Spiritual Adviser: "Darkness" Gripped Sanford

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ALLEN G. BREED | June 29, 2009 06:28 AM EST | AP

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South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford gestures as he talks outside his Sullivans Island home Sunday, June 28, 2009. (AP Photo/Mary Ann Chastain)

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and-a-half-long sessions included forgiveness and "not loving your wife as Christ loved the church."

Group leader Warren "Cubby" Culbertson did not tell the other four couples what he and his wife, Susan, had known for months: The governor was having an affair with a woman in Argentina.

When Jenny Sanford confronted her husband in January after finding a letter to "Maria" among his official papers, the governor turned to Culbertson. For nearly six months, Culbertson has been the first couple's spiritual counselor _ and their secret keeper.

The Sanfords "passed" the Culbertsons' course with flying colors. A week later, Jenny Sanford asked her husband to leave their home.

In an interview with The Associated Press this weekend at his Columbia office, just blocks from the State House, Culbertson said he believed his friend when he said that this was his only marital transgression. He thinks Sanford was simply caught off guard by "the power of darkness."

Culbertson also thinks that the only thing holding his friends' marriage together right now is "their vow to God."

"Because it's not feelings _ it's not emotions," Culbertson said, the smile fading from his tanned face. "For most Christians, at some point in your marriage, if you're married long enough, you do it because that's what we're called to do _ out of obedience instead of out of passion. And I think that's where Mark and Jenny are right now."

The two men met in 1986, when Sanford was driving for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Lader and Culbertson was a campaign volunteer. Culbertson, 51, owns a court reporting business and has been described as a pillar of the capital city's Christian community.

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Culbertson helped found the Round Table, a Bible study that, according to a paper posted on the Web, offers men "a safe place to pose their questions, test their assumptions, and know that they will not be alone or stand out as a spiritual seeker." Sanford sought that spiritual refuge on at least a couple of occasions.

"God hates lawlessness and is tireless in His desire to dissuade man from his fascination with lawlessness," reads a paper titled "Cubby's Talks." "Our hearts are lions' dens of devouring lusts. Lawlessness torments righteous souls every day."

When Sanford made his tearful public confession in the lower lobby of the State House Wednesday, Culbertson was there. Sanford singled him out.

"I would consider him a spiritual giant," Sanford said, breathing heavily to stifle his sobs. "And an incredibly dear friend."

Culbertson was talking with Jenny Sanford earlier that day when he learned that his old friend had not been hiking the Appalachian Trail for six days, as he'd told staff. He had returned to Argentina.

During his 18-minute mea culpa, the governor made numerous references to "God's law" and the sin of self. They were straight out of "Cubby's Talks" and the CDs the Culbertsons used in their "boot camp."

When Sanford cited the example of King David's infidelity and fall during a meeting with his cabinet on Friday, he was also drawing on the Culbertsons' sessions.

"One of the quotes we use in our couples course is, 'You can choose your sins, but you can't choose your consequences,'" Culbertson said. "We used to use David as an example of that. Mark may be the 2009 version of a good example.

"Mark knew what David knew."

Some who watched Sanford's news conference felt he was insincere, playing to the Palmetto State's religious base to salvage his political future.

Janine Driver, a Washington, D.C.-based body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford showed more emotion when apologizing to Culbertson and longtime political aide Tom Davis than he did when speaking of his wife and four sons. She also believes he lied when a reporter asked if this was the first time he had been unfaithful.

"He answers the question before it's been asked," said Driver, who spent 15 years with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "Then what does he do? He drops both his eyes and turns his head AWAY? ... That's what's called the cold shoulder. Because we face the core of our body toward people who usually address us."

Culbertson has asked his friend that same question several times over the years _ not because he worried about it necessarily, but "just to kind of keep him accountable." It's a question occasionally asked of Culbertson.

"And I think it's something that men need to ask men who truly want to stay in line," he said.

Sanford told Culbertson he had never strayed before, and he "absolutely" believes him.

Culbertson knows that Sanford, like any man, has weaknesses. In Culbertson's view, Sanford's chief frailty was his inability to deviate from his own agenda in the political arena.

But cheating?

"Some guys are wired such that violating God's design in this area, of women, is a real challenge to them," he said. "That's not in his DNA. That's why it's such a surprise."

Even Sanford's political enemies would concede that much.

Will Folks, a former Sanford spokesman who has been excoriating his old boss in his political blog, said sex and romance "never seemed to be things that were on the governor's radar." Although he has since reported on two other alleged dalliances, Folks said this passionate love affair is "100 percent inconsistent with everything I ever saw of the man."

