MOUNTAIN OF DEBT: Rising debt may be next crisis

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TOM RAUM | 07/ 3/09 11:31 PM | AP

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The soaring national debt is recorded on the National Debt Clock in New York, Friday, July 3, 2009. Already complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades, economists warn that the mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington. (AP Photo/Yanina Manolova)

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt.

The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolutionary War. Growing ever since, the debt stands today at a staggering $11.5 trillion _ equivalent to over $37,000 for each and every American. And it's expanding by over $1 trillion a year.

The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn.

"Unless we demonstrate a strong commitment to fiscal sustainability in the longer term, we will have neither financial stability nor healthy economic growth," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke recently told Congress.

Higher taxes, or reduced federal benefits and services _ or a combination of both _ may be the inevitable consequences.

The debt is complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades as stimulus and bailout spending combine with lower tax revenues to widen the gap.

Interest payments on the debt alone cost $452 billion last year _ the largest federal spending category after Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security and defense. It's quickly crowding out all other government spending. And the Treasury is finding it harder to find new lenders.

The United States went into the red the first time in 1790 when it assumed $75 million in the war debts of the Continental Congress.

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Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, said, "A national debt, if not excessive, will be to us a national blessing."

Some blessing.

Since then, the nation has only been free of debt once, in 1834-1835.

The national debt has expanded during times of war and usually contracted in times of peace, while staying on a generally upward trajectory. Over the past several decades, it has climbed sharply _ except for a respite from 1998 to 2000, when there were annual budget surpluses, reflecting in large part what turned out to be an overheated economy.

The debt soared with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and economic stimulus spending under President George W. Bush and now Obama.

The odometer-style "debt clock" near Times Square _ put in place in 1989 when the debt was a mere $2.7 trillion _ ran out of numbers and had to be shut down when the debt surged past $10 trillion in 2008.

The clock has since been refurbished so higher numbers fit. There are several debt clocks on Web sites maintained by public interest groups that let you watch hundreds, thousands, millions zip by in a matter of seconds.

The debt gap is "something that keeps me awake at night," Obama says.

He pledged to cut the budget "deficit" roughly in half by the end of his first term. But "deficit" just means the difference between government receipts and spending in a single budget year.

This year's deficit is now estimated at about $1.85 trillion.

Deficits don't reflect holdover indebtedness from previous years. Some spending items _ such as emergency appropriations bills and receipts in the Social Security program _ aren't included, either, although they are part of the national debt.

The national debt is a broader, and more telling, way to look at the government's balance sheets than glancing at deficits.

According to the Treasury Department, which updates the number "to the penny" every few days, the national debt was $11,518,472,742,288 on Wednesday.

The overall debt is now slightly over 80 percent of the annual output of the entire U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product.

By historical standards, it's not proportionately as high as during World War II, when it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP. But it's still a huge liability.

Also, the United States is not the only nation struggling under a huge national debt. Among major countries, Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada have comparable debts as percentages of their GDPs.

Where does the government borrow all this money from?

The debt is largely financed by the sale of Treasury bonds and bills. Even today, amid global economic turmoil, those still are seen as one of the world's safest investments.

That's one of the rare upsides of U.S. government borrowing.

Treasury securities are suitable for individual investors and popular with other countries, especially China, Japan and the Persian Gulf oil exporters, the three top foreign holders of U.S. debt.

But as the U.S. spends trillions to stabilize the recession-wracked economy, helping to force down the value of the dollar, the securities become less attractive as investments. Some major foreign lenders are already paring back on their purchases of U.S. bonds and other securities.

And if major holders of U.S. debt were to flee, it would send shock waves through the global economy _ and sharply force up U.S. interest rates.

As time goes by, demographics suggest things will get worse before they get better, even after the recession ends, as more baby boomers retire and begin collecting Social Security and Medicare benefits.

While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt _ and what it might mean for future generations.

If things can't be turned around, including establishing a more efficient health care system, "We are on an utterly unsustainable fiscal course," said the White House budget director, Peter Orszag.

Some budget-restraint activists claim even the debt understates the nation's true liabilities.

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, established by a former commerce secretary and investment banker, argues that the $11.4 trillion debt figures does not take into account roughly $45 trillion in unlisted liabilities and unfunded retirement and health care commitments.

That would put the nation's full obligations at $56 trillion, or roughly $184,000 per American, according to this calculation.

