MOUNTAIN OF DEBT: Rising debt may be next crisis

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TOM RAUM | 07/ 3/09 11:31 PM | AP

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The soaring national debt is recorded on the National Debt Clock in New York, Friday, July 3, 2009. Already complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades, economists warn that the mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington. (AP Photo/Yanina Manolova)

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt.

The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolutionary War. Growing ever since, the debt stands today at a staggering $11.5 trillion _ equivalent to over $37,000 for each and every American. And it's expanding by over $1 trillion a year.

The mountain of debt easily could become the next full-fledged economic crisis without firm action from Washington, economists of all stripes warn.

"Unless we demonstrate a strong commitment to fiscal sustainability in the longer term, we will have neither financial stability nor healthy economic growth," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke recently told Congress.

Higher taxes, or reduced federal benefits and services _ or a combination of both _ may be the inevitable consequences.

The debt is complicating efforts by President Barack Obama and Congress to cope with the worst recession in decades as stimulus and bailout spending combine with lower tax revenues to widen the gap.

Interest payments on the debt alone cost $452 billion last year _ the largest federal spending category after Medicare-Medicaid, Social Security and defense. It's quickly crowding out all other government spending. And the Treasury is finding it harder to find new lenders.

The United States went into the red the first time in 1790 when it assumed $75 million in the war debts of the Continental Congress.

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Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, said, "A national debt, if not excessive, will be to us a national blessing."

Some blessing.

Since then, the nation has only been free of debt once, in 1834-1835.

The national debt has expanded during times of war and usually contracted in times of peace, while staying on a generally upward trajectory. Over the past several decades, it has climbed sharply _ except for a respite from 1998 to 2000, when there were annual budget surpluses, reflecting in large part what turned out to be an overheated economy.

The debt soared with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and economic stimulus spending under President George W. Bush and now Obama.

The odometer-style "debt clock" near Times Square _ put in place in 1989 when the debt was a mere $2.7 trillion _ ran out of numbers and had to be shut down when the debt surged past $10 trillion in 2008.

The clock has since been refurbished so higher numbers fit. There are several debt clocks on Web sites maintained by public interest groups that let you watch hundreds, thousands, millions zip by in a matter of seconds.

The debt gap is "something that keeps me awake at night," Obama says.

He pledged to cut the budget "deficit" roughly in half by the end of his first term. But "deficit" just means the difference between government receipts and spending in a single budget year.

This year's deficit is now estimated at about $1.85 trillion.

Deficits don't reflect holdover indebtedness from previous years. Some spending items _ such as emergency appropriations bills and receipts in the Social Security program _ aren't included, either, although they are part of the national debt.

The national debt is a broader, and more telling, way to look at the government's balance sheets than glancing at deficits.

According to the Treasury Department, which updates the number "to the penny" every few days, the national debt was $11,518,472,742,288 on Wednesday.

The overall debt is now slightly over 80 percent of the annual output of the entire U.S. economy, as measured by the gross domestic product.

By historical standards, it's not proportionately as high as during World War II, when it briefly rose to 120 percent of GDP. But it's still a huge liability.

Also, the United States is not the only nation struggling under a huge national debt. Among major countries, Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada have comparable debts as percentages of their GDPs.

Where does the government borrow all this money from?

The debt is largely financed by the sale of Treasury bonds and bills. Even today, amid global economic turmoil, those still are seen as one of the world's safest investments.

That's one of the rare upsides of U.S. government borrowing.

Treasury securities are suitable for individual investors and popular with other countries, especially China, Japan and the Persian Gulf oil exporters, the three top foreign holders of U.S. debt.

But as the U.S. spends trillions to stabilize the recession-wracked economy, helping to force down the value of the dollar, the securities become less attractive as investments. Some major foreign lenders are already paring back on their purchases of U.S. bonds and other securities.

And if major holders of U.S. debt were to flee, it would send shock waves through the global economy _ and sharply force up U.S. interest rates.

As time goes by, demographics suggest things will get worse before they get better, even after the recession ends, as more baby boomers retire and begin collecting Social Security and Medicare benefits.

While the president remains personally popular, polls show there is rising public concern over his handling of the economy and the government's mushrooming debt _ and what it might mean for future generations.

If things can't be turned around, including establishing a more efficient health care system, "We are on an utterly unsustainable fiscal course," said the White House budget director, Peter Orszag.

Some budget-restraint activists claim even the debt understates the nation's true liabilities.

The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, established by a former commerce secretary and investment banker, argues that the $11.4 trillion debt figures does not take into account roughly $45 trillion in unlisted liabilities and unfunded retirement and health care commitments.

That would put the nation's full obligations at $56 trillion, or roughly $184,000 per American, according to this calculation.

