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First Posted: 07- 2-09 03:38 PM   |   Updated: 07- 2-09 05:36 PM

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NEW YORK -- In the weeks since moderate Iranians threw down the gauntlet to the conservative clerics who run their lives, Israel has watched the unfolding drama with trepidation.

Since the discovery of a serious Iranian nuclear program at Natanz in 2003, trepidation has laced Israeli views of Iran. Already an enemy by virtue of its support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and terrorism against Jews generally, suddenly Iran loomed as a potential source of the ultimate nightmare -- a nuclear attack.

But the discomfort caused by the the dramatic clashes between Iranian moderates and the regime is of a different nature. As long as the vacant stare of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the Hilterian rants of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad embodied "Iran," Israel could avoid thinking too seriously about what military types call "collateral damage." Many suspected Iranian nuclear facilities were located in busy suburbs, some beneath busy cities.

Now, however, Iran has donned a very different face -- not just that of Neda, the young protester whose tragic death has been watched by millions on YouTube. The new face Iran has turned to the world is a composite. Yes, the mullah and Ahmadinnerjacket are still in there, but so are hundreds of thousands of people risking their skin to repudiate them.

This is not a minor issue for Israel, nor for American military planners who might have harbored hopes of reviving the idea of a preemptive strike on Iranian nuclear sites. A former head of Israel's Mossad intelligence service, Meir Dagan, let slip the dilemma facing anti-Iranian hawks when he told journalists recently: "If the reformist candidate Mousavi had won, Israel would have had a more serious problem because it would need to explain to the world the danger of the Iranian threat, since Mousavi is perceived internationally arena as a moderate element."

In effect, Dagan said, Ahmadinijad was Israel's choice because it would have been a lot easier to send a wave or two of F-15s to bomb Iran if the world knew that Iranians had, indeed, overwhelmingly reelected such a cretin.

Now, images of street protests vastly complicate that calculus. Imagine the revulsion if such air strikes, as they regularly do in Afghanistan, led to the unintended deaths of dozens or more of the very Iranians who are being cheered in the streets today?

Images have proved inconvenient to war planners ever since the first photographs of the Crimean War were published in London in the middle of the 19th century. Censors did their best to prevent the carnage of war from sapping public morale -- something they're still doing, as the Bush administration's ban on showing the caskets of troops returning from Afghanistan and Iraq attests.
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Aerial bombing destroyed the line that previously protected civilians from such carnage. The ability of images to raise public questions about war policy thus grew enormously. From Guernica to Nanking, Coventry to Dresden, to Hiroshima and the use of napalm in Vietnam, this has happened to varying degrees across many cultures. Sometimes, the impact is emotional but has no policy outlet. Other times, the world steps back, takes a breath, and seeks a way -- often through negotiations -- to prevent more of the same.

Are we there now with Iran? In some ways, this is a bit like 1988. Not 1989 -- there's no revolution, the bad guys still run the show, and there is no guarantee at all that tolerance will win out in the long run. Still, the dynamics have changed. By 1988, the Soviet Union was still regarded as a superpower, and the Warsaw Pact still intact. Yet once Mikhail Gorbachev's Glasnost had finally made it impossible for hawks to portray all residents of the Soviet Union as godless automatons bent on world domination, all-out war became almost impossible for the United States and its allies to contemplate.

As late as 1988, the U.S. military had nuclear-tipped Pershing II missiles standing at the ready inscribed with the names of Prague, Warsaw, Budapest and dozens of other cities soon to be swollen with people demanding their freedom. Early that year, talks to remove the missiles were underway, and after the Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty was signed in May, they were withdrawn, along with the Soviet SS-20s that prompted their deployment in the first place.

Could the world be close to something similar in Iran. Might serious talks finally be possible? Maybe, though Gorbachev actually ran the Soviet Union in 1988, whereas the moderates in Iran remain confined, so far, to the streets.

For now, as in Eastern Europe in 1988, the outside world will largely be confined to watching. Unless the hardliners are actually toppled in Iran, which at this point seems hard to imagine, the question probably becomes something like this: After all the unrest and bravery, did the backlash of 2009 force Iran's regime to fundamentally rethink its foreign policy, or did it simply crack down and jail dissidents, writing them off as dupes and fifth columnists for the Great Satan?

We just don't know at this point. But, as Meir Dagan's comments show, the weather is changing.

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NEW YORK -- In the weeks since moderate Iranians threw down the gauntlet to the conservative clerics who run their lives, Israel has watched the unfolding drama with trepidation. Since the discover...
NEW YORK -- In the weeks since moderate Iranians threw down the gauntlet to the conservative clerics who run their lives, Israel has watched the unfolding drama with trepidation. Since the discover...
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- zukervati I'm a Fan of zukervati 25 fans permalink
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"bomb, bomb, bomb - bomb, bomb, Iran ..." - Rethuglican Nominee 2008 Elections - John McCain, who nearly received 60 million votes http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007//McCain_unplugged_Bomb_bomb_bomb_bomb_0419.html). Guess how many of those 60 million would think twice before nuking Iran? None!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 07/05/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 138 fans permalink

To the man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To the man with a powerful air force, everything looks like a target for bombing.

