New HELP Bill Covers 97 Percent Of Americans, Costs $600 Billion

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DAVID ESPO | July 1, 2009 09:49 PM EST | AP

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President Barack Obama speaks about health care during a town hall meeting at the Northern Virginia Community College in Annandale, Va., Wednesday, July 1, 2009. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — Democrats on a key Senate Committee outlined a revised and far less costly health care plan Wednesday night that includes a government-run insurance option and an annual fee on employers who do not offer coverage to their workers.

The plan carries a 10-year price tag of slightly over $600 billion, and would lead toward an estimated 97 percent of all Americans having coverage, according to the Congressional Budget Office, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and Chris Dodd said in a letter to other members of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The AP obtained a copy.

By contrast, an earlier, incomplete proposal carried a price tag of roughly $1 trillion and would have left millions uninsured, CBO analysts said in mid-June.

The letter indicated the cost and coverage improvements resulted from two changes. The first calls for a government-run health insurance option to compete with private coverage plans, an option that has drawn intense opposition from Republicans.

"We must not settle for legislation that merely gestures at reform," the two Democrats wrote. "We must deliver on the promise of true change."

Additionally, the revised proposal calls for a $750 annual fee on employers for each full-time worker not offered coverage through their job. The fee would be set at $375 for part-time workers. Companies with fewer than 25 employees would be exempt. The fee was forecast to generate $52 billion over 10 years, money the government would use to help provide subsidies to those who cannot afford insurance.

The same provision is also estimated to greatly reduce the number of workers whose employers would drop coverage, thus addressing a major concern noted by CBO when it reviewed the earlier proposals.

Kennedy, D-Mass., and Dodd, D-Conn., circulated their letter a few days before lawmakers return from their July 4 vacation, with the Health Committee one of several panels expected to take action on health care legislation that President Barack Obama has placed atop his domestic agenda.

Kennedy, the committee chairman, was diagnosed with a brain tumor more than a year ago and has been absent from the Senate for weeks, although he and his aides have been heavily involved in the deliberations on a health care bill. Dodd, the next senior Democrat on the committee, has presided at committee sessions and taken an increasingly public role.

With its government option, the proposal is unlikely to gain any bipartisan support in the committee.

Separately, Democrats and Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee are at work trying to reach agreement on an alternative that calls for creation of nonprofit cooperatives to sell insurance in competition with private industry. Agreement has been elusive on that and other issues, and it is not clear whether a deal is possible before Democrats opt for a more partisan approach.

In their letter, Kennedy and Dodd said the Congressional Budget Office "has carefully reviewed our complete bill, and we are pleased to report that CBO has scored it at $611.4 billion over 10 years, with the new coverage provisions scored at $597 billion. ...The completed bill virtually eliminates the dropping of currently covered employees from employer-sponsored health plans.

"In addition, our bill, combined with the work being done by our colleagues in the Finance Committee, will dramatically reduce the number of uninsured _ fully 97 percent of Americans will have coverage, a major achievement."

Three committees in the House have been at work for weeks on a plan expected to come to a vote by the end of July.

WASHINGTON — Democrats on a key Senate Committee outlined a revised and far less costly health care plan Wednesday night that includes a government-run insurance option and an annual fee on empl...
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- deepsigh I'm a Fan of deepsigh 2 fans permalink

no problem! just have the tax dodger geithner print up a trillion dollars. then all will be well

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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or just repeal the bush tax cuts = $1.8 TRILLION over 10 years .... could pay for this 3X over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 07/02/2009
- candyc I'm a Fan of candyc 14 fans permalink

If the Democrats fail to pass a complete overhaul of health care, every obstrucionist should be seriously challenged and beaten in their upcoming primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 07/02/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

Agreed. And Harry Reid just said that he is the #1 Democratic Obstructionist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 07/02/2009
- drkazmd65 I'm a Fan of drkazmd65 55 fans permalink
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Hmmm,...

Isn't perfect,... but what is? However, it does sound like a distinct improvement over ANY alternative that doesn't have a Government-Run, Not-For-Profit program to keep the HMOs & such honest(-er).

