US Marines Push Deeper Into Southern Afghan Towns

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U.S. Marines from the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, 1st Battalion 5th Marines takes positions along a tree line in the Nawa district in Afghanistan's Helmand province Friday, July 3, 2009. U.S. forces have encountered little resistance in the initial phase of a massive operation by some 4,000 Marines in Taliban-controlled areas of southern Afghanistan, but that's a common tactic by insurgents. (AP Photo/David Guttenfelder)

NAWA, Afghanistan _ U.S. Marines pushed deeper into Taliban areas of southern Afghanistan on Friday, seeking to cut insurgent supply lines and win over local elders on the second day of the biggest U.S. military operation here since the American-led invasion of 2001.

On the other side of the border, U.S. missiles struck a Pakistani Taliban militant training center and communications center, killing 17 people and wounding nearly 30, Pakistani intelligence officials said.

Both U.S. operations were aimed at what President Barack Obama considers as the biggest dangers in the region: a resurgent Taliban-led insurgency allied with al-Qaida that threatens both nuclear-armed Pakistan and the U.S.-backed government in Afghanistan.

The 4,000-strong U.S. force met little resistance Friday as troops fanned out into villages in Afghanistan's southern Helmand province, although one Marine was killed and several others were wounded the day before, U.S. officials said.

Despite minimal contact, the Marines could see militants using flashlights late Thursday to signal one another about American troop movements.

Military spokesman Capt. Bill Pelletier said the goal of the Helmand operation was not simply to kill Taliban fighters but to win over the local population _ a difficult task in a region where foreigners are viewed with suspicion.

Marines also hope to cut the routes used by militants to funnel weapons, ammunition and fighters from Pakistan to the Taliban, which mounted an increasingly violent insurgency since its hard-line Islamist government was toppled in 2001 by an international coalition.

The new U.S. operation will test the Obama administration's new strategy of holding territory to let the Afghan government establish a presence in rural areas where Taliban influence is strong.

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As Operation Khanjar, or "Strike of the Sword," entered its second day, Marines took control of the district centers of Nawa and Garmser, and negotiated entry into Khan Neshin, the capital of Rig district, Pelletier said.

In Nawa, Marines met with about 20 Afghan men and boys, seeking to reassure them that the Americans wanted to protect them from the Taliban.

"Are you going to enter our houses?" asked Mohammad Nabi, 25, who was there with five of his younger brothers. "We are afraid that you will leave, and the Taliban will come back."

They also complained that local police were thieves not to be trusted.

Marine officers promised not to enter homes and said they would remain in the area to keep out the Taliban.

One elder with a gray beard asked the Marines whether they would prevent residents from saying Muslim prayers. The troops assured him they would not.

In one village near Nawa, however, the atmosphere was tense.

"When we asked if they had a village elder or mullah for the American commander to talk to, the answer was no," said Capt. Drew Schoenmaker, a Marine company commander. "It's fear of reprisal. Fear and intimidation is one thing the enemy does very well."

Taking territory from the Taliban has always proved easier than holding it. The challenge is especially great in Helmand because it is a center of Afghanistan's thriving opium production, and drug profits feed both the insurgency and corrupt government officials.

On Wednesday, a British lieutenant colonel was killed in an explosion in Helmand. Lt. Col. Rupert Thorneloe, commander of the 1st Battalion Welsh Guards, was the highest-ranking British officer killed in Afghanistan.

A Canadian soldier, 30-year-old Cpl. Nicholas Bulger, was killed Friday in Kandahar province after his vehicle struck an improvised explosive device, the Canadian military said. Five other soldiers were hurt.

The missile attacks in Pakistan on Friday occurred about 620 miles (1,000 kilometers) east of Helmand in the rugged South Waziristan region, according to two officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

The area is a Taliban stronghold close to the Afghan border where Pakistani troops are gearing up for a major offensive.

Two missiles struck an abandoned seminary in the village of Mantoi used as a training base by militants from Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud's group, the officials said. In the other strike, one missile hit an insurgent communications center in the nearby village of Kokat Khel, they said.

In total, 17 people were killed and 27 others were wounded, they said.

However, Maulvi Noor Syed, an aide to Mehsud, told The Associated Press that only three Taliban fighters died in the strikes.

Also Friday, U.S. troops continued looking for an American soldier believed captured by insurgents, Navy Chief Petty Officer Brian Naranjo said. The soldier and three Afghans with him went missing on Tuesday in the eastern Paktika province

There was no immediate public claim of responsibility from any insurgent group. Much of the area is controlled by the Taliban faction led by Sirajuddin Haqqani, whom the U.S. has accused of masterminding beheadings and suicide bombings including the July 2008 attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul that killed some 60 people.

