MOUNTAIN OF DEBT: Rising debt may be next crisis

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TOM RAUM | 07/ 3/09 11:31 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt.

The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolutionary War. Growing ever since, the debt stands today at a staggering $11.5 trillion _ equivalent to over $37,000 for each and every American. And it's expanding by over $1 trillion a year.

The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn.

"Unless we demonstrate a strong commitment to fiscal sustainability in the longer term, we will have neither financial stability nor healthy economic growth," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke recently told Congress.

Higher taxes, or reduced federal benefits and services _ or a combination of both _ may be the inevitable consequences.

The debt is complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades as stimulus and bailout spending combine with lower tax revenues to widen the gap.

Interest payments on the debt alone cost $452 billion last year _ the largest federal spending category after Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security and defense. It's quickly crowding out all other government spending. And the Treasury is finding it harder to find new lenders.

The United States went into the red the first time in 1790 when it assumed $75 million in the war debts of the Continental Congress.

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Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, said, "A national debt, if not excessive, will be to us a national blessing."

Some blessing.

Since then, the nation has only been free of debt once, in 1834-1835.

The national debt has expanded during times of war and usually contracted in times of peace, while staying on a generally upward trajectory. Over the past several decades, it has climbed sharply _ except for a respite from 1998 to 2000, when there were annual budget surpluses, reflecting in large part what turned out to be an overheated economy.

The debt soared with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and economic stimulus spending under President George W. Bush and now Obama.

The odometer-style "debt clock" near Times Square _ put in place in 1989 when the debt was a mere $2.7 trillion _ ran out of numbers and had to be shut down when the debt surged past $10 trillion in 2008.

The clock has since been refurbished so higher numbers fit. There are several debt clocks on Web sites maintained by public interest groups that let you watch hundreds, thousands, millions zip by in a matter of seconds.

The debt gap is "something that keeps me awake at night," Obama says.

He pledged to cut the budget "deficit" roughly in half by the end of his first term. But "deficit" just means the difference between government receipts and spending in a single budget year.

This year's deficit is now estimated at about $1.85 trillion.

Deficits don't reflect holdover indebtedness from previous years. Some spending items _ such as emergency appropriations bills and receipts in the Social Security program _ aren't included, either, although they are part of the national debt.

The national debt is a broader, and more telling, way to look at the government's balance sheets than glancing at deficits.

According to the Treasury Department, which updates the number "to the penny" every few days, the national debt was $11,518,472,742,288 on Wednesday.

The overall debt is now slightly over 80 percent of the annual output of the entire U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product.

By historical standards, it's not proportionately as high as during World War II, when it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP. But it's still a huge liability.

Also, the United States is not the only nation struggling under a huge national debt. Among major countries, Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada have comparable debts as percentages of their GDPs.

Where does the government borrow all this money from?

The debt is largely financed by the sale of Treasury bonds and bills. Even today, amid global economic turmoil, those still are seen as one of the world's safest investments.

That's one of the rare upsides of U.S. government borrowing.

Treasury securities are suitable for individual investors and popular with other countries, especially China, Japan and the Persian Gulf oil exporters, the three top foreign holders of U.S. debt.

But as the U.S. spends trillions to stabilize the recession-wracked economy, helping to force down the value of the dollar, the securities become less attractive as investments. Some major foreign lenders are already paring back on their purchases of U.S. bonds and other securities.

And if major holders of U.S. debt were to flee, it would send shock waves through the global economy _ and sharply force up U.S. interest rates.

As time goes by, demographics suggest things will get worse before they get better, even after the recession ends, as more baby boomers retire and begin collecting Social Security and Medicare benefits.

While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt _ and what it might mean for future generations.

If things can't be turned around, including establishing a more efficient health care system, "We are on an utterly unsustainable fiscal course," said the White House budget director, Peter Orszag.

Some budget-restraint activists claim even the debt understates the nation's true liabilities.

