Spiritual Adviser: "Darkness" Gripped Sanford

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ALLEN G. BREED | June 29, 2009 06:28 AM EST | AP

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South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford gestures as he talks outside his Sullivans Island home Sunday, June 28, 2009. (AP Photo/Mary Ann Chastain)

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and-a-half-long sessions included forgiveness and "not loving your wife as Christ loved the church."

Group leader Warren "Cubby" Culbertson did not tell the other four couples what he and his wife, Susan, had known for months: The governor was having an affair with a woman in Argentina.

When Jenny Sanford confronted her husband in January after finding a letter to "Maria" among his official papers, the governor turned to Culbertson. For nearly six months, Culbertson has been the first couple's spiritual counselor _ and their secret keeper.

The Sanfords "passed" the Culbertsons' course with flying colors. A week later, Jenny Sanford asked her husband to leave their home.

In an interview with The Associated Press this weekend at his Columbia office, just blocks from the State House, Culbertson said he believed his friend when he said that this was his only marital transgression. He thinks Sanford was simply caught off guard by "the power of darkness."

Culbertson also thinks that the only thing holding his friends' marriage together right now is "their vow to God."

"Because it's not feelings _ it's not emotions," Culbertson said, the smile fading from his tanned face. "For most Christians, at some point in your marriage, if you're married long enough, you do it because that's what we're called to do _ out of obedience instead of out of passion. And I think that's where Mark and Jenny are right now."

The two men met in 1986, when Sanford was driving for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Phil Lader and Culbertson was a campaign volunteer. Culbertson, 51, owns a court reporting business and has been described as a pillar of the capital city's Christian community.

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Culbertson helped found the Round Table, a Bible study that, according to a paper posted on the Web, offers men "a safe place to pose their questions, test their assumptions, and know that they will not be alone or stand out as a spiritual seeker." Sanford sought that spiritual refuge on at least a couple of occasions.

"God hates lawlessness and is tireless in His desire to dissuade man from his fascination with lawlessness," reads a paper titled "Cubby's Talks." "Our hearts are lions' dens of devouring lusts. Lawlessness torments righteous souls every day."

When Sanford made his tearful public confession in the lower lobby of the State House Wednesday, Culbertson was there. Sanford singled him out.

"I would consider him a spiritual giant," Sanford said, breathing heavily to stifle his sobs. "And an incredibly dear friend."

Culbertson was talking with Jenny Sanford earlier that day when he learned that his old friend had not been hiking the Appalachian Trail for six days, as he'd told staff. He had returned to Argentina.

During his 18-minute mea culpa, the governor made numerous references to "God's law" and the sin of self. They were straight out of "Cubby's Talks" and the CDs the Culbertsons used in their "boot camp."

When Sanford cited the example of King David's infidelity and fall during a meeting with his cabinet on Friday, he was also drawing on the Culbertsons' sessions.

"One of the quotes we use in our couples course is, 'You can choose your sins, but you can't choose your consequences,'" Culbertson said. "We used to use David as an example of that. Mark may be the 2009 version of a good example.

"Mark knew what David knew."

Some who watched Sanford's news conference felt he was insincere, playing to the Palmetto State's religious base to salvage his political future.

Janine Driver, a Washington, D.C.-based body language and deception detection expert, said Sanford showed more emotion when apologizing to Culbertson and longtime political aide Tom Davis than he did when speaking of his wife and four sons. She also believes he lied when a reporter asked if this was the first time he had been unfaithful.

"He answers the question before it's been asked," said Driver, who spent 15 years with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. "Then what does he do? He drops both his eyes and turns his head AWAY? ... That's what's called the cold shoulder. Because we face the core of our body toward people who usually address us."

Culbertson has asked his friend that same question several times over the years _ not because he worried about it necessarily, but "just to kind of keep him accountable." It's a question occasionally asked of Culbertson.

"And I think it's something that men need to ask men who truly want to stay in line," he said.

Sanford told Culbertson he had never strayed before, and he "absolutely" believes him.

Culbertson knows that Sanford, like any man, has weaknesses. In Culbertson's view, Sanford's chief frailty was his inability to deviate from his own agenda in the political arena.

But cheating?

"Some guys are wired such that violating God's design in this area, of women, is a real challenge to them," he said. "That's not in his DNA. That's why it's such a surprise."

Even Sanford's political enemies would concede that much.