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On the Net:

Treasury Department "to the penny" national debt breakdown: http://tinyurl.com/yrxrsh

Peter G. Peterson Foundation independent assessment of the national debt: http://www.pgpf.org/

"Deficits do Matter" debt clock: http://tinyurl.com/l6mvjb

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
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- mtracy9 I'm a Fan of mtracy9 232 fans permalink

"America has a strong economy and a surplus.... Now is the time to reform the tax code and share some of the surplus with the people who pay the bills."
--George W. Bush, nomination acceptance speech, 3 August 2000

After the election of 2000, Bush and a Republican-led Congress reduced income taxes, with the majority of the tax cuts going to America's wealthiest individuals. With the introduction of Bush's tax cuts, the budget surplus immediately disappeared and deficits resumed. By the end of Bush's eight-year term, the national debt stood at $10 trillion -- double its level when Bush assumed office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 07/04/2009

Can you say 9/11 and Katrina? So whats Obama's solution? Pay all my campaign contributors before we run out of money......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 07/04/2009
- mtracy9 I'm a Fan of mtracy9 232 fans permalink

Ronnie RayGun never produced any budget surpluses; Bill Clinton did. What was Ronnie's excuse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 07/04/2009
- Avigdor I'm a Fan of Avigdor 3 fans permalink

Didn't you hear? Bush is gone. Barack Hussein Obama is president now, and Democrats control the entire federal government - plus 28 extrinsic czardoms. The country is in debt up to our eyeballs, unemployment is at 16.5% (if you include those unemployed who no longer receive checks) and we're losing more jobs every month at a staggering rate (increasing 35% from May to June).

In a few short months, we have lost both our free market economy and the rule of law (presidents don't usually hire and fire CEO's and interfere in corporate bankruptcy proceedings). And even Helen Thomas is aghast at Obama's control and manipulation of the media.

After watching the Left despise, villify and demonize the federal government for eight years, it's amazing to see that all of sudden, you can't get enough it. As 39% of Democrats think rule by one party is best, I think you should enjoy it while you can. At some point, though, blaming Bush is going to get old. Sooner or later everyone will have to admit that The Great Obama is in the hot seat now.

But don't blame me; I voted for the guy whose birth certificate was subject to congressional hearings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 07/04/2009

Maybe the neo-conservatives could send their children to war, and then there wouldn't be any and we wouldn't have a subprime mortgage crisis because the Fed needed to raise capital by encouraging irresponsible lending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 07/04/2009
- Haus I'm a Fan of Haus 5 fans permalink
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.Com bubble that provided all those capital gains went *POP*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 07/04/2009
- mtracy9 I'm a Fan of mtracy9 232 fans permalink

Ronnie RayGun tripled the national debt, while GW Bush doubled it again. Compared to the Republicans, the Democrats look like spendthrifts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 AM on 07/04/2009

That's a lot of stats. But the only thing that matters is cash flow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 07/04/2009
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I ain't paying a dime. Consider any calls from China going to my voicemail. Collect your unsecured debt from someone else's children.

Ya'll liberals voted for this so ya'll liberals cough up the dough!

Enjoy your new dominance!

HA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 07/04/2009
- Mogamboguru I'm a Fan of Mogamboguru 332 fans permalink
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80 percent of all debt was amassed by Republican presidents.

Now Obama is liable to clean up behind your kin.

Enjoy your unemployment-benefits.

Thank you for nothing, dolt.

HA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 07/04/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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Republicans get unemployment-benefits? Why that's socialism,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 07/04/2009

Truth hurts doesn't it! Jeffrey (above) is right and you know it! Good luck and enjoy your dominance......As far as I am concerned, you can keep the change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 AM on 07/04/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 48 fans permalink
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Republicans don't pay their bills. Especially war bills. They want their wars, but they don't want to pay for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 AM on 07/04/2009
- dashcat I'm a Fan of dashcat 14 fans permalink

Your guy Bush borrowed trillions from China to pay for his wars and you no longer feel responsible for the bills? How nice for you. So your solution to the debt that George made is to just ignore it and let someone else pay for it?

Is that fiscally responsible? Is that how Repubs get their illusion that they are fiscally responsible?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 07/04/2009

GOP wanted to regulate Fannie and Freddie and your man Barnie blocked it.......thats what started this mess....don't blame anybody else!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 AM on 07/04/2009

Please Grow up,

Every Republican administration since Reagan has done everything it could to lower wages on working people and raise corporate incomes. The Republicans have always been tools of corporate america and never done a thing to support working people.