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, established by a former commerce secretary and investment banker, argues that the $11.4 trillion debt figures does not take into account roughly $45 trillion in unlisted liabilities and unfunded retirement and health care commitments.

That would put the nation's full obligations at $56 trillion, or roughly $184,000 per American, according to this calculation.

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On the Net:

Treasury Department "to the penny" national debt breakdown: http://tinyurl.com/yrxrsh

Peter G. Peterson Foundation independent assessment of the national debt: http://www.pgpf.org/

"Deficits do Matter" debt clock: http://tinyurl.com/l6mvjb

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
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- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 198 fans permalink

Why should ASIAN economies send real wealth to the U.S. for foreign paper of declining value instead of selling their goods in their own economies?

Without dollar hegemony, Asian economies can finance their own economic development with sovereign credit in their own currencies and not be addicted to export for fiat dollars that repeatedly lose purchasing power because of US monetary and fiscal indiscipline. As for Americans, is it a good deal to exchange your jobs for lower prices at Wal-Mart?

Only when American voters figure this out, will there be a return to a sound dollar. Neoliberal globalization has promoted the illusion that trade is a win-win transaction for all based on the Ricardian model of comparative advantage. Yet economists realize that without global full employment, comparative advantage is merely Say's Law internationalized.

Our economic policies destroy jobs in the US for the most part while bankers and Wall Street fat cats make big profits despite loses and the continuing need to be bailed out with taxpayer money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/05/2009
- hypnotoad72 I'm a Fan of hypnotoad72 107 fans permalink
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And with fewer jobs, we won't be able to support their bailouts and subsidy forever either... which means they'll have economically destroyed themselves too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 07/05/2009
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 198 fans permalink

Yes, like a co-dependent relationship, it is toxic to both partners. Plus, the cost of shipping goods around is not energy nor environmentally efficient. All you get is cheap labor costs, broke consumers and an export-dependent Asian. The Trilateralists came up with this idea to help the bankers. It's called "free trade" which is not free, as we are seeing. Just examine who profited. It wasn't the working classes in our country and ,as labor costs rise in China, there are always cheaper labor markets. This is a real danger along with Treasury bonds that are declining in value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 07/05/2009
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 90 fans permalink

According to the Peterson Foundation, healthcare will increase GEOMETRICALLY until it is 999..999% and that is why that forecasted deficit is that bad.... This will never happen, either the Repugs will PRIVATIZE Medicare and Social Security or the Dems will institute single payer and retain Social Security....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 07/05/2009
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How can Medicare and Social Security be privitized? There is nothing to invest it in, and they are both bankrupt already. Am almost 40 and my whole life lived with the assumption that SS will not be there when I reach my late 60's anyway, a Ponzi scheme run by the government is still a Ponzi Scheme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 07/05/2009
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There is no ponzi scheme in the make up of Social Security; the shortfalls come from theft of SS funds for other expenditures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 07/06/2009
- LunaPark I'm a Fan of LunaPark 18 fans permalink
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Ralph Nader says, "Deficits are now used for reckless government adventurism. The Iraq war is financed from deficit spending."

Nader goes on to say, "The Federal Reserve is a government within a government and is totally out of control. Congress doesn't control it. Its funded by the banks. Either we have constitutional government or we don't."

Dennis Kucinich says, "Washington needs to understand why we've been mired in debt and why we are staying in debt with the help of fractional reserve lending. Washington needs to understand that questions must be raised as to why we gave up our right to the asset of issuing money. Why did we give it to the Federal Reserve?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 07/05/2009
- dogisgreat I'm a Fan of dogisgreat 11 fans permalink
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The Federal Reserve must be abolished.

It is no accident that WWI, the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank, and the initiation of the Federal Income Tax all occurred at about the same time.

WWI was expensive. The creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank allowed the government to borrow money. To pay the interest on the debt, the U.S. government had to initiate the income tax.