Also Friday, Russia announced that it will allow the U.S. to ship weapons across its territory to Afghanistan, providing Washington an alternative route to supply its forces in the landlocked country.

Up until now, Russia has allowed the U.S. to ship non-lethal supplies across its territory for operations in Afghanistan, and Kremlin officials had suggested further cooperation was likely.

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Straziuso reported from Nawa, Brummitt from Islamabad, Pakistan. Associated Press reporters Fisnik Abrashi, Amir Shah and Noor Khan also contributed to this report from Kabul.

NAWA, Afghanistan _ U.S. Marines pushed deeper into Taliban areas of southern Afghanistan on Friday, seeking to cut insurgent supply lines and win over local elders on the second day of the biggest U.
NAWA, Afghanistan _ U.S. Marines pushed deeper into Taliban areas of southern Afghanistan on Friday, seeking to cut insurgent supply lines and win over local elders on the second day of the biggest U.
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God Bless the troops and their families.

Thank you for my freedom

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 07/03/2009
- juzcuz I'm a Fan of juzcuz 5 fans permalink

think they'll finally find Osama bin Laden hiding under a rock? Let's hope so... him and the rest of his lizards. If they still can't find him... maybe it was Bush in diguise all this time and there was never any real terrorist.­..except for Bush & Cheney... they have been the WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION for the past 8½ years and have been the cause of our countries crumbling.
Waterboard them both and I'll bet they'll come up with all kinds of interesting horror stories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 07/03/2009

"Freedom comes from the barrel of a gun!"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/03/2009
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Gott mit uns?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 07/03/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 647 fans permalink
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I wish our troops well in this effort. I would rather they were just withdrawn, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/03/2009
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"So far, however, there has been little resistance from the Taliban."
They went back to Waziristan hoping to come back whe the heat's off.
Make strong alliances with local tribes use carrot and stick and divide and conquer and liberal bribes backed with serious firepower.
Make sure the tribes know we're staying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/03/2009
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Formula
1."Clear" territory of as many Talibs and foreign Jihadist as possible. By any means possible. Don't worry about hearts and minds. But do it quickly--1 year tops.
2."Hold" with as many troops and local alliances as necessary.
3."Rebuild­" by demanding funds from UN and especially ALL Islamic states. Try to prohibit Saudi madrasas.
Leave.

Easier said than done, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 07/03/2009

Don't forget concentration camps, commisars, death squads, rape as tactic, identity tatoos, forced labor, and everything else contingent to imperialism. Maybe parade prisoners through Washington in iron cages, so Emperor O. can view them from garland-decked dias.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 07/03/2009
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Been doing glue again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 07/03/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 647 fans permalink
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thats uncalled for nonsense..­.,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 07/03/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 54 fans permalink
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Dude---are you serious? Why is it the people on the HP hate the U.S. more than the Jihaddists do? I get such a kick out of watching the extreme American left and the Islamic right wing interact. They have so much in common.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 07/03/2009
- cheisdead I'm a Fan of cheisdead 2 fans permalink
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Chairman O - The war lord...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/03/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 21 fans permalink

I am protesteing this invasion - more death and more destruction.
People killing people with machines few make great profits from!
If most people knew the truth behind this charade, most would protest.
Thanks to all who think and know they have power of logic over ignorance and insnity.
US out of Afghanistan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/03/2009
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Dude, you forgot to add AQ INTO Afghanistan to the last sentence. Don't shy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/03/2009

Okay so tell us, what is the "truth" behind this charade, as you put it? Why should I protest?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/03/2009

Yeah its been a few hours and I still don't see any sources cited. Looks like abouttime is just another empty windbag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/03/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 21 fans permalink

More AP propaganda -- hiding the truth. "The US will have an opportunity to help develop alternate livelihoods for farmers whose opium poppy crops bankroll the Taliban, ... since the U.S.- led invasion ousted them from power in 2001."
NO, the Taliban does share a portion of the opium production there, but it is the government of Aghanistan and under the direction of the brother of President Hamid Karzai who controls MOST of the opium production.
Once again, war is a profit mechanism, employed not for mere monetary gain, but maximum profane profits, that cause innocent people to die!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/03/2009

And you get your "facts" where? Please cite some reputable sources, I'd like to read more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 07/03/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 136 fans permalink

It is not well known but the Marine Corps has an institutional history of engaging in pacification campaigns.

If the Marine Corps strategy had been pursued in Viet Nam that might have turned out differently. But it was ignored by Westmoreland and the rest of the Pentagon.

Their history goes back to when they were used as a colonizing force in Central America. Nicaragua is one of the chief examples.

While I would denounce colonialism and imperialism in all its forms that does not mean that the Marines might just come up with a successful strategy in Afghanistan.