Trying to keep the peace by going to war with anyone who might acquire a weapon does not make sense. Keeping the peace is going to take a lot of hard work, but do we really think we can just go to war with anyone who might potentially be an enemy some day? What about the countries that already have nuclear weapons? Russia, China, Israel, France, Britain, South Africa, North Korea, India, and Pakistan..­...should we go to war with all of them as well?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 07/04/2009
- popart I'm a Fan of popart 13 fans permalink
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Seems the U.S. and others have in the past overcome their distaste for bombing innocents when their self interests were great enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 AM on 07/04/2009
- Lahonda I'm a Fan of Lahonda 23 fans permalink
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I appreciate Obama's Trillion dollar rhetoric..­. It is far cheaper to extend an open hand as opposed to a closed fist. He has shown excellent faith and insight to the entire muslim community. Without an enemy, the people want to come out into the sunlight..­. and the Mullahs see their authority slipping away. No man is an island. The same can be said for regimes when dragged, kicking and screaming, out into the white light of truth.

And it sure beats expending another trillion bucks worth of bull ets, bo mbs and America's best!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 07/04/2009

We cannot bomb their nuclear program forever. Ultimately Iran will have nuclear weapons. By bombing out their developmental sites we may force them to buy nuclear weapons from the black market. They will be just as deadly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 07/03/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 114 fans permalink
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There is no nuclear weapons program...­there's even a fatwa against them. And the NPT is signed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 07/04/2009
- JohnnyLee I'm a Fan of JohnnyLee 10 fans permalink

I think you can make the same argument in reverse. Iran's nuclear facility is in greater danger because
the Iranian government is no longer seen as the legitimate representative of the Iranian people therefore:

1. The nuclear facility is not for Iran but for the militants who run Iran.
2. It will be harder for Obama to negotiate with Iran because it will seem he is legitimizing a fraudulent election.
3. It is harder for Iran to export it's ideology to the region (note recent pro-Iranian party election losses in Iraq and Lebanon) because it has lost the mantle of purity. Which in turn will make Iran act in more belligerent ways.

However, I believe everyone will now wait-and-see if the reformers can overthrow the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 07/03/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 140 fans permalink

There is no nuclear facility.

There are many nuclear facilities.

You cannot bomb their nuclear program into nonexistance. They will simply mve it or rebuild i.

The American Intelligence could not even find the Chinese embassy in Serbia. And it was listed in the phone book.

Israeli Intelligence isn't going to do any better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 07/05/2009
- TomZart I'm a Fan of TomZart 16 fans permalink
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THE STONING OF WOMEN

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There are those who still stone women
And we all know who they are.
They live in a world cursed by God
Where they murder mislead and scar.

They need no proof to denounce their wives
Of adultery, betrayal and worthlessness.
They hate all religions except their own
As they promote fear, death and hopelessness.

Never turn a blind eye toward wickedness
Instead support its defeat and demise.
Hearts consumed by the shadows of malice
Are terrified of the righteous and the wise.

The stoning of women is a performance from hell
And any country that allows it, will fail.
All men heed to the whispers of their soul
May goodness, and compassion take heed and prevail.


By Conservative Poet
Tom Zart
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 07/03/2009
- Wozzeck I'm a Fan of Wozzeck 22 fans permalink
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What does this desecration of verse have to do with the topic, oh most self-published "poet" on the Web?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 07/03/2009
- TomZart I'm a Fan of TomZart 16 fans permalink
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THE MAD DOGS OF MAN


Wherever dwell the mad dogs of man
There is corruption, plunder and hate.
In every city, town, or village
Those who promote distrust deserve their fate.

All are born as an innocent child
Till mislead by others along the way.
God has always loved his children
Though it breaks His heart when they stray.

The mad dogs of man never repent
For they have no sense of shame or sorrow.
Worshiping dominance and the dark side of life
Abusing victims as if there were no tomorrow.

God gives the will to sin no more
And to overcome evil unwilling to cease.
The mad dogs of man must be stopped
Who murder, rape and destroy world peace.

Samson, Solomon, and David
Were chosen by God to stand tall.
They faced great odds and the fear of death
Refusing to ignore their call.

The time has come for the good men of earth
To band together to restrain the horde.
Standing firm against tyranny where it exists
Putting the mad dogs of man to the sword.