If the United States were to use publicly issued currency rather than Federal Reserve Notes (dollars), there would be no debt and no income tax. California may hit on this solution if its government issued IOU's are allowed to trade on the open market. If I owe state sales tax, I could purchase the California IOU from a neighbor and give the state its IOU back. Eventually the dollar in the middle of the transaction could be eliminated, and the people of California could simply trade in IOU's.

Under the current system, the Congress has given up this responsibility as it is delineated in the constitution to be the sole issuer of currency, preferring to borrow from the private sector at interest.

The Federal Reserve system is a destructive beast. The founders of the U.S. knew the danger of central banks, having lived under the tyranny of the Bank of England. It is unfortunate that the provisions of the U.S. constitution that prohibit a central bank are ignored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/05/2009
- LunaPark I'm a Fan of LunaPark 18 fans permalink
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What would happen if we abolished the Federal Reserve? What would the "man on the street" experience if there were no Fed? How would one unwind the Fed?

"...provisions of the U.S. constitution that prohibit a central bank are ignored."

Doesn't the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 give authority to the Federal Reserve to establish a central bank, and manage currency? And hasn't this act been challenged in court and determined to be legal?

Playing devil's advocate here...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 07/05/2009
- dogisgreat I'm a Fan of dogisgreat 11 fans permalink
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The Fed could be abolished by forcing it to compete with publicly issued currency. The dollar would gradually become worth less and less, and hard currency would take its place. Instead of being forced to trade in fiat "legal tender," the man on the street would trade in the more reliable public currency issued by the state to pay for infrastructure projects.

The courts themselves have ignored the constitutional requirement that the value of the currency be controlled by the Congress. I am disagreeing with the courts. In other words, I am not making a legal argument, but a more principled argument. To its detriment, the U.S. does not operate under a written constitution, though it pretends that it does.

Under a written constitutional system, the Congress would not have the power, in my view, to give away its constitutional responsibilities to an independent body (giving power to private banks to issue and regulate currency, giving power to Presidency to declare war, et. al.) A shifting of constitutional responsibility should only take place through the amendment process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/05/2009

I understand and agree with your comments dogisgood. Keep up the good work. But how do we get from here to there? How do we overthrow the banksters and corporate rule without a bloody armed revolution? Obviously voting doesn't help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/05/2009
- dogisgreat I'm a Fan of dogisgreat 11 fans permalink
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"Treasury securities are suitable for individual investors and popular with other countries, especially China, Japan and the Persian Gulf oil exporters, the three top foreign holders of U.S. debt."

Treasury securities are not "popular." China, Japan, and the Persian Gulf states are the top purchasers of U.S. debt because they are running huge trade surpluses with the U.S., not because they think U.S. treasuries are a good investment. After they've earned their billions of U.S. dollars selling real goods to the U.S., they have little choice of U.S. goods to purchase in return, so they spend their dollars on worthless government paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/05/2009
- RomeoMD25 I'm a Fan of RomeoMD25 56 fans permalink

President Obama"s plan to give the privately-owned and unaccountable Federal Reserve complete regulatory oversight across the entire U.S. economy, which is likely to be enacted before the end of the year, will officially herald the beginning of a new form of government in the United States - an ultra-powerful banking dictatorship controlled by a small gaggle of shadowy and corrupt elitists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 07/05/2009
- dogisgreat I'm a Fan of dogisgreat 11 fans permalink
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Economic totalitarianism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 07/05/2009

This is true Romeo. The "ultra-powerful banking dictatorship" is not new. What is new is Obama will make it "official". Any ideas how we might get our country back?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 07/05/2009
- joebhed I'm a Fan of joebhed 49 fans permalink
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Hey, come on, stop picking on Obama.
SOMEBODY's got to finish the work started at Bretton Woods in '44, and they've been planning this for quite a while.
Just happens to be Obama's turn.
And, he knows who paid his way to the White House.
Pity, what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 07/05/2009
- DrPneumann I'm a Fan of DrPneumann 7 fans permalink

Speaking of rising debt...