It's tools like you that still, after all these decades, support Republican propoganda that keep the country from truly getting it's collective act together.

Both the Democrats and Republicans are bought and paid for by multi-national corporations and lobbyist, they could care less about working people, the Democrats just put on a better face.

Unfortunately, I think we elected a President with the knowledge and will to get the country back on track, but between fighting Republican naysayers, Democratic turncoats, and a uninformed public,, I give him only the slimest chance of succeeding.

Stop thinking Republican/Democrate, left or right, start thinking Corporations vs. workers, then you'll at least see it coming when you're getting screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 07/04/2009
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This is the kind of stupidity that is bringing our Country down.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 07/04/2009
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Better yet let's open the granaries and feed ALL the Hungry, and let the Wall Street money-skimmers and scammers eat paper for awhile and see how they like it. And stop helping dictators and religious tyrants today. Help the women and kids all over the free world first, starting at home. Empower the working class again, and let's see some leaders w/ big help for each man and woman living under the thumbs of bill collectors and ever-inflating cost of living. Cancel their debts first...our debts, and start VALUING our own national treasures as national assets, not privately-gamed assets.
Big crises are coming until we find solutions to empower each and every person as equals in the fellowship to transcend the bondage of the lord of the ring of gold worship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 07/04/2009
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China is not the big player, US and Eurozone elites are. China's economy is $3 T/year, the US is $14 T/year, and China and ALL offshore nations only hold about $3 T of US Debt totals, meaning US investors hold most of it onshore, banking corporates, MNCs, pension funds, and the like (holders of that debt in the form of US Treasury and state treasury bonds repaid over 10 to 30 yrs...i.e. deferred debt). The Rich and Powerful try to deceive Americans into thinking its owed offshore, and the people aren't the originators of the wealth that the richest are squandering, because otherwise the Working Class may demand shares of the wealth, shares of company profits and shares of the ownership of the companies their own work makes possible, shares of the commonwealth, in landshares and resource shares rather than allowing the continuing casino game of derivatives-trading continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 07/04/2009
- marijam I'm a Fan of marijam 48 fans permalink
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We need to stop state pension funds investing in Wall Street. They need to go back to Treasury bonds, period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 AM on 07/04/2009
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agree absolutely )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 07/04/2009
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http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Everyone check out the US Debt Clock and keep up to date with the HUGE DEBT MOUNTAIN piling up. The Biggest Problem is that worldwide corporates having been playing us all for suckers for years to pump up bigger and bigger profits on housing costs, oil and fuels costs, food costs, education costs, by plying ever-longer payback loans with penalty clauses and deferred balloon interest rate clauses. Isn't it strange that all the religions of the world are full of thou-shalt-not's forbidding the taking of properties of the poor and the debtor's debts forgiveness and the forbidding of charging any interest on loans, while JC promoted the idea of just giving to one another and sharing the earth for free, and now we're stuck w/ ever-burgeoning accountancy charges, derivatives trading, and worst of all, the debts are never burned, they're re-issued as CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS, the ultimate trash pile of $643 + TRILLION US DOLLARS, growing by the billions every hour....NONE_RECOVERABLE debts being CLAIMED AS ASSETS in CDO trading.
This will never be payable, yet the PTB keeps trying to retain current property values and stock price values to keep this absolutely deadly abyss from swallowing all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 07/04/2009
- Tzimisce I'm a Fan of Tzimisce 12 fans permalink
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How about raising the top income tax bracket level to where it was in the Eisenhower years and closing all the loopholes that allow for offshoring and all that hocus-pocus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 07/04/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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You got my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 07/04/2009
- ThomH I'm a Fan of ThomH 24 fans permalink

So why exactly do we pay interest on money we borrow from banks who create it from nothing?

How about this for dealing with the national debt:

1. Print government-issued Greenbacks - like Lincoln did to finance the Civil War - NOT "Federal Reserve Notes".

2. Use them to buy up all $11+ trillion of the national debt with non-interest-bearing Greenbacks. This is perfectly legal, but doing it alone would induce inflation - not hyperinflation, but about a 50% devaluation of the dollar because it would double the money supply.

3. Counter this inflationary effect by introducing equal and opposite deflation, by upping the required banking reserve to 100%, wiping out about $11+ trillion of bank-created "credit money", now replaced by Greenbacks. Thus the money supply stays constant, avoiding inflation, with credit money replaced by government-issued Greenbacks.

