Spiritual Adviser: "Darkness" Gripped Sanford

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ALLEN G. BREED | June 29, 2009 06:28 AM EST | AP

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South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford gestures as he talks outside his Sullivans Island home Sunday, June 28, 2009. (AP Photo/Mary Ann Chastain)

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and-a-half-long sessions included forgiveness and "not loving your wife as Christ loved the church."

Group leader Warren "Cubby" Culbertson did not tell the other four couples what he and his wife, Susan, had known for months: The governor was having an affair with a woman in Argentina.

When Jenny Sanford confronted her husband in January after finding a letter to "Maria" among his official papers, the governor turned to Culbertson. For nearly six months, Culbertson has been the first couple's spiritual counselor _ and their secret keeper.

The Sanfords "passed" the Culbertsons' course with flying colors. A week later, Jenny Sanford asked her husband to leave their home.

In an interview with The Associated Press this weekend at his Columbia office, just blocks from the State House, Culbertson said he believed his friend when he said that this was his only marital transgression. He thinks Sanford was simply caught off guard by "the power of darkness."

Culbertson also thinks that the only thing holding his friends' marriage together right now is "their vow to God."

"Because it's not feelings _ it's not emotions," Culbertson said, the smile fading from his tanned face. "For most Christians, at some point in your marriage, if you're married long enough, you do it because that's what we're called to do _ out of obedience instead of out of passion. And I think that's where Mark and Jenny are right now."

The two men met in 1986, when Sanford was driving for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Lader and Culbertson was a campaign volunteer. Culbertson, 51, owns a court reporting business and has been described as a pillar of the capital city's Christian community.

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Culbertson helped found the Round Table, a Bible study that, according to a paper posted on the Web, offers men "a safe place to pose their questions, test their assumptions, and know that they will not be alone or stand out as a spiritual seeker." Sanford sought that spiritual refuge on at least a couple of occasions.

"God hates lawlessness and is tireless in His desire to dissuade man from his fascination with lawlessness," reads a paper titled "Cubby's Talks." "Our hearts are lions' dens of devouring lusts. Lawlessness torments righteous souls every day."

When Sanford made his tearful public confession in the lower lobby of the State House Wednesday, Culbertson was there. Sanford singled him out.

"I would consider him a spiritual giant," Sanford said, breathing heavily to stifle his sobs. "And an incredibly dear friend."

Culbertson was talking with Jenny Sanford earlier that day when he learned that his old friend had not been hiking the Appalachian Trail for six days, as he'd told staff. He had returned to Argentina.

During his 18-minute mea culpa, the governor made numerous references to "God's law" and the sin of self. They were straight out of "Cubby's Talks" and the CDs the Culbertsons used in their "boot camp."

When Sanford cited the example of King David's infidelity and fall during a meeting with his cabinet on Friday, he was also drawing on the Culbertsons' sessions.

"One of the quotes we use in our couples course is, 'You can choose your sins, but you can't choose your consequences,'" Culbertson said. "We used to use David as an example of that. Mark may be the 2009 version of a good example.

"Mark knew what David knew."

Some who watched Sanford's news conference felt he was insincere, playing to the Palmetto State's religious base to salvage his political future.

Janine Driver, a Washington, D.C.-based body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford showed more emotion when apologizing to Culbertson and longtime political aide Tom Davis than he did when speaking of his wife and four sons. She also believes he lied when a reporter asked if this was the first time he had been unfaithful.

"He answers the question before it's been asked," said Driver, who spent 15 years with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "Then what does he do? He drops both his eyes and turns his head AWAY? ... That's what's called the cold shoulder. Because we face the core of our body toward people who usually address us."

Culbertson has asked his friend that same question several times over the years _ not because he worried about it necessarily, but "just to kind of keep him accountable." It's a question occasionally asked of Culbertson.

"And I think it's something that men need to ask men who truly want to stay in line," he said.

Sanford told Culbertson he had never strayed before, and he "absolutely" believes him.

Culbertson knows that Sanford, like any man, has weaknesses. In Culbertson's view, Sanford's chief frailty was his inability to deviate from his own agenda in the political arena.

But cheating?

"Some guys are wired such that violating God's design in this area, of women, is a real challenge to them," he said. "That's not in his DNA. That's why it's such a surprise."

Even Sanford's political enemies would concede that much.