The New York Stock Exchange quietly announced last week that it would end its practice of requiring companies to report all their program trading — a move that helps shield large investment banks, particularly Goldman Sachs, from public scrutiny.

The new rule means the public will no longer be able to tell if large investment banks are manipulating the stock market for their own gain, says Matt Taibbi, the journalist whose Rolling Stone article on Goldman Sachs’ role in asset bubbles over the past century has rocked the financial world.

According to previous NYSE rules, any company that carried out program trading — essentially, large computer-automated trades worth more than $1 million — had to report the trades to the NYSE, which then made the information publicly available.

But, under new regulations (PDF) published last week, that requirement has been removed.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/04/taibbi-nyse-ends-transparency-to-protect-goldman-sachs/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 07/05/2009

This is the further institutionalization of feudalism. I have a new bumper sticker. Serfs Up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/05/2009
- Dianekkdi I'm a Fan of Dianekkdi 12 fans permalink
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The debt is the government's boogey man. It is used to steal from the taxpayers--you and me. The interest paid on the debt--who gets it? Why not lower payments? We could pay it out. Being so big, we could keep it reasonable, rather than $452 billion a year in interest, we could pay $50 billion on interest alone and insist on another $50 billion on principle.

That would leave $352 billion for not cutting "discretionary" spending.

If they don't like it, we can tell them to go you know what...

Why not?

The boogey man is going nowhere. He will be there in our closets until we say stop.

Do you really think these "nice wonderful people" give two bleeps about your grandchildren?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 07/05/2009
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This is a fabulous idea! Just think we could screw over the people who lent the money in the first place.

But wait, there's a small problem. The people who lent the US this money turns out to be you and me. They are not the fat cat manipulators of Wall Street. These investors lent this money figuring that their hard earned savings would be put to work in a "risk free" investment because the US Treasuries were considered to be the safest investment money could be invested in. But your solution would prove that George Bush was right when he once declared that American Government Bonds were just "worthless IOUs".

Can you guess what would happen if the American Government followed your solution (and it turns out California might very we do precisely as you suggest). America's financial system would collapse virtually instantaneously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/05/2009
- joebhed I'm a Fan of joebhed 49 fans permalink
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I believe that when Bush made that comment he was laughing at the fact that American government debts are traditionally rolled over(refinanced) so that the holders never really receive the principal, but the interest keeps flowing forever.

The way to get the same results as suggested in the above comment is laid out in the American Monetary Institute's reforms contained in its proposal for the new American Monetary Act here.
http://www.monetary.org/amacolorpamphlet.pdf

TITLE II – RETIREMENT OF INSTRUMENTS OF INDEBTEDNESS
SEC. 201 COMMENCEMENT OF RETIREMENT
Not later than one 180 days from the effective date of this section, the Secretary shall commence to retire all outstanding instruments of indebtedness of the United States by payment in full of the amount legally due the bearer in United States Money, as such amounts become due.
Section 201 provides that as U.S. debt instruments (bonds and notes) become due, they are to be paid with U.S. Money, not by rolling over more debt. This will be a gradual process as the debts extend decades into the future. Such payments will then be available for many other productive investments, and will tend to lower interest rates.

More importantly, the act provides that ALL new money would be created debt-free by the Treasury, thereby reducing approximately $350 to $400 Billion in new debts every year.
Every country in the world will FOLLOW this lead, and it will prevent the financial collapse to which you refer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/05/2009
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"MANUFACTURED INSIDER TRADING BETS" PAID OFF for G0LDMAN and the Rest!

It is a Felony Charge(s)!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 07/05/2009
- reggieb I'm a Fan of reggieb 84 fans permalink

Stop using tax dollars to maintain the 29 million acres and over 800 military bases that the U.S. owns all over the globe. These bases are manned by 2, 500,000 employees. We can't afford to be an imperialistic nation. Close most of the bases, sell the most of the land and bring our military home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 07/04/2009
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Real Cost of 1RAQ is $3 Trillion as quoted in Harvard Magazine!