After the one or two years this would take, there would no longer be any national debt or interest to be paid on it, and that result would be achieved with no inflation. Until the past couple of years, interest on the natiobal debt about equaled the deficit of $500 billion, so deficits of "normal" size would be eliminated.

And, by replacing our present fractional reserve banking with full reserve banking, we would install a stable money and banking system, rather that the inherently unsustainable one we have now, doomed to crash in a credit cruch like we are currently seeing.

Why don't we do this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 07/04/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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No profits for the wealthy and people in charge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 07/04/2009

The US dollar is the modern equivelant of the greenback ever since nixon(r) took us off the gold standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 AM on 07/04/2009

If you are so worried about debt, get YOURSELF out of debt and then you can talk.

When you owe nothing to anybody, no mortgage, no car loan, no credit card debt, no student loan, no nothing, you can talk.

When you have enough money in the bank to last a year, or a year and a half, with NO job, then your words about fiscal responsibility start to mean something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 07/04/2009

Done.

There are a few of us out here, but we're an endangered species. I own my own home, only use the one credit card I do have to make internet purchases that can't be done easily otherwise and pay it off immediately (the credit card industry refers to us, the ones who pay off before charges as deadbeats...proud to be a deadbeat!). I have no student loans, no car loan (I have a nearly 20 year old truck I bought new) no nothing...and I have enough money in the bank to last for about five years without employment...and my wife and I are NOT rich.

Can I talk?

It's called living within your means. It's called needs above and beyond wants. And a new old word to introduce to an entirely new generation...layaway. It's really about realizing that there are limitations, and that saving money is far more important than spending it. Food, water, shelter, necessities...these are the real concerns in life...and a savings account in a reputable bank or co-op (preferably the latter). SAVE DON'T SPEND!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 07/04/2009

I also have a wonderful idea for all those mailers you get each month for credit cards...which the credit industry literally spends BILLIONS on. Do not throw them out. Open them up, mark in the box "declined" and mail it back to them. I guarantee, the credit industry will suffer a major tsunami if they get ALL of their mailings returned and refused. You see, they'll have to handle them all, read them all, and file them all...billions of mailings!!!! It's an elegant and simple act...which conceivably could bring the credit industry to it's knees. We need to start a campaign...mail the credit card offers back with the pre-paid mailer, and REFUSE the card!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 AM on 07/04/2009
- plages I'm a Fan of plages 18 fans permalink

May be, hell, the banks have not completed their task of greed! Don't want a credit card, tough, its in the mail, USE IT . . Congress has sold its soul to the company store!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 07/04/2009
- newyorkid I'm a Fan of newyorkid 40 fans permalink
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That's what happen for living for so long on a credit card.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/04/2009

Sell Alaska, that should solve the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/04/2009
- Pavane I'm a Fan of Pavane 20 fans permalink
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He he.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 07/04/2009
- dobberdoss I'm a Fan of dobberdoss 29 fans permalink
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I could make your total US debt disappear within 1 decade! Want to know how?

1:Remove all unnecessary military spending

2: Stop all on going nuclear weapons research

3: NO more "black' projects for that decade

4:aim for NO more imported oil within that time frame using "green' technology

5: cut the number of public servants, in CIA, NSA and FBI.

6: Remove the FED from our monetary system NOW!

There, job done

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/04/2009
- blakestone I'm a Fan of blakestone 11 fans permalink
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I'm not sure if I could top such a stupid idea...oh...uh surrender maybe?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 07/04/2009
- dobberdoss I'm a Fan of dobberdoss 29 fans permalink
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Are you at war? again! the "price of freedom" right? pathetic. Enjoy losing your job and way of life then because YOUR bankrupt! China own you right now! No guns needed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 07/04/2009
- Tiggy I'm a Fan of Tiggy 28 fans permalink

We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our selection between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat in our drink, in our necessities and comforts, in our labors and in our amusements, for our callings and our creeds...our people.. must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses; and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live. We have not time to think, no means of calling the mis-managers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow suffers. Our landholders, too...retaining indeed the title and stewardship of estates called theirs, but held really in trust for the treasury, must...be contented with penury, obscurity and exile.. private fortunes are destroyed by public as well as by private extravagance. This is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle becomes a precedent for a second; that second for a third; and so on, till the bulk of society is reduced to mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering... And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." --Thomas Jefferson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/04/2009
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