Climate Change Bill Fight Just Beginning

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First Posted: 06-30-09 06:19 PM   |   Updated: 07-31-09 05:12 AM

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The climate change bill passed by the House of Representatives on Friday was only the first step towards achieving major environmental policy reform. As historic as the moment might have seemed, the bill still faces huge obstacles before becoming law.

The measure, sponsored by Reps. Henry Waxman (R-Calif.) and Ed Markey (D-Mass.), passed with a close 219-to-212 margin and came only after massive arm-twisting by the White House and Democratic leadership. And even then, 44 Democrats voted against the measure. Only eight Republicans crossed the aisle to vote for it.

Such a margin could be deadly in the Senate, where the bill is headed next and where it is expected that the GOP will filibuster -- requiring 60 votes for the bill to pass. With Sens. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) and Robert Byrd (D-W.V.) unlikely to participate and moderate Democrats potentially on the fence, the party will have to turn to moderate Republicans to add a few votes. For this to happen, observers say they have two options: Either weaken the bill's restrictions on carbon dioxide emissions or ramp up internal lobbying efforts on fence-straddling senators.

Either plan could backfire. Mike Lux, a highly respected strategist within the progressive community and former adviser to Bill Clinton, warned against tinkering with the environmental regulations that the House established. "If you give away too much to senators, you end up having a bill that not only doesn't help very much but ends up hurting you," Lux told the Huffington Post. "So I think it's a pretty careful balancing act that they're going to have to think through and work through."

"If it was left to my devices," continued Lux, "I'd say screw [tinkering with the] legislation -- let's just do everything we can to continue building the political pressure on folks." He added that Democrats should be "extremely focused on not moving backward in terms of environmental regulations."

If that's the strategy Democrats decide to pursue, the targets are obvious.

"It's got to be a mix of both [parties]," said Lux. "[Maine Senators] Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins are actually going to be easier to get than some of the Democrats," including Sen. Mary Landrieu (La.), whose support will be elusive due to the influence of the fossil fuel industry. Then there's the basic philosophical hostility that some "centrist" Democrats feel toward government involvement in environmental policy, which could compel them to oppose the measure.

Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson is "as conservative as Republicans like Snowe and Collins -- maybe more," said Lux.

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The seating of Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) will help. But what will it take to win Republican support?

"This will be very tough," John Pitney, political science professor at Claremont McKenna College and former Republican operative, said to the Huffington Post. "There are very few Republicans that might vote for this," he continued, naming Senators Snowe, Collins and George Voinovich of Ohio among the possibilities.

The price tag and possibility of a tax increase to pay for the provisions may be a deal breaker for conservatives, Pitney added. "They need to be convinced that the cost is manageable... The tax issue resonates more than the environment issue."

So far, Republicans have shown little enthusiasm for the bill. House Minority Leader John Boehner decried the legislation as "a pile of shit." Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) branded climate change a "hoax" and earned a round of applause from his colleagues.

Noting these objections, Pitney argued that a passable bill might require environmental regulations to be watered down even further. "The House bill in its current form would be a long shot," he said.

GOP leaders are nervous about the passage of this bill, and as the Huffington Post reported, the conservative base might be willing to target members of the party who support the measure.

But changing the legislation too drastically could backfire. Already, some environmentalists say that the legislation's regulations on greenhouse gases are too weak. The Environmental News Network has criticized its "plentiful polluter permits, weak renewable electricity goals, and low carbon emission reduction targets." Greenpeace deputy campaigns director Carroll Muffett said that "this bill is worse than nothing."

That said, there is some room for Democrats to maneuver. While environmental advocates share some of Muffett's concerns, many consider the legislation a vital step toward achieving a clean energy economy.

"Politically, we cannot afford to lose," said Ivan Frishberg, political director for Environment America. "A loss for this really sets us back. The momentum from victory on a weak bill at least gives us momentum to keep working to do more of this. But a loss on something like this really sets us back for years and years and years to come."

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- Avanti2 I'm a Fan of Avanti2 6 fans permalink

This Climate Bill that passed in the House is by far the largest Federal Power Grab in History.

There is a provision in the Bill that Mandates that ALL Roofs Reflect more of the solar heat back to the atmosphere than is absorbed. What does this mean? Well, ALL roofs will have to be a very light almost white color or they will have to be metal to meet the standard. This is not just for new construction but for ALL resales. Thus, before you can sell your house, it will have to be re-roofed. Typical cost here in the South for a re - roof job on a typical 3 b/r home is $9,000 to $13,000.