Will Folks, a former Sanford spokesman who has been excoriating his old boss in his political blog, said sex and romance "never seemed to be things that were on the governor's radar." Although he has since reported on two other alleged dalliances, Folks said this passionate love affair is "100 percent inconsistent with everything I ever saw of the man."

"I honestly thought the guy was asexual," Folks said. "I am not kidding."

In their course, the Culbertsons tell the couples _ particularly the men _ to avoid being put "in places that allow them to be more vulnerable in that area." Culbertson himself keeps his office door open when meeting with a woman and avoids dining alone with women.

In his confessional, Sanford said the relationship started as an "innocent" e-mail exchange, and Culbertson believes him.

Culbertson does not believe the other woman went out of her way to seduce a married man. When asked if he had met Maria, Culbertson paused, then looked up, an embarrassed smile creasing his face.

"I'm not going to comment," he said.

The Culbertsons have a waiting list for their boot camps, which they've held for about four years. They often hold the Bible study groups at their spacious colonial house overlooking Lake Katherine.

The Sanfords asked to take part and even offered the governor's mansion as a meeting place.

Culbertson said the course is "pretty intense." He quizzes prospective participants and asks them not to start the course if they don't intend to take it seriously.

"But they both committed to doing the work," he said, "and they both did all the work."

Besides Bible readings and prayer, the Culbertsons stage what they call a "date night," where spouses interview each other. Culbertson said the boot camp is "not a marriage course, but marriages benefit from it."

"Because it challenges husbands and wives to talk about things eternal that typically we won't do unless we're in a structured environment," he said. "So it's to challenge you _ in your spiritual life, in your walk with the Lord."

Culbertson said media characterizations that Jenny Sanford kicked the governor out of their home are "pretty harsh." He noted that the children had just finished school for the summer, and that Sanford was coming off a grueling legislative session.

"There's a term we use in our couples boot camp: 'When emotions are high, discernment is low,'" he said. "And they both accepted that there was a lot of emotion where they were, obviously."

Years ago, Culbertson warned his friend about the demands and corrupting influences of public office.

When Sanford asked Culbertson to contribute to his 1994 congressional campaign, Culbertson refused. Sanford was "very offended," but Culbertson told his friend it's the rare man who can be an effective congressman and fulfill his biblical responsibilities as a husband and father.

Culbertson admits he was "crushed" to learn of his friend's betrayal.

"I hate to see anybody I love fall," he said. But he still loves Sanford, and he disagrees with those who would say the governor is unfit to lead the state.

Culbertson cannot say for sure whether any love survives between the Sanfords. But he would counsel them to stay together.

"I've seen God change hearts in ways that they can't imagine," he said. "And if I hadn't seen that over and over and over and over again, I would have no hope."

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Associated Press Writer Adam Goldman also contributed to this report.

COLUMBIA, S.C. — Each Sunday afternoon in May, Gov. Mark Sanford and his wife hosted five other couples at the executive mansion for a spiritual "boot camp." Topics discussed during the hour-and...
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Right...the power of darkness made Sanford do it. Oh please!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 06/29/2009

Roflol. Only in jesusland would arrogance and randiness be described as the dark side. Merely another moral hypocrite seeking an excuse - particularly after his condemnation of Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 06/29/2009
- quad1200 I'm a Fan of quad1200 3 fans permalink

If one has introduced his Mistress to his Spiritual Adviser, I would say the Spiritual Adviser just might not be giving the best advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 06/29/2009
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Exactly right. The Gov. is ready to bail, he came back for his pension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 06/29/2009
- BobSF94117 I'm a Fan of BobSF94117 12 fans permalink

Hey, I'm no expert, but it strikes me that a little less Bible-study and a little more foreplay would go a long way in keeping the marital flame going...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 06/29/2009
- oregonbird I'm a Fan of oregonbird 67 fans permalink
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Darn. I meant to include these bits from wiki -- the source of all noledge!

"Surveys of surface finds aimed at tracing settlement patterns and population changes have shown that during the period of the biblical kingdoms of David and Solomon, the entire population of the hill country of Judah was no more than 5,000 persons, most of them wandering pastoralists, in an area consisting of about twenty small villages."

So! David -- little frog in a little pond, or possibly even no more than a well-connected hill bandit who took over Jeruselum and held it against everyone, including his own sons.

