Ruth Madoff's Fur Coat Taken By The Feds

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LARRY NEUMEISTER | July 3, 2009 01:59 AM EST | AP

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FILE - In this March 22, 2009 file photo, the building in midtown Manhattan in New York where Bernard Madoff and wife Ruth own a penthouse apartment is seen in this aerial view. The U.S. Marshals Service have taken possession of the $7 million Manhattan penthouse Thursday, July 2, 2009. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, File)

NEW YORK — Federal marshals seized disgraced financier Bernard Madoff's $7 million Manhattan penthouse on Thursday and forced his wife to move out and leave her possessions behind, including a fur coat she had asked to take with her, an official told The Associated Press.

Proceeds from a sale of the property and its contents could be used to help reimburse those who lost billions of dollars investing with Madoff before he confessed to running a Ponzi scheme.

U.S. Marshal Joseph Guccione said the marshals arrived at the property at noon with a court order permitting them to take custody of the apartment and to make anyone living there move out. Guccione said Madoff's wife Ruth had been advised in advance of the marshals' plans and was leaving the residence and surrendering all personal property.

"She will be leaving," he said at midday. "Restitution for the victims is the government's top priority."

Typically, the U.S. Marshals Service changes all locks and secures a property when it seizes a location.

By about 1 p.m. EDT, 67-year-old Ruth Madoff had left. It was not immediately clear where she went to live.

Ruth Madoff first argued with marshals who came to the apartment and asked to stay, then asked if she could take a fur coat with her, a federal official informed of Ruth Madoff's departure told The AP. The official wasn't authorized to discuss details of her encounter with marshals and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Ruth Madoff walked out of the apartment carrying just a straw bag after she was told she couldn't take her coat, the official said.

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"This cheap effort to smear Ruth Madoff is meritless _ with a little over two days to pack up her entire life of 68 years and find a new place to live, Ruth still managed to move out right on time, in an orderly fashion and in total compliance with her court approved agreement," said her lawyer, Peter Chavkin. "And it was she who forfeited the furs last Friday as the publicly filed stipulation states."

"These anonymous attacks on her should stop," Chavkin added.

The 71-year-old Madoff was sentenced Monday to 150 years in prison. He pleaded guilty in March to charges that his investment advisory business was a multibillion-dollar Ponzi scheme that wiped out thousands of investors and ruined charities.

Authorities said Madoff had carried out the fraud for at least two decades before confessing to his sons in December that his investment business was a fraud and that he had lost as much as $50 billion.

Last week, Ruth Madoff agreed to give up all of her possessions in return for a promise that federal prosecutors would not pursue $2.5 million not tied to the fraud. The money, though, is not protected from civil legal actions that might be pursued by a court-appointed trustee liquidating Madoff's assets or by investor lawsuits.

Ruth Madoff broke her silence Monday when she said in a statement that her husband "stunned us all with his confession and is responsible for this terrible situation in which so many now find themselves."

Before she agreed on a deal with the government to resolve her finances a week ago, Ruth Madoff had indicated through lawyers that she planned to try to keep the penthouse and an additional $62 million in assets as unrelated to the fraud.

Before the fraud was exposed, the Madoffs had homes in Palm Beach, Fla., the south of France and the tip of Long Island along with the midtown Manhattan penthouse. They also traveled by private jet and yacht.

The couple met at their Queens high school and married in 1959. Ruth Madoff worked with her husband when he started his financial business in 1960 and she reportedly still had an office near his when the fraud was exposed.

Madoff has said he operated his fraud without the knowledge of his family.

NEW YORK — Federal marshals seized disgraced financier Bernard Madoff's $7 million Manhattan penthouse on Thursday and forced his wife to move out and leave her possessions behind, including a f...
NEW YORK — Federal marshals seized disgraced financier Bernard Madoff's $7 million Manhattan penthouse on Thursday and forced his wife to move out and leave her possessions behind, including a f...
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- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 231 fans permalink
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Well Pat Nixon made due with a cloth caot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 07/03/2009

Rough night?

....made do with a cloth coat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/03/2009

No one likes the grammar police.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 07/03/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 231 fans permalink
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Maybe there is room at the Inn for Ruthie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 07/03/2009
- LizinOhio I'm a Fan of LizinOhio 10 fans permalink
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"This cheap effort to smear Ruth Madoff is meritless ...