Another provision in the Bill requires an Energy Audit of the Home before it can be sold. Any areas found deficient will have to be upgraded BEFORE it can be sold. For a typical house that is over 8 years old, the ceiling insulation would have to be upgraded and new energy efficient windows and doors will have to be installed. Thecost here in Florida for added insulation would be $5,000 to $9,000 and retrofit windows and doors $9,000 to $12,000 -- for a 2200 to 2600 sq. ft. 3 b/r home.

This is BIG BROTHER to the MAX . Sort of like HAL in 2001.

These three items alone would cost a Minimum of $23,000 for a typical 3 b/r Florida home BEFORE it could be approved for sale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/02/2009
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The cons are going to hang this thing like an albatross around the necks of all who support it.

With the momentum of public opinion shifting away from AGW (green fatigue), perceived attacks on the economy will be a major factor in 2010. Unfortunately this bill does not have the real environment bang for the buck, but it has more of the taxes, regulations and government power grabs that the people are fed up with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/01/2009
- cjt1957 I'm a Fan of cjt1957 18 fans permalink

I just wish they would decide if the temp is going up or down. Of course it has been going down for the last 8 years, so they changed to climate change from golbal warming. So if it is cooling don't we need more green house gas/ Just kidding, of course Gore and his "scientists" have absolutly no idea....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 07/01/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 48 fans permalink

The chief executive of Exxon Mobil Corp. for the first time called on Congress to enact a tax!! on greenhouse-gas emissions in order to fight global warming.

In a speech in Washington, Rex Tillerson said that a tax was a "more direct, a more transparent and a more effective approach" to curtailing greenhouse gases than other plans popular in Congress and with the incoming Obama administration.

"My greatest concern is that policy makers will attempt to mandate or ordain solutions that are doomed to fail," Mr. Tillerson said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 07/01/2009
- blimie I'm a Fan of blimie 13 fans permalink

This cap and trade bill is a sham that is going to cost Americans through the nose. Why is this story not front page news, it's buried in the green section with very few facts and a lot of pushing for the bill to be passed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 07/01/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Gotta love Obama saying, yes costs will go up, but it's not taxes, it's a pass through. The taxes are on the industry not the people, even though the industry passes through to the people. Love the logic. Change is in the thesaurus, not the actions. They now say, yes, health care costs will increase, but they would have anyhow due to inflation?
Hang on to your pocket books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 07/01/2009

we need to start building the next generation IFR nuclear plants that we would've had already if they didnt get their funding cut in 94. everyone else is about to start using the technology we developed but we arent. thats just swell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 07/01/2009
- mioffe I'm a Fan of mioffe 10 fans permalink

Dear fairtaxplease:
We must reevaluate science of global warming, free it from politic from any sides.
Solar cells, wind, geothermal, nuclear source of energy are disasters for environment and will bring to GW more damage than good things.
Our Government has poor understanding of GW, reasons for it and how to escape GW if it will occur.
GHG do not play significant role in nature.
Properties of water actually cool the air, despite water vapor is also GHG.
It is shame for world science to provide Governments in the world with wrong recomendation.

Sun is only one nuclear power plant, which will work for millions years and mankind no need to worry about its waste, or proliferation, or others form of disasters. Energy from sun is more than enough for earth population. Growing trees as source of energy is the cheapest way to produce energy compare with others today solutions.
Without any doubt it will be as environmentally as production friendly direction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/02/2009
- mioffe I'm a Fan of mioffe 10 fans permalink

Before any fighting all Senators and Congresmen (women) need to reevaluate science of GW.

GHG ARE NOT MAIN PLAYERS IN NATURE!
PROPERTIES OF WATER ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ALL GHG, INCLUDING CO2, despite that water vapor is also GHG.

It is shame for world science, which provide Governments in the world with wrong directions and explanation.

Everyone with 9 grade education and determination to understand could come to the same conclussion as me.

Unfortunately most people in the world, including many in this site prefer to believe information, because famous people as Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair, Tom Friedman share this information in the mass media of the world. INFORMATION IS NOT A KNOWLEDGE, IT IS ONLY INFORMATION WHAT CELEBRITIES ARE THINKING ABOUT GW.

Despite they are majority, please remember, how many famous persons in history gather majority of people in their time. History show that majority were wrong many times.

AL GORE, SCIENTISTS WHO SUPPORT HIM ARE WRONG, MASS MEDIA IN THE WORLD IS WRONG.