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On the Net:

Treasury Department "to the penny" national debt breakdown: http://tinyurl.com/yrxrsh

Peter G. Peterson Foundation independent assessment of the national debt: http://www.pgpf.org/

"Deficits do Matter" debt clock: http://tinyurl.com/l6mvjb

WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
WASHINGTON — The Founding Fathers left one legacy not celebrated on Independence Day but which affects us all. It's the national debt. The country first got into debt to help pay for the Revolu...
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- opine2u I'm a Fan of opine2u 14 fans permalink

Like California, get ready America for IOU's for you and yours. Monopoly money will soon have more value than the dollar if it hasn't already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 07/04/2009
- Tiggy I'm a Fan of Tiggy 28 fans permalink

It does...lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 07/04/2009
- Jannsmoor I'm a Fan of Jannsmoor 100 fans permalink

Nobel Prize Winning economist Joseph Stigletz has done the only in depth analysis of the cost of the Iraq war. Even if we left last week, the cost will exceed $3 trillion.
The latest economic fiasco engineered by Wall Street Privateers, virtually all of which took place under the Bush administration, has devalued our homes by $3.9 trillion and our financial assets, mostly in pensions, by $13.9 trillion.
This during the time middle class wages were largely stagnant, Bush had pushed through massive tax cuts for the rich and powerful, and CEO income soared.
Kind of makes you wish we hadn't elected a President who didn't believe in government. Where would we be now with no Iraq war, no Bush $5 trillion debt legacy, sensible investment in new energy sources, fair taxes, and some common sense Wall Street Regulation? Instead of watching millions fall from the middle class, we would have watched millions more rise into the middle class.
Don't even think of blaming Obama for the Bush disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/04/2009
- opine2u I'm a Fan of opine2u 14 fans permalink

But you didn't vote for Al Gore as suggested by Bill Clinton in one of his more serious speeches, you went for an unknown clown, like they've done once again. Economic intelligence in America is nearly non existent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 07/04/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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McCain was a known clown and not a very good one. So what's your alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 AM on 07/04/2009
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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Kudos, well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/04/2009

This line cracks me up:

"Deficits don't reflect holdover indebtedness from previous years."

Talk about a sham! That's like saying I opened a visa card with one bank and ran it up to a debt of 10k for 2007, then opened another and ran it up $10k for 2008, but I'm only in debt for the $10k I ran up for 2008! Do they really think we're that stupid so they can fudge the numbers?? And how is not counting social security among other items not obscuring the truth? I'd like to not count my mortgage as debt too if we get to choose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 07/04/2009
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 60 fans permalink
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You are confusing "Total Debt" with current year over spending( current deficit).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 07/04/2009
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Is this not part of a businessweek article?

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D99773JO0.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/04/2009
- aspertame2 I'm a Fan of aspertame2 13 fans permalink

As a non-financial person, like many, I know I'd benefit from some context here, i.e. knowing:

1) What do other countries owe (and in proportion to their population or GNP)?

2) To whom? (Who debts how much to the U.S., for starters?)

If we are getting to a tipping point of ONLY being able to service the debt, is it time for the biblical institution of Jubilee to be invoked? You can talk about Global currency collapse and Armageddon under the scenario, but how does that play out worse than the "can only make the minimum monthly, if that?" scenario? U.S. declares bankruptcy, dares world to stop selling stuff to us. Film at 11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 07/04/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

The net value of our military assets alone dwarf the national debt number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 07/04/2009
- opine2u I'm a Fan of opine2u 14 fans permalink

You sound like someone who would sell them at the profit of them being pointed right at you. Your suicidal wish come true, might just end any debt, once they pull the trigger you gave them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/04/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

Like a cross-eyed marksman aiming to the right to hit the target missed, you missed the point of my comment significantly.

An amount of debt is only understandable in the context of equity. Alone, it is just a number, or in this case, a talking point to generate fear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 07/04/2009
- argeec I'm a Fan of argeec 7 fans permalink

"economists of all stripes warn"

This is an utterly false statement. Many economists will say that reducing the stimulus too soon, as happened in 1937, would be a bigger mitake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 07/04/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

Absolutely! The "crisis" is an available cash crunch, not full blown debt to equity problem. Don't let gopper talking points scare you. Fear is all they got.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 07/04/2009
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 293 fans permalink
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I once read there was a tipping point for the National Debt where debt servicing would continue to grow, unstoppable, until it overwhelmed every other area of the US Budget. I thought that tipping point of no return was 10 trillion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/04/2009
- sosi I'm a Fan of sosi 8 fans permalink
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Most hard working people cleaned out; the government deep in dept. Is this why some are filthy rich?
Fact: In this country today, top 1% controls about 50% of the wealth, bottom 80% has less than 10%.