Will Folks, a former Sanford spokesman who has been excoriating his old boss in his political blog, said sex and romance "never seemed to be things that were on the governor's radar." Although he has since reported on two other alleged dalliances, Folks said this passionate love affair is "100 percent inconsistent with everything I ever saw of the man."

"I honestly thought the guy was asexual," Folks said. "I am not kidding."

In their course, the Culbertsons tell the couples _ particularly the men _ to avoid being put "in places that allow them to be more vulnerable in that area." Culbertson himself keeps his office door open when meeting with a woman and avoids dining alone with women.

In his confessional, Sanford said the relationship started as an "innocent" e-mail exchange, and Culbertson believes him.

Culbertson does not believe the other woman went out of her way to seduce a married man. When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.

"I'm not going to comment," he said.

The Culbertsons have a waiting list for their boot camps, which they've held for about four years. They often hold the Bible study groups at their spacious colonial house overlooking Lake Katherine.

The Sanfords asked to take part and even offered the governor's mansion as a meeting place.

Culbertson said the course is "pretty intense." He quizzes prospective participants and asks them not to start the course if they don't intend to take it seriously.

"But they both committed to doing the work," he said, "and they both did all the work."

Besides Bible readings and prayer, the Culbertsons stage what they call a "date night," where spouses interview each other. Culbertson said the boot camp is "not a marriage course, but marriages benefit from it."

"Because it challenges husbands and wives to talk about things eternal that typically we won't do unless we're in a structured environment," he said. "So it's to challenge you _ in your spiritual life, in your walk with the Lord."

Culbertson said media characterizations that Jenny Sanford kicked the governor out of their home are "pretty harsh." He noted that the children had just finished school for the summer, and that Sanford was coming off a grueling legislative session.

"There's a term we use in our couples boot camp: 'When emotions are high, discernment is low,'" he said. "And they both accepted that there was a lot of emotion where they were, obviously."

Years ago, Culbertson warned his friend about the demands and corrupting influences of public office.

When Sanford asked Culbertson to contribute to his 1994 congressional campaign, Culbertson refused. Sanford was "very offended," but Culbertson told his friend it's the rare man who can be an effective congressman and fulfill his biblical responsibilities as a husband and father.

Culbertson admits he was "crushed" to learn of his friend's betrayal.

"I hate to see anybody I love fall," he said. But he still loves Sanford, and he disagrees with those who would say the governor is unfit to lead the state.

Culbertson cannot say for sure whether any love survives between the Sanfords. But he would counsel them to stay together.

"I've seen God change hearts in ways that they can't imagine," he said. "And if I hadn't seen that over and over and over and over again, I would have no hope."

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Associated Press Writer Adam Goldman also contributed to this report.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and...
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"Darkness warshed over the Dude, darker'n a black steer's tookus on a moonless prairie night. There was no bottom."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 06/29/2009
- Whitley2009 I'm a Fan of Whitley2009 130 fans permalink
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He was in an irrecoverably dark, total eclipse without hope of day. Only Cubby, his court reporter and spiritual leader, could wade through the darkness and salvage his and Maria's souls and the souls of . . . . . . . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 06/29/2009
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 346 fans permalink
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Beware the POWER OF DARKNESS / LOVE for it is like an hourglass, hips and all -

for as the heart fills

the mind empties

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 06/29/2009
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the affair isn't so creepy as lying to eveyone in his state about where he was I would HATE to be a member of this man's poor family or STATE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/29/2009
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To really tie the knot do it on father's day. Way to go for family values.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/29/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 172 fans permalink
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Tender meat,Maria is tenderizing your soul,crying for five days,how you can be effective?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 06/29/2009
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gee, I suppose we are gonna see him and his pastor refer to the women as "the DEVIL that made me do it" yep, blame it on the evil seductriss! not the weak and narcissistic man

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 06/29/2009
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Yup you got it. That insults men who have control and don't want to hurt or destroy their marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 06/29/2009
- KOisGod I'm a Fan of KOisGod 346 fans permalink
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I guess the republican's mantra, DRILL BABY DRILL, ain't just about oil....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 06/29/2009
- Sparty1 I'm a Fan of Sparty1 19 fans permalink

Too dang gone funny! Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 06/29/2009
- ReealOne I'm a Fan of ReealOne 83 fans permalink
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LMAO! This is priceless!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 06/29/2009
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two thumbs up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 06/29/2009
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That's why they phrased it that way. They knew it would make all the Repub men swoon when Palin said it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/30/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 172 fans permalink
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Ron Christie a Republican pundit is calling for Sanford resignation,OMG ,
first time I agreed with him.