"The question of David's historicity becomes the reliability of 1st and 2nd Samuel alone, books compiled no earlier than the late 7th century BC, but incorporating earlier works and fragments. The original writers show a strong bias against Saul, and in favour of David and Solomon. Many years later, the Deuteronomists edited the material in a manner that conveyed their religious message, inserting reports and anecdotes that strengthened their monotheistic doctrine."

Who wouldn't take it as gospel, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 06/29/2009

Not to mention that Solomon had hundreds of concubines...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/29/2009
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Kingdom with 5,000 subjects. Sheepherders circling 20 small villages. Not a lot of agriculture, but a decent amount of trading. Tell me, even spreading those hundreds of women out, or just anointing them as his and leaving them where they're found, and counting the imports -- how are these hundreds of basically non-producing wives supported by that population? Getting pregnant is out, unless he's in town. So they aren't adding to the work force or much, if anything to the GNP. Not to mention, they used to start wars just to get enough women to keep their tribes populated -- death back then took quite the bite out of rural populations without medical insurance. So losing hundreds of viable wombs? Yeah, not likely.

I'd say the bible was polishing old Solomon's apples, wouldn't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 06/29/2009
- Lyr I'm a Fan of Lyr 35 fans permalink

The Deuteronomists took out alot of stuff, they had a radical monothiestic agenda, and largely succeeded. Today however evidence is bieng discovered that undoes thier heavy handed editing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 06/29/2009
- Rescisco I'm a Fan of Rescisco 80 fans permalink

"Sanford was simply caught off guard by the power of darkness."

Right - The devil (in his pants) made him do it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 06/29/2009
- Pegi I'm a Fan of Pegi 47 fans permalink

bingo!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 06/29/2009
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Hypocrite!

You can fall flat on your face and recover,apologize to Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 06/29/2009
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It wasn't darkness that gripped him, it was Maria's hand. Or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 06/29/2009
- Naville I'm a Fan of Naville 3 fans permalink

It seems to me that his spritual adviser gave sanford all the excuses to keep on cheating on his wife.

Instead of telling him; hey what you are doing is wrong, it has consequences, do not come back to me and expect to be your friend if you need excuses for your infidiltiy.

The spritual adviser keeps talking to him about how men tend to have a weak soul and the " power of darkness" stuff. How even david cheated ( I do not believe that) and still remaind a man of god.

So, sanford has been given a spritual excuses to his lust and desires, but still it is his conduct that
crossed the morality and ruined his family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 06/29/2009
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Ever heard of Bathsheba? David's love squeeze. Just how do you "not believe that" when its in the frickin' bible?

Do me a favor. How about just "not believing" that god wants war, and gays to die of aids, and our children to remain ignorant? Then vote only for politicians who follow those guidelines. Thanks, that helps. You're still a brickload shy, but it helps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 06/29/2009
- Naville I'm a Fan of Naville 3 fans permalink

I mean, I do not believe all the contents in the bible.

But, I know the story and your point

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 06/29/2009
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If a marriage is dead, by all means keep it going because that's what "God" wants. Maybe God would prefer you to be honest instead of codependent. What kind of message does it send to your kids when you stay in a lifeless marriage and then act out in an affair. Even without the affair, take responsibility for a marriage that needs to end, that's the message to send to your kids. They need healthy role models, not codependent ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 06/29/2009
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Something certainly gripped something, but I'm not sure what "darkness" had to do with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 06/29/2009
- HDR I'm a Fan of HDR 11 fans permalink

Hows does cubby reconcile being dishonest to Mrs. Sanford when he knew what he knew? It seems like he put his loyalty to his pal over the loyalty to what is right and moral. They are all hypocrites to the core!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/29/2009
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And loyalty to his pal lasted right up until someone from the media asked him to tell all. Go, Cubby, go!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 06/29/2009

Yeahhh, Man need passion. Woman can fake, even she don't feel. Otherwise, Man gotta look...outside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 06/29/2009

"Darkness" Gripped Sanford" LOL

More like Horniness Gripped him....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 06/29/2009

LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 06/29/2009
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The devil is a convenient scapegoat. If he didn't exist, we would have made him up. Oh, we did make him up, didn't we.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 06/29/2009

By the way, has anyone checked to see if "good ole cubby" has a cloven hoof? It does not sound like he was giving Sanfordized the most spiritually sound advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 06/29/2009

And about that passed the meetings with flying colors!, but the teacher/preacher who by the way is most closest to G-, knew about the affair for awhile as well....that was a really good laugh!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 06/29/2009
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