$750/employee isn't that much though. My current plan (a fairly good one) runs me about ~$1000/year and my employer another ~$2500/year. It is probably more realistic to raise the employer surtax to somewhere above $1000/year and let the employer write off the full amount against their own corporate taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 07/02/2009
- rkm0619 I'm a Fan of rkm0619 4 fans permalink

I like the tax write off idea, it would probably provide a greater incentive for employers to stay honest. On the other hand, it could encourage them to dump all employees off the insurance rolls, thus saving them money and getting a higher write off, unless they can already write off insurance costs, im not sure about that though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/02/2009
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Only the Senate and House Republicans can save Obama now by compromising and lending his extremist legislation the veneer of bipartisanship in order to remove it as a political issue.

If the likes of GOP Sens. Olympia Snowe (Maine), Susan Collins (Maine), Chuck Grassley (Iowa), Orrin Hatch (Utah) and others refuse to go along with Obama on healthcare and on cap-and-trade, they will force him to pass both programs as one-party bills. Not only is it possible that as public support runs out on these measures he will fail even to get 50 votes to pass them, but it is likely that even if they go through, they doom his administration to perpetual unpopularity.

Obama is, quite simply, stuck with these programs as a result of his campaign promises. But they will become larger and larger burdens to carry as their unpopularity increases.

Already, only 50 percent of voters indicate agreement with "Obama's healthcare reforms" while 45 percent register opposition. As it becomes increasingly obvious that these changes will endanger the healthcare of all Americans, the popularity of the program will fall. And once it becomes clear that the only way to fund it is to tax healthcare premiums paid by employers (after Obama specifically attacked McCain for making the same proposal), the ratings of the program -- and of all who supported it -- will drop even more sharply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 07/02/2009
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McCain did not make the same proposal, he wanted to give...wait for it....a TAX BREAK.....lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 07/02/2009
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You are factually incorrect. McCain wanted to give 5k dollar credits to allow people to go out and purchase their own health care plans, and he was going to pay for it by taxing employer paid premiums. Obama was all over him for it, but now Obama seems to think that is not such a bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 07/02/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

Yup. A tax credit that would have gone directly into the pockets of insurance companies, as they would have immediately raised their rates to take the cash.

And then he would tax people who actually manage to get paid by the insurance companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 07/02/2009
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 389 fans permalink
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Utter nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 07/02/2009
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Sorry, but the numbers are on my side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/02/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 284 fans permalink
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Exactly. Americans are getting tired of the only welfare not questioned is corporate welfare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 07/02/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 40 fans permalink

That's 50% of REPUBLICAN voters. Democrats and Independents go as much as 78% (see, I can weasel too) for single payer or public option without triggers. Obama being stuck with his campaign promises while reversing himself to support a McCain proposal that must prove to be extremely unpopular is a sequence of assumptions without internal consistency. I suppose, if he can reduce health care costs -- and we do have the most expensive health care in the world while placing 37th in the World Health Organizations rankings based on life expectancy and infant mortality, rather basic things -- employers might be glad to split the difference with him. After all, deals is one of the things business is about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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"As it becomes increasingly obvious that these changes will endanger the healthcare of all Americans"

obvious huh? obvious like the fact that you are an insurance industry shill?

the gov't WILL NOT BE RUNNING HOSPITALS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 07/02/2009
- rxvette I'm a Fan of rxvette 34 fans permalink

I heard nothing about prohibiting against discriminating against pre-existing conditions or prohibiting any plan from making a profit on basic medical care. And without these two conditions any change regardless of how it comes is worthless - http://bit.ly/9QLV8

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 07/02/2009
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 389 fans permalink
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Bingo.

It's amazing to me that United Healthcare operates out of my state, that does not allow for-profit healthcare companies.

I'll say this though, don't allow the non-profit categorization fool you - they find ways to shovel the dollars to the top just like a for-profit corporation does.

The only way to save money while attaining universal coverage is to mandate coverage for all - spreading the risk to everyone, while eliminating the pre-existing condition clauses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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Yeah, everyone must be in the pool for ANY insurance plan to work...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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that's the idea of the public plan, everyone taken...

the public option will be a zero sum game, if they make a profit, then the rate will be cheaper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/02/2009
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 389 fans permalink
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The employer fee should easily be tripled - and it should not be allowed to go under expenses - it should be treated as a direct tax.