"I honestly thought the guy was asexual," Folks said. "I am not kidding."

In their course, the Culbertsons tell the couples _ particularly the men _ to avoid being put "in places that allow them to be more vulnerable in that area." Culbertson himself keeps his office door open when meeting with a woman and avoids dining alone with women.

In his confessional, Sanford said the relationship started as an "innocent" e-mail exchange, and Culbertson believes him.

Culbertson does not believe the other woman went out of her way to seduce a married man. When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.

"I'm not going to comment," he said.

The Culbertsons have a waiting list for their boot camps, which they've held for about four years. They often hold the Bible study groups at their spacious colonial house overlooking Lake Katherine.

The Sanfords asked to take part and even offered the governor's mansion as a meeting place.

Culbertson said the course is "pretty intense." He quizzes prospective participants and asks them not to start the course if they don't intend to take it seriously.

"But they both committed to doing the work," he said, "and they both did all the work."

Besides Bible readings and prayer, the Culbertsons stage what they call a "date night," where spouses interview each other. Culbertson said the boot camp is "not a marriage course, but marriages benefit from it."

"Because it challenges husbands and wives to talk about things eternal that typically we won't do unless we're in a structured environment," he said. "So it's to challenge you _ in your spiritual life, in your walk with the Lord."

Culbertson said media characterizations that Jenny Sanford kicked the governor out of their home are "pretty harsh." He noted that the children had just finished school for the summer, and that Sanford was coming off a grueling legislative session.

"There's a term we use in our couples boot camp: 'When emotions are high, discernment is low,'" he said. "And they both accepted that there was a lot of emotion where they were, obviously."

Years ago, Culbertson warned his friend about the demands and corrupting influences of public office.

When Sanford asked Culbertson to contribute to his 1994 congressional campaign, Culbertson refused. Sanford was "very offended," but Culbertson told his friend it's the rare man who can be an effective congressman and fulfill his biblical responsibilities as a husband and father.

Culbertson admits he was "crushed" to learn of his friend's betrayal.

"I hate to see anybody I love fall," he said. But he still loves Sanford, and he disagrees with those who would say the governor is unfit to lead the state.

Culbertson cannot say for sure whether any love survives between the Sanfords. But he would counsel them to stay together.

"I've seen God change hearts in ways that they can't imagine," he said. "And if I hadn't seen that over and over and over and over again, I would have no hope."

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Associated Press Writer Adam Goldman also contributed to this report.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and...
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Very convenient excuse isn't it, it wasn't me the darkness got me, evil got me. I see now why these guys never take responsibility for anything they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 06/29/2009

The darkness made me do it honey ... now lets get to bed and get busy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/29/2009
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I am a conservative, and I am appalled that anyone should come out and try to defend this piece of crap. He is toast, and needs to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 06/29/2009
- redsongia I'm a Fan of redsongia 100 fans permalink
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Thank you, I hope the voters voice is heard. These guys have co-opted the notion of "christianity" and "conservativism" for their easy pay checks long enough! Vote a real conservative in to office if that's what you want, not a convenient conservative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 06/29/2009
- nk007 I'm a Fan of nk007 30 fans permalink

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with being a principled conservative. Enough of these hypocritical "holier than thou" conservative who are quick to moralize about other people's sins but hide behind "the devil made me do it" whenever their indiscretions are exposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/29/2009
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A principled Conservative?!? Wow, I haven't run across many of you folks in more than a decade. Welcome back, we missed you. Here's to hoping that you and yours take your party back from the rabid reactionaries that are in charge of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 06/29/2009
- imfedup I'm a Fan of imfedup 45 fans permalink
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OXYMORON!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 06/30/2009
- Hedonist88 I'm a Fan of Hedonist88 14 fans permalink

Ahem...

What happened to "thou shalt not commit Adultery" ?

These Republican "Christian" -and I use that term very loosely - are second to none at pointing out the logs in others eyes, yet they are among the biggest hypocrites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 06/29/2009
- paulita I'm a Fan of paulita 239 fans permalink
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Yes and my comment is did Mr. Culbertson read the part of the New Testament to them where Jesus upturned the tables of the money changers for hypocrisy and false piety?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 06/29/2009
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AAAAAAAAAAmen!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 06/29/2009

Man oh man … you almost want to feel sorry! Life must be so very hard when you so want be in love with and make love to your Christian spouse (cue the tears!) but cannot help having those naaasty (!) desires to be with and to copulate with someone whose body and mind is so deliciously unchristian... But then it is so much fun to watch them ‘burn’ as they go for it while taking a break from being oh so (self)righteous… I know, this is an ‘unchristian’ statement (and attitude!) but then I am not particularly obligated here… Fun, fun, fun! (At least no civilians got incinerated in the process…)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 06/29/2009
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His wife and children were burned badly, so to speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 06/29/2009
- kbkw54 I'm a Fan of kbkw54 57 fans permalink