Yeah, cry me a river. I have no sympathy for her, her husband, their attorney (I'm sure he has made out just fine). As for those posts that say we should only be angry with the SEC ... I say we can be angry with all of the above, including the SEC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/03/2009
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

In all of the Ruth Madoff threads, I have seen exactly one person beside myself (oceanlover) point out the fact that the Feds have NO PROOF that Ruth Madoff was in on it. "Well, she MUST have known," simply isn't true.

My boyfriend leaves the house and goes to work. He's tried to explain to me what he does, but I'm like, "Huh?" I've been to his job ONCE, in 2 years, just to drop him off. We have separate bank accounts. I don't know how much money he has. I've never snooped through his financial records. His last job was overseas in Qatar for a year and a half. I never saw where he worked. I have no way to prove that he actually was gone.

If the Feds showed up today and told me that this guy that I've known for 4 years of my life has been doing illegal things, I would be FLOORED. When you actually TRUST someone there is no NEED to disbelieve them when they tell you where they're going or what they're doing.

Should I mistrust any expensive gifts from my boyfriend? Ask him, "Did you buy this through ill-gotten means, honey?" any time he gets me something?

Show me solid proof that she knew about it, and I'll condemn her with the rest of you. Until then, I think this is less about Ruth Madoff and more about some sick need to see a wealthy person lose it all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/03/2009
- LizinOhio I'm a Fan of LizinOhio 10 fans permalink
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The only hole in your argument is that Mrs. Madoff worked WITH her husband for years. He didn't just GO to work and she had no idea what he did. I can't tell you what my husband does, but then I don't work with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 07/03/2009
- oceanlover I'm a Fan of oceanlover 4 fans permalink

Lizzy in Ohio,

Have you really done due diligence in understanding the entire financial/business picture with Madoff and his firm(S)?! Clearly not, because you, and everybody else would think twice before flatly condemning this woman for "having known" . There were separate businesses, one legit, one not. I haven't read anywhere, at all, that Ruth worked the illegitimate one in a capacity that would prove without a question of doubt that she was involved in illegal transactions. (If someone can point me to a credible article on the subject I'd be grateful.) Finally, do you really believe that the feds haven't scoured tooth and nail any lead pointing in the direction of Ruth Madoff having known? Obviously, it is NOT THERE! Once it is proven with substantive facts that Ruth knew, then I'll change my tune. But the Feds have said she personally will NOT be charged. THAT is pause for consideration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 07/03/2009

Sorry, LizinOhio, she did not work with him.

She had an office near to his. That's all. When they met, they worked together, but that was trading penny stocks. That is vastly different from the sophistication of portfolio management.

Most portfolio mangers are MBA's and believe it or not, many have a string of other degrees as well. Almost all of them are CFA's in addition to their other degrees. It takes three year gruelling years to complete a CFA, which is recognized world wide and has an approximate 45% to 50% failure rate in the first year because it is so difficult.

I don't believe Ruth Madoff even went to university. Also, the fact that Bernie Madoff did not have these designations should have been a HUGE RED FLAG for the investors, but they were greedy too and didn't bother to check.

Some advice: find out what your husband does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 07/03/2009
- LynnTTT I'm a Fan of LynnTTT 5 fans permalink

If a robber held you up, stole $1000 from you, got your diamond ring and took your car, took it home and gave it to his wife, would you let her keep it all because she didn't know where it came from? No difference. And Madoff's wife had an office at the business address of Madoff. And surely no one thinks that Bernie could process all this fraudulent paperwork himself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 07/03/2009
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

Any business has a variety of tasks that need to be accomplished, and in large companies, one hand does not always know what the other hand is doing. I worked at an insurance company in the communications department. I was a web designer. I knew nothing about the insurance parts. 3000 people worked in that building. The CEO's wife was the director on our floor. When news broke that the CEO was having an affair, she was one of the last people to know. Have you EVER worked in a large company!?

I agree that the wife of that robber would not get to keep my stuff. At the same time, if she had no idea her husband had robbed me, I'm not going to blame HER for the robbery. And I'm sure as heck not going to insist that she give me her diamond ring to replace the one her husband stole, UNLESS I had proof that she was in on the robbery or knew about it.