I want to see strong statements emanating from the debate about eliminating pre-existing condition clauses completely (with steep penalties for anyone that does not comply) as well as dropping the need to show continuing coverage that came out of the HIPAA legislation from the 90's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/02/2009
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Why should small businesses be finacially responsable for the nations health care project. Their are the only ones who will be hurt by this bill and the unemployment numbers will get even higher. What happened to "Don't ask what your country can do for you, but what can you do for your country." This hand out crap has to stop. Children should covered but not adults. I had to work hard to get the job I have and I'm from a lower middle class family. I looked at my choices and did what I had to do to take care of myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 07/02/2009
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 389 fans permalink
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Can you read? It would exempt business with less than 25 employees. I'd be fine if they raised that to 50 - as long as they tripled the fine and did not allow it to be subtracted as a wage/benefit expense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/02/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 284 fans permalink
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Let's word it this way: why should small business have to pay for police protection through their taxes - see the point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 07/02/2009
- carbolaw I'm a Fan of carbolaw 21 fans permalink

And under our current system, no matter what choices you made, tomorrow your premiums may be raised to cover bad investments by your insurance company, your employer may decide to stop offering health insurance and you will be out on your own, you may get sick and your HMO will deny the tests/treatments your doctor orders because they are focused on profit, you may get seriously ill and spend your plan maximum and then be completely out of insurance coverage and forced into bankruptcy (more than 1/2 of US bankruptcies are due to medical expenses). At the same time others who do not have insurance will be forced to go to the ER for treatment of common illnesses. The ER will write off these ridiculously high costs of treatment and these will be absorbed by taxpayers or those paying insurance premiums. Finally, at some point you may find that you also are dependent on others in our society to provide for you - perhaps next time you need to call the police, or the fire company, or go to the public park, or national park you will think about how we need to function as a society not a collection of individuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 07/02/2009

If you tripled the tax I pay for my employees and then didn't allow my business to deduct that as an expense, I would lay off my employees and do without them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/02/2009
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

LOL reminds me of the CAP and TAX Bill as I call it, I believe in the end the farmer should not raise cows since he will be charged for their methane! So we can ask "where is the beef" and thank our

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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You don't have any employees, you are OBVIOUSLY not a business owner.

Any business owner that would rather fire workers (and obviously affect production, and thus revenues, and thus profits) than pay taxes is obviously a republican.

If you don;t offer your people (as fictitious as they are) healthcare you should be taxed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/02/2009
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All Obama wants is to have more people dependent on the government. So we fear the government and the government should fear the people. If our Founding Fathers were alive today they with revolt. I'm sure they are spinning in their graves as I type. They fought agianst excessive taxation. Now both parties are spending like they have a money tree. I say we vote every single one of them out no matter what party they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/02/2009

They would have revolted during the Reagan and Bush error! They fought against the wealth gap and the government working for corporations rather than for the people! I would gladly pay for a pubic option. I have coverage -- it sucks! But now I have a pre-existing condition, so I'm stuck with it. It's employer based and the premiums go up every year and the coverage goes down!

76% of Americans agree with me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 07/02/2009
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That is true I have cut all ties with all political parties. I'm stick and tired of all this self-serving crap they call politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 07/02/2009
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Stu_pid electrician = Joe the Plumber

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 07/02/2009
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Please explain how I equal Joe the Plumber. Is that so kind of slam. I'm not republican I'm just a husband and father tired of the government choosing who getsmy money. I think I should have the right to feed my family instead of the government choosing for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 07/02/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 40 fans permalink

Technically, the Boston tea party was about the right of Parliament to tax the colonies without colonial representation in Parliament. The tea and stamp taxes were nominal and the price of tea was dropped to make the Parliamentary taxes more palatable (or potable). Our founding fathers understood the need to tax and support the government. Such were the problems that led to the re write of the Constitution. Afterward, the entire debt of the previous government was taken over by George Washington on the advice of Alexander Hamilton and repaid out of the new government's right to tax.