Leave please,resign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 06/29/2009
- paulita I'm a Fan of paulita 239 fans permalink
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Even so, I wish they would stop putting that dude on tv.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 06/29/2009
- ObamAtomic I'm a Fan of ObamAtomic 172 fans permalink
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I know ,you are right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 06/29/2009
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Ah, the mystical "power of darkness". I'm guessing it was this power of darkness that caused Gov. Sanford to spit upon the gay community for his entire political career. I have ZERO empathy for this hypocritical bigot. Even before this scandal, he was unfit to be governor. That requires compassion for ALL of your citizens, not just the straight religious ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 06/29/2009

Oh Puleese. When Dems screw up, it's heinous. But when Repubs screw up (or around), it's "human frailty." Give me a break.

When the Repub party has to resort to adultery to appear human, it's a sad state of affairs... :-)

And what kind of spiritual advisor is this Culbertson, who pretended to give spiritual guidance to Susan while outright lying to her and supporting her husband's cover-up? His flock should scatter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 06/29/2009
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Such tender, heartwrenching frailty at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 06/29/2009

I totally agree. And why is it always the politicians who thump their Bibles the loudest who get caught in these extramarital liaisons? This is not a crisis of faith for pete's sake - the guy fell in love with another woman. He probably married his wife because he thought she would be good for his career and now realizes that she just doesn't do it for him anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 06/29/2009
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Mark Sanford said: "Part of walking humbly is you've got to listen to your critics out there".

Is it just me, but am I the ONLY one who doesn't see one humble bone in Mark Sanford's body, since he was caught and forced to confess? Someone "saying" they're "humble" does not make them so.

What I see is a man who some would say had it all.... and because of some HUGE mistakes he made trying to "cover" his tracks in his illicit affair, is sorry that he got caught... and THAT is what I see him beating himself up about.

What's puzzling to me is how everyone believes that Mark Sanford says that he knew his "woman" for 8 yrs, and ONLY started a relationship in the past yr. He must be marveling at how easy it was/is to deceive everyone. All he has to do is "appear" contrite.

Here is a man who defied his wife's demand that he not see his "woman", which he did anyway, even though it was over Father's day weekend, didn't bother to make sure that state business could be handled in his absense with no way to contact him, used state funds to pay for his trips to see his "woman", and risked his entire career and future to do so.... How could ANYONE think that in less that a week.... this illicit relationship is OVER!! Oh boy, how gullible folks are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 06/29/2009
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So Cubby the course teacher knew they were having marital problems, lied to the members of his "coven", and still the governor and his wife passed the christian class with "flying colors" a week before the governor's wife asked him to move out. That's quite a class-- very honest and christian.

HORRIBLE NO VALUES FRAUDS ONE AND ALL!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 06/29/2009
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So what you are saying is his counseling was based on lies since he did not tell Jenny that Mark was
cheating?
My oh my, what a surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 06/29/2009
- Sparty1 I'm a Fan of Sparty1 19 fans permalink

Jenny just put him out 3 wks ago. They were in that class from Jan - May. Remember she said she knew about this for 5 months. I think blukazoo is calling Cubby out for acting like everyone was just fine when they (Cubby/Sanfords) knew that he was cheating and not being called on the carpet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 06/29/2009
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Jenny is a smart woman_if you look at her background,education,the power behind getting his butt elected,keeping four boys intact,etc...Let's hope she uses that smartness and get the hell out of this nasty man's life.Idea:Maybe she can be Gov...I like that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 06/29/2009

Really, 20 year marriage, 4 kids, some of them approaching adolescence, a Governorship, bills, responsibilities and no passion to boot. And we should feel sorry for you, why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 06/29/2009
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Oh, and another thing, RE SIGN!!! Your political career is over and it's time to practice what you preached.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 06/29/2009
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What a crock and oh by the way, since you are a Christian, not a problem, we'll let it go and forgive you Sanford, Vitter, Craig, Ensign, Newt.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 06/29/2009
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