AP Blows The Doors Off Of This 'Sex' Stuff We Keep Hearing About

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First Posted: 07- 1-09 11:58 AM   |   Updated: 08- 1-09 05:12 AM

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Sex. What is it exactly? Can you make babies, with this "sex?" Or is it merely something that Craigslist has to stop advertising, to save print journalism? Some reports indicate that an entire "entertainment industry" has stealthily formed itself, predicated on the notion that Americans are in constant, near-terror need of sex. But why then, does the thought of Mark Sanford having sex make everybody so sad inside? All of these are great mysteries, that no one had ever thought to penetrate. Until now, that is! Via Chris Lehmann comes the news that the brave souls at the Associated Press are finally going to get to the bottom of all of this sex stuff.

And AP's report, entitled, "What Is Sex? Americans Can't Agree," is just as delightful as you might suspect. You see, America was just sitting back, chilling, when all of the sudden, out of nowhere, "philandering politicians" started appearing in the news, with their "fuzzy definitions" of sex, and now the whole nation is gripped with "uneasiness." Yes! THAT IS EXACTLY HOW ALL OF THIS HAPPENED.

We talk about sex. A lot.


But all too often we don't know exactly what we're talking about. What's considered getting to third base these days anyway?

And when it comes to philandering politicians, the line on what's considered sex is especially fuzzy.

President Bill Clinton said oral sex wasn't sex. South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford says in his latest revelation that he "crossed lines" with women other than his wife and Argentine mistress, but "didn't cross the sex line." He wouldn't say what that meant.

AGH! I KNOW! Why didn't Mark Sanford clearly demarcate where the "sex line" was, in accordance with his destiny? How will any of us feel safe at "third base," ever again? Well, maybe none of this is Mark Sanford's fault! Maybe Mark Sanford was just the victim of our own notions about what sex is, or isn't. We have met the enemy, and, naturally, it has been polled, by a leading research institution!

In 1998, just as Clinton was defining what "is" is, two other Kinsey researchers were publishing a paper in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association on how people see sex. The answer: We can't really agree.


The study, based on 1991 survey of 599 college students, found something odd considering the parsing of male politicians. Women in general were less likely than men to consider oral sex or mutual masturbation as having "had sex."

Of the women, 37 percent considered oral sex as, well, sex. Forty-four percent of men did.

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A second survey in 1996, asked "Is oral sex 'real' sex?"

About 52 percent of the men said yes, but only 46 percent of women did.

To me, the greater concern might be what Americans think the third person singular present form of the verb "to be" is, but nevermind that! Maybe, somewhere rooted in our nations' collected body of cultural arcana is the knowledge we seek!

In the classic Meat Loaf song, "Paradise By The Dashboard Light," radio broadcaster Phil Rizzuto describes baseball players advancing bases, as a young couple negotiates intimacy in their car.


It helped cement the public on the 1960s analogy of first, second, third and home to increasingly intimate sexual activities.

Yes! Everybody knows that the 1960s notions of "intimacy" weren't cemented until 1977, when the wizened sage Meat Loaf descended unto the nation, to explain all of this! And yet, years later, the same Loaf would seemingly find himself in the unsteady waters in which we now swim, professing that he would "do anything for love, but he won't do that." Huh? What? Oh, that must be THE SEX LINE. Cross At Your Peril. Which reminds me, I've been meaning to open a bondage club in Washington, DC named "Your Peril." Any backers out there?

Anyway, AP's watershed report concludes:

Americans tend to judge politicians more harshly about marital infidelity than Europeans, said Janssen, who is Dutch. It's a cultural thing.


But we do have something in common with those across the Atlantic, Janssen said.

Europeans don't really have explicit definitions of sex in their languages, either.

So, they can be just as vague when they talk about it as we are.

Maybe the need for 'explicit definitions" is redundant in a culture where prominent politicians, like Silvio Berlusconi, flaunt their recreational sexatoriums without so much of a breath of concern. I had a mind to inquire, but Europe would not return my calls, presumably because they were all busy fucking.

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- normathumb I'm a Fan of normathumb 25 fans permalink

Of course, we judge our politicians more harshly regarding their sexual indiscretions than Europeans. We just don't care about European sexual indiscretions. (Note: this is satire.)
Any mainstream media discussion of "explicit definitions" in the press is downright silly. The only place 'explicit definitions" are ever used is in the sex print and film industry industry. It is as if sex were an invisible object. We can't see it. We can't directly describe it. We can only apply paper mache and eventually it will take some slightly distorted shape. It isn't sex we see but the paper mache on the outside. Here, on the Huffington Post, you must be careful or your post will not appear. It is that of which we must not directly speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 07/01/2009
- jozie I'm a Fan of jozie 9 fans permalink

I think when it comes to infidelity, the only test you need is, would you do it with another person in front of your significant other? If the answer is no, than you crossed the line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 07/01/2009

If former President Clinton can't define it, what chance do us mere mortals have at expounding on the topic? None I say, nay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 07/01/2009
- myhomeo I'm a Fan of myhomeo 5 fans permalink

The definition of "sex" doesn't matter in Mark Sanford's case. The real bottom line is that he did things with other women that he knew his wife and most of the voting public didn't want him to do. It 's a very simple case of knowing the difference between right and wrong. Sounds like he's practicing moral relativism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 07/01/2009
- quiviran I'm a Fan of quiviran 26 fans permalink

No, Southern Republicanism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 07/01/2009
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Define sex? In my book, Tantric Sex for Busy Couples, and in the Intimacy Retreats I lead with my husband, we refer to S.E.X. as "Synchronized Energy eXchange." That's when it's great, isn't it? - when energy flows between the partners in a meaningful way.