If our founding fathers are, in fact, naturally spinning in their graves, they should be connected to generators as a source of non polluting and sustainable energy. Much is made of how awful it is to depend on our government without any word of whether our government should be dependable or useful. Our founding fathers, what ever their other faults, had qualities of being dependable and useful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 07/02/2009

thank you. that was witty and well said :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 07/02/2009

Actually the Boston Tea Party was a protest over the British funding the monopalistic East Indian Trading Co. that was undercutting local industries in the colonies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/02/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 284 fans permalink
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Actually, the founding fathers believed people had a right to the good life and that the government should protect those rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 07/02/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

[All Obama wants is...]

What is best for the country, which is why he is so often in direct opposition to the Rushpublicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/02/2009
- Conk I'm a Fan of Conk 24 fans permalink
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Ever notice how they name thes bills and laws the exact opposite of what they really do or accomplish? Like No Child Left Behind. How many thousands of children and teachers have suffered because of this rediculous bill?

The HELP bill will help only the rich and powerful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 07/02/2009

No child left behind -- a Bush policy. He made more rules and quotas for schools, but didn't fund it.

How would giving people a public option help the rich and powerful?

Republicans always say that the government can't run anything, then they get elected and prove it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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Clear Skies Program = more particulate matter in the air

Patriot Act - destroy every single right any patriot would fight for

Compassionate Conservative = empathy is evil

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 07/02/2009
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I'm not holding my breath on this one...

The student loan help was a sham, this sounds like it will be a sham as well...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 07/02/2009
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There is a need for medical reform and a way to get insurance compainies out of the way, but universal healthcare is not the answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 07/02/2009
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Please explain how you get insurance companies out of the way WITHOUT Universal Health Care?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 07/02/2009
- deluk I'm a Fan of deluk 26 fans permalink
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True! in Britain the insurance companies dont figure at all. we just ask for treatment and
insurance is never mentioned. and although we love to moan about it, and it certainly isn't perfect, I've used the NHS all my life and never had cause to complain. although I realise that's not what some right wingers in the US like to imagine.

The US needs stop being scared of the word 'socialised'. Every time you send your kids to the local school or drive on a public road you're enjoying the benefits of a socialised enterprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/02/2009
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By using them like car insurance. You don;t put a claim for your oil change against your insurance so why do it for medical insurance. Put the people an ddoctors in control of what to charge and not the insurance companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/02/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 284 fans permalink
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It seems to be the answer for other advanced nations. Canada and France, as an example, spend less of their GDP on healthcare than the US and everyone is covered. If we adopted either system, the French is better by the way, we not only would have universal health care but the budget would balance as well.

GDP on healthcare US: 18%
GDP on healthcare France: 11%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 07/02/2009
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 228 fans permalink

So your plan is to ban insurance entirely, and then let everyone pay for their own surgery?

Well, at least your name is accurate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 07/02/2009
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This bill is just smoke and mirrors. The bill will hurt our economy even worse than the sub-prime disaster. Companies will either go out of business because of the fine or will demote full time employees to part time so the fine is not as high. The price tag is a joke when is the last time a political project cost what the siad it did? NEVER. This is just a move to get uneducated people behind their bill so they can say people back it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 07/02/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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A real debate, rather than these talking points, is what we need right now. You're here to stir up the thread, but we're beyond it. This is actually important.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 07/02/2009
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 14 fans permalink

Thank you, nellie. He really is stupid. Electrician, maybe not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 07/02/2009

If they need 40 hours of work from employees, they will pay a fine for one person $750 or for two part time people 2 x $375. What's the difference? Any company that needs the employee but doesn't hire them because of a $750 fine shouldn't be in business for long -- that kind of management will drive the company into the ground!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 07/02/2009
- COPerez I'm a Fan of COPerez 59 fans permalink
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I know $750 would be about 1/3 of what my company pays as their portion of my insurance now...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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that's the republican business model

1 ANY regulation will put us out of business
2 ANY tax will put us out of business
3 ANY minimum wage will put us out of business
4 ANY LOSSES ARE FOR EVERYONE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/02/2009
- rue I'm a Fan of rue 9 fans permalink
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The $750 fee is very low when compared to what companies that offer their employees insurance are paying toward that insurance. If anything, I see companies opting for the $750 fee and dropping company sponsored health insurance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 07/02/2009
- DanSteSr I'm a Fan of DanSteSr 2 fans permalink

So there had better be public health option because a 750 fine per person is alot les than the thousands they are currently paying for premiums. Now all employers will stop paying premiums and instead pay the fine. and what will you have. Complete government run and provided health care that will cost billions more than stated cause this WILL drive private health care out of buisness the the public option will be all thats left. I Cant Wait!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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depends ... some might. The employer will still be paying into the system.

my 65 employees have very good health ins (not congress good, but good), once the public option becomes available, I will see if the coverage is the same, and if it is, I will offer my employees that option.