At least I hope they can. The Afghani people need an end to this endless war. Any way possible.

So I hope this works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/03/2009
- shespeaks I'm a Fan of shespeaks 35 fans permalink
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As my Marine son would say....rog­er that. Semper Fi. Everyday my son and his men are engaging the local people and trying to win them away from the fear and intimidation of the Taliban. It is touching, and dangerous. But they are an intelligent, well-trained and dedicated force that America should be proud of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 07/03/2009
- ICorpsDoc I'm a Fan of ICorpsDoc 18 fans permalink

Hey diddle diddle right up the middle. The impression most have of the Corps is tough guys that always meet the enemy head on. Lots of muscle not much in the way of brains.

But the reality is exactly as the OP stated. The Corps does this thing very well. Its part of their DNA.

And yes in VN they wanted to fight the war this way. Westy for sure had other ideas. But in truth so did the NVA. Once the 10,000 strong 324B crossed the DMZ for the first time in the summer of 1966 this reliance on Hearts and Minds became less and less of their main mission.

If anyone can pull this off the Marines can.

S/F Brothers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2009
- jwill9981 I'm a Fan of jwill9981 2 fans permalink

This military adventure in Afghanistan needs to stop immediately. Obama knows better than this. He's caving in to pressure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/03/2009
- Imabachi I'm a Fan of Imabachi 5 fans permalink

Afghanistan is a black hole now sucking in more American blood and treasure. Americans are ignorant of the history of the place. How does the song go: "When wil they ever learn?" Get the troops out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 07/03/2009
- zizyphus I'm a Fan of zizyphus 107 fans permalink
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The reason we are now in Afghanistan killing poor people is that they are producing most of the opium which supports the the CIA's black ops, and Wall Street.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/03/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 21 fans permalink

It is run by the Karzai family!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/03/2009
- D-V-H I'm a Fan of D-V-H 366 fans permalink
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from the article-
The aim of the operation in Helmand is not simply to kill Taliban fighters but to win over the local population, Pelletier said _ a difficult task in a region where foreigners are viewed with suspicion.

"We are not worried about the Taliban, we are not focused on them. We are focused on the people," Pelletier said. "It is important to engage with the key leaders, hear what they need most and what are their priorities­."
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This gives me signs of hope that we are not relying on a strictly military solution to stability in Afghanistan. With forces like the Taliban or AQ we will never "win". The best way to reduce or eliminate their influence is to empower the local people and have their lives not dependent upon the Taliban/AQ forces. The locals first & foremost goal is to keep their families alive.
When they are able to have a sense of normalcy without the repressive tactics of the Taliban, I imagine they will shun them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 07/03/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 136 fans permalink

I think the taliban do not have the support of the Afghan people. At least not as much support as they need to win the struggle.

It is one thing to plant bombs and launch rockets against static outposts.

It is another to gain enough political support to govern a country.

I suspect the what we call the Taliban have just enough support to disrupt. but not nearly enough to win.

A very, very bad scenario.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/03/2009

Duh, of course the wave of troops will meet little resistance. We are not fighting a fielded army we can outflank and destroy in place. We are dealing with classic insurgency and guerrilla fighters who at their leisure pick the time and place to harass and chip away at us. While I think it's a good move to finally establish a lasting presence on the ground in Helmand Province we have to remember and question how long can we keep 4,000 troops in place to cover a province of 23,000 square miles. The surge is great publicity but once the sugar high goes away then reality will set in. We saw this tactic used extensively in Vietnam, except there we had a much greater volume of troops, firepower, and smaller territories to manage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 07/03/2009
- dogman44 I'm a Fan of dogman44 47 fans permalink

Yep. Winning hearts and minds. I chased my tail around Vietnam for a year. Most of the time
in the same area. We move in, Charlie leaves. We move out, Charlie comes back. I've fought
on battlefields that still had the burned out hulks of choppers from the last time I was there.
This sounds like the "stratigic village program" we tried to institute there. The telltale is how
much food the vills produce and how much they actually have on hand. Also where are the
fighting aged males. Very suspicious if a vill only has old men and young boys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/03/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 69 fans permalink

Another AP Propaganda Story.

Propping up support for Obama's fateful surge into Afghanistan.

Stand strong, men! Let's all sing some patriotic Motherland songs together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 07/03/2009

The Surge Afgan style. Glad Obama has supported it, this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/03/2009
- fairdebate I'm a Fan of fairdebate 3 fans permalink

Is George Soros going to send Move on..and Code Pink to protest this ....I doubt it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 07/03/2009
- katooom I'm a Fan of katooom 18 fans permalink
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He should, I'll go. We should be protesting this crazy foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2009
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