If we're In a monogamous relationship, and we have a private, unrevealed Significant Energy eXchange with someone other than our spouse, we're stealing energy from the relationship, whether or not there is intercourse or other genital touching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 07/01/2009
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lucky husband !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 07/01/2009
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what a load of waffle, Ms Daffner. Sex is bonking, pure and simple. That's what animals do. What you are talking about is making love. Haven't seen your book, don't really want to. Why was time reading when you can be doing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 07/01/2009
- Westof405 I'm a Fan of Westof405 27 fans permalink

"Bonking" is also a term used in aerobic sports like cycling and running that means running out of fuel, in particular, glycogen, to keep your muscles working.

The Brits may use "bonk" to mean sex, but I think most of us Yanks refer to it as "boink."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 07/01/2009
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What is it?

Wellllll.....if you're getting it, then it's a good thing.

If you're not getting it, then the people who are getting it are bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 07/01/2009
- hatmadder I'm a Fan of hatmadder 25 fans permalink
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Thank goodness for the wisdom of Meat Loaf. But, most of all, thank goodness for our dear Jason, who prevents us from having to hash through all that noisy news to get to the meat of the real story!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 07/01/2009
- NurseTina I'm a Fan of NurseTina 4 fans permalink

If the male genitals penitrate any orifice, it is sex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 07/01/2009

That's a little one-sided, don't you think? Sort of leaves out lesbians as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 07/01/2009

No, lesbians have "sex" without the involvement of male genitals.

I think it's "sex" if anyone's genitals are involved, whether penetration is achieved or not. If it's "sexual," it's sex. When Bill Clinton used a cigar, it was "sex." If mouth, fingers, or any other part touches another's private parts, that to me is sex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 07/01/2009
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Interesting. I used to run a company and I spent a fair amount of time visiting clients in different areas of the U.S. The company was involved in providing medical services to large clinics, hospitals and reearch facilities.

The same sales reps tend to hit the same facilities, so I got to know some of them. One guy, from Texas, was absolutely a riot, but he would often, when a group of us were out for cocktails in the evening, end up going home with a woman.

He was married.

I asked him about the whole adultery thing, and he said it wasn't adultery because all they did was nastur bate in front of each other.

I asked him if his wife would agree that wasn't sex, and he sheeplshly said "no."

So, what do you (and others) think? When two people nastur-you-know-what in front of each other sex?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 07/01/2009

Sex. Intercourse, oral sex, masturbation -- all sex. Online or phone sex where parties write or talk to orgasm -- sex. What's worse? Physical betrayal or emotional? Both are devastating to me, but some of my female friends find the physical betrayal to be forgiveable but not the emotional betrayal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/01/2009
- normathumb I'm a Fan of normathumb 25 fans permalink

By that, I guess, lesbians don't have sex, and a handjob wouldn't be sex either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 07/01/2009
- reader110 I'm a Fan of reader110 11 fans permalink

rotfl - thanks, Jason, we needed that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 07/01/2009
- Peets101 I'm a Fan of Peets101 18 fans permalink
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The fact that Sanford has to use euphemisms instead of stating the facts sort of says it all. The point isn't whether or not he had sex - it's whether or not he is a man of honor who keeps his promises and commitments. If he feels embarrassed and guilty about his conduct, then he fails the test.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 07/01/2009
- myhomeo I'm a Fan of myhomeo 5 fans permalink

Exactly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 07/01/2009
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The author wrote: "Why didn't Mark Sanford clearly demarcate where the "sex line" was, in accordance with his destiny?"

I'd re-write that to have read: "Why didn't Mark Sanford clearly demarcate where the "sex line" was, in accordance with his anatomy?"

Much as I find this whole mess ridiculous, if it weren't for the fact that these smug prigs set themselves up as the arbiters of morality (note: not legality), I'm not sure we'd even care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/01/2009

..my guess is that it approximates a circle, is warm and applies friction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 07/01/2009

Sanford is attempting to sanitize and legitimize his actions by inserting the word love. The affair began from the pureness of his heart reaching out to a suffering human being. How could he know that his feelings would deepen and he would get swept away and became a "victim of love"? His other dalliances, by contrast, simply began with impure thoughts, and did not end in intercourse, the rearrangement his schedule or an address change.

Sanford is not a very smart man and his wife did not get her monies worth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/01/2009
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If Sanford is going tto resign, let it be for a good rreason, not this stupidity. He is a horrible governor. THAT is why he should leave office, not because he can't define sex, he just knows it when a Democrat or a gay person does it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/01/2009
- barksalot I'm a Fan of barksalot 47 fans permalink

Do they do it different?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 07/01/2009
- myhomeo I'm a Fan of myhomeo 5 fans permalink

He should resign because he went AWOL. I can't think of very many people who wouldn't lose their jobs if they disappeared for five days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/01/2009
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And finally ... jason if you open a bondage club in DC I'll be the first to sign up for non sexual spanking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 07/01/2009
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"A second survey in 1996, asked "Is oral sex 'real' sex?"

About 52 percent of the men said yes, but only 46 percent of women did."

That's because they each think the other does it wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/01/2009
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