislative session.

"There's a term we use in our couples boot camp: 'When emotions are high, discernment is low,'" he said. "And they both accepted that there was a lot of emotion where they were, obviously."

Years ago, Culbertson warned his friend about the demands and corrupting influences of public office.

When Sanford asked Culbertson to contribute to his 1994 congressional campaign, Culbertson refused. Sanford was "very offended," but Culbertson told his friend it's the rare man who can be an effective congressman and fulfill his biblical responsibilities as a husband and father.

Culbertson admits he was "crushed" to learn of his friend's betrayal.

"I hate to see anybody I love fall," he said. But he still loves Sanford, and he disagrees with those who would say the governor is unfit to lead the state.

Culbertson cannot say for sure whether any love survives between the Sanfords. But he would counsel them to stay together.

"I've seen God change hearts in ways that they can't imagine," he said. "And if I hadn't seen that over and over and over and over again, I would have no hope."

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Associated Press Writer Adam Goldman also contributed to this report.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and...
COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and...
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- diahni I'm a Fan of diahni 6 fans permalink

Yeah sure. Trouser worms plagued Sanford. So did the spectrum of his very unChristian beliefs. He screwed everybody, his family, his constituents and yes, himself. Now he wants us to grab a tissue while he burbles about his "love story." He apparently wants everyone to see him as the victim of love. It comes down to this: He had much to be thankful for in his life and he wanted more. Very human, but most of us care for others too much to be such a selfish jerk. God did not speak to Sanford. His weewee did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/03/2009

Cubby is not Governor Sanford's only spiritual advisor. Why does he have so many?

It takes a village to raise a libido.


See:


http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/sanfords-spiritual-advisor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 07/02/2009

Were Culbertson and Sanford having an affair like pastor Ted Haggard and his male prostitute friend were? Janine Driver, the body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford was more apologetic to Culbertson than to his wife Jenny and 4 sons about whoring around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 07/01/2009
- ranchero42 I'm a Fan of ranchero42 25 fans permalink
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Pardon me while I puke. If marriage is a great and wonderous estate that no one should miss out on; why does always seem wasted on the wrong people? I have no empirical evidence to prove that I have been denied relationships and promotions because of my unvarnished skepticism about wedded bliss; not knowing is bliss itself. But it seems to me if you claim the high ground on this issue you need to set a better example than...you know. Two people who look like blood relatives and who also marry tends to empower detractors who arm themselves with southern stereotypes; perhaps Gov. Sanford is guilty of confusing fear of these accusations with true love. Listen to your invisible friend, Gov. We ALL need to move on from this story that's uglier than twenty miles of storm damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 07/01/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 248 fans permalink

"Darkness?" That's a really nasty way to refer to the "other woman."

So this "spiritual advisor" was complicit in helping Sanford lie to his wife about cheating on her?

I'm sorry, but this is the age of AIDS. His lies could endanger her life. That's not something a "spiritual" man should keep quiet about.

Hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 06/30/2009
- AhnAmuru I'm a Fan of AhnAmuru 11 fans permalink
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Yeah right!

Beelzebub coerced me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 06/30/2009
- Mohanna I'm a Fan of Mohanna 5 fans permalink
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There's a picture (called self portraight) of Cuddly Cubbie in his office and over his right shoulder is a girlie calendar. Truth be told alot lot of people in SC thinks he runs a cult.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 06/30/2009

There are 2 very sad reasons for staying in a marriage - the children and "out of obedience instead of out of passion". I do not believe that passion - as we know it when we are young - stays with a marriage but there has to be more that obedience. How about trust, loyalty, intimacy, shared history, shared interests, respect and love ---?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 06/30/2009
- chayefsky I'm a Fan of chayefsky 23 fans permalink

Well said. May I just add that passion can be replaced by a warmth and tenderness that is beautiful in its own way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 06/30/2009
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I think passion leaves a marriage too often due to responsibilities, duties, and the shoulds. The erotic impulse does not survive in an environment of mundane chores and repitition. It flourishes in the secretive, unexpected, surprising environments or relationship in this case. It takes attention and planning to keep these moments alive in a marriage to keep the passion alive. What is sad about this situation is that the Governor is not thinking about what declaring all his feelings in public might be doing to his wife and children. Again he is thinking about himself and wanting the public to empathize with his torn feelings. He has not begun to make amends to his family. The first one would be to work these issues out in private sparing them the embarassment, humiliation and constant surveillance by the media.
As far as the marriage goes, people marry for all sorts of reasons. For some it's because they're marrying their best friend, or because they want to start a family, or because they want to run for higher office and they need a mate to achieve this. Sexual desire may not be a priority at these times. As Will Folks interestingly remarked, he thought the governor was asexual. Perhaps he had been cut off from his erotic life for a long time or perhaps he compartmentalized that part of this life.
Americans' fascination with love conquering all is a dream and a myth. Love and sexual relationships are complex for most people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 07/08/2009

It's pathetic to see Sanford going "middle-aged crazy" in public. He needs to step down if for no other reason to return his private life to the private sector.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 06/30/2009
- imfedup I'm a Fan of imfedup 39 fans permalink
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"Power of darkness"? Well, he did mention her tan lines . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 06/30/2009
- sus2222 I'm a Fan of sus2222 4 fans permalink

OH Yeah, the POWER of HER DARKNESS ! Its a GRIPPING STORY !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/30/2009
- hrc04 I'm a Fan of hrc04 20 fans permalink
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Darkness gripped Sanford. While Sanford gripped the curve of her hips. Can South Carolina secede?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 06/30/2009

This guy is loving the attention, and he is trying to help salvage the guv's career.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 06/30/2009

Ah! Fundamentalist Christians. They are as Christ-like as Stalin was a Marxist. They are all just egotistical maniacs who are a danger to everyone. They are also power-mad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 06/30/2009
- chayefsky I'm a Fan of chayefsky 23 fans permalink

Jenny....just one question. How could you stay with such an insufferable, eogtistical wimp for so many years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 06/30/2009
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Sanford Must Go! I just signed a petition saying that #Sanford needs to go! Add your voice at http://SanfordMustGo.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 06/30/2009
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