I feel like we have a good plan at a good rate. But if my employees can get the same converage for less, then I think they should. I would still be paying into the system for that employee.

All of my employees are fulltime - 40+ hours a week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 07/02/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 284 fans permalink
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Uneducated people vote republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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reducing the cost of healtcare be destroying the for profit murderous insurance companies ...

of they don;t neuter the insurance companies your health care premiums will be 2X as high in 5 years. Because if reform passes, the insurance companies will go into price hike overdrive

"Companies will either go out of business because of the fine or will demote full time employees to part time so the fine is not as high"

BS - any business who fires employees because of taxes should be working at McDonalds.,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 07/02/2009

While I am 100% for universal health care, I really have lost all faith in our elected people to get the job done. Since September 11th 2001, we have faced many urgent matters in this country. It seems that all the major life changing legislation has been rushed through and without any oversight or vetting process. At this point we must create a bill that will actually work without hurting a single person in america. The bill must be read in full by all representatives and the public before being voted on. I am sick of costly false promises and poorly executed lobbyist influenced bills. The citizens of this country know what we need better than any contributing party in Washington and this time we must be heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 07/02/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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It would be great if there were some kind of feedback mechanism so the public could comment on the bill, ask questions about the details—but who knows what kind of delay that might create. We do need a real debate about the particulars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/02/2009
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There is remember Obama promised 5 days for all americans to review al bills. Oh wait that was just another of his man lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/02/2009

Great Point! Although i am against a government run health system. Open honest debate is what is needed. We dont need another bill loaded with unrelated incentives to other politicians. Make a bill about healthcare and heathcare alone. Give everyone time to read it, understand it, debate it, then vote on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 07/02/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 284 fans permalink
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I am for universal health care, but let it be about health care and without pork for local politicians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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unless you neuter the insurance companies, the cost will skyrocket.

Universal coverage is not possible with for profit insurance companies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 07/02/2009
- Joyana I'm a Fan of Joyana 12 fans permalink

Well, HELP is finally on the way!!! A 'public option' and 'cooperatives' are mandatory to give the private insurance industry competition in quality and cost effectiveness. Private health care has become a dictator to doctors and patients alike on what tests/treatment/costs are allowable. But they reward their CEOs w/ astronomical salaries and perks just like the banks. Where are the cost limits w/ CEO salaries like they impose on health benefits that are life-saving!!

Profit-driven health care needs controls themselves and nonprofit public options will do just that. Also, It will return dignity to the patient by offering a nonprofit choice in their health management. No longer will patients' health problems be simply to profit a money-crazed system!!

BTW, can we do something about the awful parking fees patients and families have to pay to get health care in the Texas Medical System in Houston!! You have to pay fees throughout this system, including the emergency room at some hospitals!! Profiteering gone mad!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 07/02/2009
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 14 fans permalink

Great comments. Worked for an HMO. Took 3 years for the ceo to become a multi-millionaire. We were a nonprofit HMO. Nonprofit means the profit went into his and his cronies' pockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 07/02/2009
- Dystopic I'm a Fan of Dystopic 20 fans permalink
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yeah, the parking in and around the TMC in houston is horrendous ... But worth it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 07/02/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Vote at the end of July. That's sooner than I expected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 07/02/2009
- getoffmedz I'm a Fan of getoffmedz 114 fans permalink
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That's $60B/year. About one month in Iraq at the peak of that ridiculous "war."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 07/02/2009
- barkingcat I'm a Fan of barkingcat 8 fans permalink
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EXACTLY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 07/02/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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I know. What a waste. And now the GOP complains about spending money to help the American people. It's des picable.

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American made bombs, American made guns, American troops.
That is the kind of stimulus the GOP can get on board with.

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The GOP never complains about corporate welfare.

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