Wealth, Income, and Power
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

The Great American Bubble Machine, Matt Taibbi on how Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/the_great_american_bubble_machine#

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 07/04/2009

Can someone explain why debt is only an issue when a Democrat is in the Whitehouse. And why do we keep hearing the same argument that has been used for decades about our children and grand children will have to pay for this debt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/04/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

Speaking of the national debt outside of the context of the national balance sheet IS a gopper talking point only. The balance sheet is necessary for context. Otherwise it's just a scary sounding number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 07/04/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

Talking about how much time would pass if each dollar of debt were a second is obfuscation and meant to scare people to turn them into a vote. Remember Reagan's ridiculous graphs he used to sell us trickle down BS?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 07/04/2009
- worldman49 I'm a Fan of worldman49 7 fans permalink

The top marginal income tax rate in the US reached 91.8% in the 1950s. That's one way by which the national debt got reduced from its peak of 120 percent of GDP during World War II.

Since the US is now a bank-owned state following last year's shakedown, maybe Wall Street should be held responsible for this $11.5 trillion debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 07/03/2009
- hkochii I'm a Fan of hkochii 4 fans permalink
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If each dollar was represented by one second and you wanted to wait for one trillion seconds to pass you better get very comfortable.

It takes more than 317 centuries, over 31,700 years for one trillion seconds to tic by.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 07/03/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

How many milliums would it take to equal the national equity if each second were a dollar of equity?

What does a second have to do with anything relating to the national balance sheet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 AM on 07/04/2009
- opine2u I'm a Fan of opine2u 14 fans permalink

And it takes Obama almost at the speed of any second to be given another Trillion to spend. At his rate of borrowing and spending, the US should be around for as long as it takes for God to take notice of America's desire to inform Him 'In God We Trust,' meaning never. The USA no longer exists as it is. Only last month Barack Obama said," There's no more money." The US is a fantasy being run on thin air. Even China can't sustain this joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 07/04/2009
- kamachanda I'm a Fan of kamachanda 27 fans permalink

Tom Raum is aware of the public's discomfort with the exploding national debt, and is perfectly willing to hit as many GOP talking points as possible to spread the fear. I am also not happy with the debt, so I will be glad to hear him out though I wish he would come up with some solid suggestions to begin dealing with the problem. He could say we should cancel all the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy for starters. Though I am not familiar with him worrying at all about the budget when Bush was in power and assuming huge national liabilities with an illegal war in Iraq.

I know there are some honest conservatives in the world, I assume they must be the quiet ones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 07/03/2009
- Irishman40 I'm a Fan of Irishman40 12 fans permalink

Hey here's an idea for dealing with debt. How about SPENDING LESS? The federal government performs a lot of functions today that it was NEVER intended to perform by our founding fathers: Medicare, social security, education spending (military defense IS one of the few functions it was set up to perform). With 11 Trillion in current debt and another $45Trillion in unfunded liabilities, at some point it is going to become impossible to giver everyone, everything they were promised.

The federal government should start lowering spending in ALL areas that are not its primary responsibility (several functions are also performed at the state level)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/04/2009
- Tackora I'm a Fan of Tackora 11 fans permalink

I want to know to whom do we owe all that debt?
To whom do Japan, Italy, India, France, Germany and Canada owe comparable percentages of their GDPs? To extraterrestrials, because there are not to many wealthy nations besides them! It is a mathematical impossibility that every living person is in debt, without others, to whom they owe an equal amount. WHO ARE THEY and to start with HOW DID THEY EARNED THEIR TRILLIONS TO BE ABLE TO LEND IT TO US AND EVERYBODY ELSE?
Why is it that such breakdown of the debt is not public knowledge? Why don't we do real math with known quantities on both sides of the equation, and draw thereafter proper political conclusions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/03/2009
- opine2u I'm a Fan of opine2u 14 fans permalink

Absolutely correct. If everyone demanded answers to your questions and wouldn't let up until they got their questions answered, maybe something could be done about it, but as it is right now the last few generations are living like they are zombies performing in a circus of madness and economic iPod delight. It's too late! Only another world war or nuclear shock wave, might jar a conscious reawakening and realization of the mess they're in. It's that bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/04/2009

China...their day will come - mark my words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 07/04/2009
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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We are heading to an oligarchic system based on powerful interests. The country is sinking and with it the constitution of the USA. We can split as the Soviet Union did in order to compensate for our immense debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 07/03/2009
- blastocyst I'm a Fan of blastocyst 28 fans permalink

And we can conduct interesting side-wars as they do.
Entertain the globe with the disintegration they're rooting for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 07/03/2009

How would the US split? White states vs non-white states? Rich states vs poor states? North vs South? How would splitting up the US help anything? Who is wishing to split and why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 07/03/2009
- gakabani I'm a Fan of gakabani 20 fans permalink
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Different states have different economical profiles, Texas is quite ready if it comes to that. There are many others but who knows? I base my opinion on what happened to the USSR. I may be wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 07/04/2009

There's no 'heading' about it...we're there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 07/04/2009
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