PLEASE FOUND COURAGE IN YOUR MIND TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE WRONG AND WHY?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 07/01/2009
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 72 fans permalink
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any luck with onevoice mioffe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 07/01/2009
- mioffe I'm a Fan of mioffe 10 fans permalink

Dear fumes, I do not know. If you have opportunity tell him that I found site, where production of wood crops is 5 dry ton/acre/year, 8 dry ton/acre/year and even
12 dry ton/acre/year.
5 dry ton/acre/year is enough to feed USA need for energy in projected 2010 year.
We need grow trees during 100 years on 300,000,000 acres and harvest every year from 3,000,000 acres. If we will use wood in small power plants we could use as electricity, as heat and in this case need for energy will be at least 4 times less.
Please keep attention on soot. It is not joke. Soot is very important in GW, despite it is always changing and difficult to calculate in every model, the same as water vapor, water droplets, reduction of reflection of direct sun radiation back to cosmos, by tilling, growing crops, building roads etc.
You are the first, who at least for me pay attention on soot.
Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 07/02/2009

India will not comply with any climate change rules, its non negotiable. you can bet your but that China wont either.

fact of the matter is we could've significantly reduced our dependence on coal had the left not stopped nuclear power development.

nuclear is the best option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 07/01/2009

This is not the change I supported during the election, somebody is flip floppin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/01/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 48 fans permalink

church of global warming is automatically a heretic and that no evidence whatsoever needs to even be presented to counter their sacrilege, but here in the real world we prefer to stick to the facts.

Empirical satellite data shows that mean global temperatures are the same that they were 30 years ago and that global sea ice is also at similar levels. Following a spike in global temperatures at the end of the last century that coincided with the sun undergoing its most active period in recent times, the planet has now cooled to 1979 levels. At the end of summer last year, despite hysterical predictions that the North Pole would be free of ice for the first time in history, Arctic sea ice had actually expanded by 30 per cent, an area the size of Germany.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 07/01/2009
- sc300nc I'm a Fan of sc300nc 45 fans permalink

The prez could care less what the bill contains or if it does anything meaningful for the economy. He has to have something for the stockholm meetings later this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 07/01/2009

Well, I think he really wants to create a new source of tax revenue, and I think that counts as doing something "meaningful for the economy".

But I suppose I agree with your sentiment. It goes to the "a bad bill is better than no bill at all" mindset that seems to be rampant right now.

I assume you meant Copenhagen, not Stockholm?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 07/01/2009
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 84 fans permalink
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I hope they throw this thing out, it does NOTHING for anyone except the coal companies.
I can't believe what they are doing up there, they don't care if they pass good bills, just pass anything and say they did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 07/01/2009
- Chapmanp2 I'm a Fan of Chapmanp2 12 fans permalink

Democrats need to stop worrying about Republicans & get on board w/ the program. Leadership needs to apply pressure in the form of who's gonna get the support they need from the party. Our representatives need to start representing US & not kow towing to their corporate masters. It's really quite simple...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 07/01/2009
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 84 fans permalink
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Don't you get it yet? The Republicans are the Democrats EXCUSE for not doing anything. PAH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 07/01/2009
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Nuclear energy will never happen for three reasons

1. No insurance company will insure new nucler reactors. Cost prohibitive in the extreme.
2. A reactor facility takes 15 years on average to build.
3. Fisionable material (urainium) is a resource in decline.

The fact is that we are going to have to learn to live with less energy. MUCH less energy. 24 hour electricity will be a thing of the past by the end of the 2020's. Humanity did just fine before the advent of cheap electrcity and we will do fine in the future. Get use to it now by learning to live more simply. Our way of life is not so important that we have kill the planet to maintain it. Toughen up and learn to live with less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 07/01/2009
- Kassandra I'm a Fan of Kassandra 84 fans permalink
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Not if you can do solar....I can prolly do enuff solar to power my block from my back roof..winter and summer.
Nonetheless, keep your lamps filled and your wicks trimmed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 07/01/2009
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1) Insurance is expensive. However, safeguards in place have gotten more stringent, which should bring the cost down. Furthermore, the Price-Anderson Insurance program raises the price of insurance since it is a government subsidy.
2) Reactors take 15 years to build in the States due to regulatory nightmare. In France it's closer to four years. And they've never had an accident.
3) Uranium is one of the most common elements on the face of the planet, and spent fuel can be recycled and used again in reactors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/01/2009
- bradwieser I'm a Fan of bradwieser 3 fans permalink
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"24 hour electricity will be a thing of the past by the end of the 2020's"

^-----Why everyone shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 07/01/2009
- bradwieser I'm a Fan of bradwieser 3 fans permalink
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humanity did not do just fine before the advent of cheap electricity, more people were hungry, more infants died, more people died of curable diseases. You have made the most ignorant statement i've heard in a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/01/2009
- bradwieser I'm a Fan of bradwieser 3 fans permalink
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Ken Willis - the reason abortions should be allowed up to 18 years after birth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 07/01/2009
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