There is NO PROOF. Only people's assumptions, and those assumptions just aren't rooted in reality. It is completely possible to work in a company and not know what's going on financially, even IF your spouse does. Even if your husband worked in accounting, and you worked next door to him as, I don't know, official web designer, there'd be no reason for you to have details about the company's finances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 07/03/2009

Paganmist, how could you have missed my comments. I have been a lone fighter here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 07/03/2009
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

Hey Neva. Sorry for not calling you out. I didn't see your comments.

There is something disturbing about how people are going after this woman. I would be HEARTBROKEN if my boyfriend turned out to be a criminal. Men cheat and lie and do dishonest things all the time, and their girlfriends/wives are always raked over the coals because they should have been telepathic or so paranoid that they kept tabs on the guy's every move.

People have unrealistic expectations of a wife's role in a marriage. It's like they think she should be her husband's keeper and know every single detail about what he does, so as to prevent him from doing something illegal or fraudulent. It doesn't make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 07/03/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 32 fans permalink
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I agree. There is no proof that Mrs. Madoff was involved. When the Feds punish a criminals family they themselves are acting like mobsters and thugs.
Usually prosecutors throw the book at criminals and accuse them of things that can't be proven in an attempt to get a plea bargain.
The problem is that sometimes, the accused will not fight back and so they get clobbered with lots of false accusations.
People that don't pay their rent or don't pay their mortgage payments usually get 6 months to 2 years to vacate their homes. New York City is even more generous with delinquent tenants.
This is a way the Feds can punish Bernie. Go after his family and harass them. It's
what the mob does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 07/03/2009
- tc2598 I'm a Fan of tc2598 14 fans permalink

She's not losing it all - she's keeping 2.5 million.

And the difference between your boyfriend and Bernie Madoff is approximately 50 billion dollars.

In short, yes, if your boyfriend gives you a stolen necklace, you're going to have to give that back when he is arrested later for stealing it. And it might mean you're a poor judge of character, sure, and maybe you don't deserve to be demonized for it. But you don't deserve to keep the necklace, either. And if the stolen necklace makes you a poor judge of character, what does the multi-billion dollar figure Bernie stole, what does that make Ruth? A super duper poor judge of character?

I mean, I'm not sure I'm reading this right. We're all feeling sorry for Ruth Madoff and her $2.5 million dollars? Cause you know, it's not likely that that's all the money she's got. If I were running a multi-billion dollar scam, I'd have millions of dollars stashed all over the world, and I'd make sure my wife knew where it was, if I ever got caught.

As for solid proof, fortunately, Federal Marshals do not have to show you proof. That's what court of law are for. Waving all the proof you have in a case around to every internet poster is not how it works.

I think I'll go print up some Free Ruth Madoff tee shirts. And then perhaps I'll be sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 07/03/2009
- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

I'm not saying she should get to keep it all. When you marry someone, you're basically saying that should the sh*t hit the fan, you're partially responsible for what they do. That's what marriage is, right? So technically, legally, Ruth has to pay for her husband's crimes.

That does NOT mean that she's GUILTY of his crimes. You can't see a difference? I think that you and others are blinded by the fact that she's lived a rich life. To you, the fact that she's wealthy means that she deserves no sympathy, even though the FATHER OF HER CHILDREN has swindled BILLIONS of dollars and her entire LIFE is now RUINED.

To people like you, women who are victimized by husbands who commit crimes aren't deserving of sympathy. They should have "somehow known" that their husbands were dishonest, even though the whole point of getting married is that you TRUST the other person!

It is obvious that this man was an A-1 liar. He was a con man of the highest degree. He tricked intelligent businesspeople into giving him their money, people who DIDN'T love and trust him. If he could trick them, why not his wife? Men do it all the time!

Fine, she's rich. She'll be okay. I'm as broke as dirt. My sympathy doesn't reach THAT far - I'm not a saint. But I AM a logical person who doesn't delight in the misery of others simply because they're rich and I'm not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 07/03/2009
- NY Grandma I'm a Fan of NY Grandma 7 fans permalink
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I believe she has a stash somewhere. I hope the victims go after the 2.5 million. She knew. There is no way she didn't. I know there is no proof, but she knew something was up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 07/03/2009
- MizJ I'm a Fan of MizJ 8 fans permalink

She knew. Of course she knew. And all the boo hooing and woe is me she can produce won't change that fact. Too bad she was unable to take her fur coat. Much of what they "owned" was paid for from stealing somebody else's money. How many charities are close to defunct because of the millions spent to keep up their lavish lifestyle.