That could be used to cover PUBLIC Healthcare and help reduce Foreclosures!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 07/05/2009

And what would the cost be of a 9/11 style attack on LA or Chicago? Priceless! Wise up PT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 07/05/2009
- dogisgreat I'm a Fan of dogisgreat 11 fans permalink
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War and Central Banking have always had a cozy relationship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 07/05/2009
- aweissnet I'm a Fan of aweissnet 27 fans permalink
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I thought this article was going to be about consumer debt. The banks are doing us in.

Whether USAA or local credit union, they're taking on practices of the nasty banks. I'm seeing them put charges (courtesy charges) on my account for various and frivolous reasons, and then take it off "as a one-time courtesy" when they are caught and called. I also just started getting ATM fees, and I don't use my card at ATM. I think they're beginning to charge for use with merchants, if you don't do a credit card sale.

I wouldn't mind a bit to watch them all go under.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 07/04/2009

No paycheck = no credit card payments. The credit companies will soon get what they deserve. Nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 07/05/2009
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Move along people . . . nothing to see here but the ponzi scheme that is our economy. Isn't the Jackson death keeping you entertained (sarcasm mode on)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 07/04/2009
- aweissnet I'm a Fan of aweissnet 27 fans permalink
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So cynical!

But they're trying to keep them entertained and distracted while we go under, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/04/2009
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The POINT is if we can switch to a Credit Based instead of a DEBT BASED Federal Reserve Economy the government can simply over time gradually spend Credit into the Economy backed by the Government like T-Bills to pay down our debts!

The FED has taken us from the #1 Creditor Nation to the #1 Debtor Nation by printing Massive Amounts of DEBT for the benefit of the EL1TES on Wall Street!

END the FED Reserve System and save our America from crushing DEBT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 07/04/2009
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Something to think about on the 4th wile you down your 5th:

When you do NOT FUND the REAL Economy you end up with a FAILED REAL Economy! Simple isn't it?

The FAKE Wall Street Economy with its ENRON Loophole LEAK "OFF-The-Books" and its wipe-out of Mark-to-Market is doing great with the $12.8 Trillion in FED and Government Money!

Why don't banks loan to industries anymore?

Because they have FAKE Investments that separate Risk from Investing and isn't that what Investment Bankers have become, BIG FAKES who are afraid of Real Companies with REAL RISKS?

When you do NOT FUND the REAL Economy you end up with a FAILED REAL Economy! Simple isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 07/04/2009

America is being sent into oblivion real fast and there is only one way to stop the destruction of wealth, foreclosures and social consequences as Americans are pushed closer to civil war.
You must Nationalise your money supply and banking system asap..... allowing business to be free - but on Gov loans at low Simple Interest. Then money flows into production/construction and banks could take State Equity in a home (back payable) - not evict you. Gov would create cash and spend direct into infrastructure etc.

Note that the USA FED is not publicly owned....it is a group of Private banking houses ( originally 7 in 1913 ). Your Fed is a front for Merchant banks like IMF-ruins other economies, WB, BIS - sets the controls, Euro bank, Bank of England-original culprit.. They've set up a world banking empire that is evil and unsustainable, based on compounding interest and Fractional banking - both should be illegal. They want world Government - capital...Jerusalem.

All depressions are made deliberately by creating a boom ( to set debt and pricing artificially high....then contracting money to get a bust...with inevitable foreclosure and liquidation.
Between 1929 and 1933, America's money supply was rduced by a staggering 32%.
FDR had the right idea but was forced to borrow from the " Banksters" ( his word ).

To understand - Google free movies ( youtube ) Money as Debt
and The Money Masters .

Also see Ellen Brown ( WebofDebt.com ) - blogging on HuffPost .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 07/04/2009
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