By Tom Zart

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 07/30/2009

Bomb? Analyst: picks his nose, "bomb Iran".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 07/03/2009
- Wozzeck I'm a Fan of Wozzeck 22 fans permalink
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Israel's Dimona nuclear complex will be obliterated if it bombs Iran. Have the Likudniks considered the effect of radioactive fallout on their living conditions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 07/03/2009

Israel has successfully stopped nuclear bomb building in Iraq and Syria with minimal loss of lives. The title of this article does not suggest that the whole country be bombed but just their nuclear weapon buildings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 07/03/2009
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 317 fans permalink
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jaggok
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Ya, right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 07/03/2009

Did you miss this sentence in the Post "Many suspected Iranian nuclear facilities were located in busy suburbs, some beneath busy cities.". In other words, many of those gentle faces we saw in the streets would be incinerated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 07/03/2009

I say; Look at the geographical position. Iran is surrounded by Nuke. from all sides. East, India and Pakistan, North Russia, West Israel, South, on the Persian Gulf US Navy .
I do not say if Iran Has or Has Not have the capability of Nuke. But, don't you blame them for defending themselves against all 4 corners???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 07/03/2009

If Israel bombs Iran it would set us back decades over there, the Iranian people want to be free, the only way is to overthrow the current regime and using peaceful means like international pressure and sanctions

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2009
- gbrooks I'm a Fan of gbrooks 72 fans permalink
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Sanctions don't work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/03/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 114 fans permalink
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Exactly. It will mostly only help the hard liners..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 07/04/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 138 fans permalink

There are dictatorships all over the world, most of which we consider our alies, as long as they sell us their natural resources. We are playing counterproductive and dangerous games with Iran, when we should be staying out of their affairs. If we are going to use sanctions against Iran because they are not a democracy, then by the same logic we should have used sanctions against China after the bloody suppression of the democratic movement in that country.

There is a movement inside this country to try to justify military action against Iran, and that movement is not itself a democratic movement. Maybe we should have sanctions against ourselves?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 07/04/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 140 fans permalink

The Iranian people will rally around their govenment if attacked.

AND the government can arrest dissidents in the name of patriotism.

fear worked wonders for Cheney/Bush.

It will do exactly the same for Ahmedinajad.

Give him the legitimacy he so lacks.

Bombing Iran. Put that on the top of ten stupidest ideas in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/05/2009
- Lochmon I'm a Fan of Lochmon 83 fans permalink
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"...Americ­an military planners who might have harbored hopes of reviving the idea of a preemptive strike..."

Actually, very few "military" planners--that is, actual military officers--have hoped to go to war with Iran. Plans like that are made almost entirely by civilian neocons who never served their country through military service.

As Cheney said about dodging the draft for Vietnam, "I had other priorities­."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/03/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 138 fans permalink

Very well put. It was reported at one time that the area commander for Iran, during Bush, had indicated that he would refuse orders to bomb Iran.

Likewise, there have been reports that the alliance with Sunni leaders that resulted in the success of the 'surge' took place because American commanders in Iraq refused to follow orders from Washington to treat the Iraqi Sunnis as enemies.

When we had our chance to destroy Bin Laden at Tora Bora, the neo-cons refused to allow the military to finish the job.

The neo-cons do not have a world view that is conducive to accomplishing anything. As the cartoon character from the 1960s used to say, 'We have met the enemy, and he is us'.

We are addressing our comments here to military matters, but the failures of the neo-cons apply equally to the economy, to balancing the budget, to global warming, to health care, and to everything else they put their minds to. They see the world through strict ideological glasses, and it has not been good for the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 07/04/2009
- gbrooks I'm a Fan of gbrooks 72 fans permalink
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This article sounds like it's written by a down-and-out neocon who's ever so disappointed he can't bomb the tar out of yet another country.

What business does Israel have dictating who is or isn't armed with nukes when they won't even admit to or allow inspections of their own rather large arsenal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/03/2009
- baba2nde I'm a Fan of baba2nde 16 fans permalink
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"Iran now harder to bomb?" You are joking, right?

Ahmadinnerjacket, cretin? Namecalling in a supposedly serious commentary?

It's downhill from there. The face of evil is rearing its head and it is not where you might be looking. Think on these things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 07/03/2009
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The sad thing is, it should have been hard to bomb to begin with. Iran is no different than the U.S., we have the same rabid right wing as they do. Except ours have been conditioned to not resort to violence over 250 years because of the Constitution. The vast majority of people in this world are peace loving, just trying to get through the day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/03/2009
- cinesimon I'm a Fan of cinesimon 60 fans permalink

Well, the right wing in America have been conditioned not to use so much violence against AMERICAN people for their political agenda - of course their voters and commentators appear keen on changing that these days.
However it does seem that non-Americans are fair game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 07/03/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 140 fans permalink

Bingo

We export our political violence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 07/05/2009
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