If she ends up in a two room apartment in the heart of the Bronx she should consider herself lucky to have a roof over her head. These two represent the worst of arrogant thieves who thought they were above it all. Good riddance!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 07/03/2009

Do you have evidence that she knew?

Do you have evidence that she was involved?

If not, then why the post?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 07/03/2009

Hey, what's wrong with the Bronx!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 07/03/2009
- bowthai I'm a Fan of bowthai 20 fans permalink

Frankly, I don't care how much she knew or did not. If her husband really deceived her all these years, then sorry for her. And if she did know..... But the larger point is, casualties of crimes are not limited to the criminal and his or her immediate victims. Everyone loses eventually with someone like Bernie Madoff, including his family. Some of his unassuming investors were completely wiped out so the fact that his wife is getting the boot, fur coat or not, does not move me one way or the other. If anyone wants to point blame for what she is going through now, then they need to start with her husband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 07/03/2009
- Queenhuh I'm a Fan of Queenhuh 15 fans permalink
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Doesn't she know the coat looked better on the animal who was skinned alive for it? But considering she and her family skinned alive everyone they came into contact with, she wouldn't have empathy for a poor animal let alone her own species. Ruth Madoff and her family wouldn't have had anything to do with the likes of us unless we had enough money for them to pilfer. She should have been stripped of her coat and 2.5 mill. If she's expecting sympathy, she really is out of touch with reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 07/03/2009
- ramal I'm a Fan of ramal 70 fans permalink
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Fur is dead. The thing should be buried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 07/03/2009
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Take some of that 2.5 million and get another fur coat, and quit whining.
You're fighting to take over Leona Helmseley's spot, aintcha?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 07/03/2009
- LittleGirl I'm a Fan of LittleGirl 3 fans permalink

2 days notice? Come on. Bernie turned himself in back in December. She's had plenty of time to move her things and take what she wanted. This report is a joke. Wasn't it reported she withdrew millions of dollars before he admitted guilt then too? Or is that report as 'investigative' as this one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 07/03/2009
- sockman I'm a Fan of sockman 33 fans permalink
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Someone should tell her there is no "coat check" in hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 07/03/2009

I have read the fur coat was worth $400,000. Please someone who knows, tell me what kind of fur coat is worth that. I admit I know very little about fur coats. Help someone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/03/2009
- oceanlover I'm a Fan of oceanlover 4 fans permalink

If one does further research on the "story" that Ruth asked to take a fur coat with her, they would easily find that has been fully discounted already. This is merely just another fable to defame the woman and stoke the anger against her, lest we all suddenly decide to place our anger where it really is WELL deserved and SHOULD be placed rather than at the feet of Ruth. i.e. The SEC and lack of real investigative business journalists (hello Business Week and Fortune) out there to prevent frauds like this from happening in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 07/03/2009
- crazyv I'm a Fan of crazyv 8 fans permalink

the best way to prevent a fraud is for investors to do some thinking first. Those of not invested with Madoff have no reason to be angry with anybody. The SEC was incompetent, Madoff a crook and the investors greedy. They all deserved each other.

Time to do away with the SEC allow investors to accept the full risk of making investments. Nobody who has invested in an FDIC insured bank CD has lost money. They might not have got rich but that is the whole point- making money takes effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 07/03/2009

I should have known that. Sort of like Cindy McCain's outfit costs $300,000 or some silliness as that. Anything to stoke the anger, you are right, reminds me of the Sarah comments that get posted here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 07/03/2009
- igorz I'm a Fan of igorz 25 fans permalink

Oh please. They let the crook walk with $2.5 million in stolen money but want to sound tough with a fur coat? What a pathetic joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 07/03/2009
- xmw I'm a Fan of xmw 18 fans permalink

I agree. Let her have the coat and they should have kept the 2.5 mil

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 07/03/2009
- Mij13 I'm a Fan of Mij13 62 fans permalink
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How delicious! Come on Ruth! Come clean. This is what sometimes happens to those who deserve to go to hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 07/03/2009
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Aaaaaaaaaa­aaawwwwww. . . .that's too bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 AM on 07/03/2009
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