The funny thing is, there have been affairs befor by this guy. I am sure he "loved" all the women.LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 06/29/2009
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Love the headline (on the front page): " 'Darkness' Gripped Sanford, No Passion In Marriage Now"

Narcissistic, selfish attitude. No honeymoon lasts forever, but a marriage can ripen into a post-passionate state where man and wife (or man and man ... or woman and woman) are best of friends and warmest comrades who *sometimes share some passion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 06/29/2009

I agree with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 06/29/2009
- UpstateSC I'm a Fan of UpstateSC 17 fans permalink
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I'm waiting on Sanford to apologize to gay couples who want to marry, to apologize to Bill Clinton and to resign - from one of his employers - a tax-paying citizen of South Carolina.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 06/29/2009
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 346 fans permalink
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Are you kidding? republican's can be counted on doing ONE thing

being unaccountable for their actions and behaviour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 06/29/2009
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That's why I'm not holding my breath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 06/29/2009

I was just wondering, who died and left the Culbertsons such experts? If Mr. Culbertson believes something that Sanford said, then I guess that settles it???? They all sound like a bunch of cover ups if you ask me.
Jenny Sanford has been trying to get her husband to get onto the straight and narrow since January, and the first chance he gets, he runs to ARgentena for 5 days-- abandoning his job as Gov of the state??? She said that with or without him she would be just fine... and it seems to me that after 6 months of putting up w/ his infidelity, that she would be well justified to dump him. He would only be going through the motions anyway, because clearly his heart is not in South Carolina. And who wants a man who has no heart?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 06/29/2009
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Exactly - and Clubertson wouldn't comment when asked if he's met Maria? I bet he's been in on this long before Mrs. Sanford was...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 06/29/2009
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And THAT makes Culbertson JUST AS HYPOCRITICAL as Mark Sanford. Jenny Sandford should be elevated for her Christian response to this fiasco, and Mark Sanford should be sent packing to Argentina permanently -- rescind his American citizenship and make himn face God's judgement in the "sin country" he (Sanford) chose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 06/29/2009
- nk007 I'm a Fan of nk007 30 fans permalink

He planned on being away with his Maria for 10 days! He just cut it short because of all the publicity about his disappearance. I am really surprised that the media did not pin him on that. He also probably would not have clean about the affair if the STATE paper had not forced his hand by threatening to reveal, and publicly ask him about, his love e-mails.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 06/29/2009
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Egads! Gripped by Darkness! The GOP "Rosemary's Baby", is it?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 06/29/2009
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Not even Stephen Colbert can exorcise his demons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 06/29/2009
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Now there is a baby involved?

OH NO what will we ever do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 06/29/2009
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Well, Nikola Tesla would know!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 07/01/2009
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Sounds like he's ready to trade up. Every other Republican (Gingrich, Limbaugh, McCain, etc.) had done it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 06/29/2009
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so did A H

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 06/29/2009
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This boot camp drivel is nauseating.

The truth appears closer to point on Culbertson's grin and no comment upon being asked if he'd ever met Maria.

Surprising people buy the tripe from these peddlers.

This is not about faith, it is about ego. It is just that Sanford got reckless and now all of this is in the public eye with layers of lies and hypocrisy now swinging back like a boomerang at the ever self righteous Sanford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 06/29/2009

I wonder what the "boot camps" cost.....?

What utter poppycock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 06/29/2009
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Another failed Republican hiding behind jebus, y'all.

Darkness was not what he gripped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 06/29/2009
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Your right.
BTW-your icon is freaking me out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 06/29/2009
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Don't you know that women are the darkness? It all comes down to blaming his wife or blaming his mistress if you read into what this guy is saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 06/29/2009
- quad1200 I'm a Fan of quad1200 3 fans permalink

realone-it's not woman it's women. This is not his first and only affair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 06/29/2009
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It sounds like Culbertson is sending a message to Maria for "KIng" Sanford.
(When asked if he had ever met Maria, Culbertson refused to comment. Hmmm)
Paraphrasing:
"No emotional feelings, no nooky, etc. holding Jenny & Mark together."

I mean why else come forward with his comments which don't help Mark & Jenny
but do send a clear message to Maria?
Is Culbertson, now, the contact person for them?
Should we expect weekly updates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 06/29/2009
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