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CATRINA STEWART | July 4, 2009 05:02 PM EST | AP

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FILE -- In this April 3, 2009, file photo, U.S. first lady Michelle Obama, during a visit to Baden-Baden, Germany. Michelle Obama brings her superstar glamor to Moscow this weekend as she accompanies her husband on his summit with the Russian president. But the American first lady, who has wowed publics in the U.S. and Europe with her easy elegance and charm, will perhaps face a bigger challenge in winning over a Russian public that has scant respect for women who grab the limelight from their powerful husbands. Russia still has trouble with the concept of an empowered woman behind the throne. (AP Photo/Michel Euler, file)

MOSCOW — Michelle Obama brings her superstar glamour to Moscow this weekend as she accompanies her husband on his summit with the Russian president.

But the American first lady, who has wowed publics in the U.S. and Europe with her easy elegance and charm, will perhaps face a bigger challenge in winning over a Russian public that has scant respect for women who grab the limelight from their powerful husbands.

In a country where a presidential candidate once quipped he'd sooner pack his wife off to a convent than allow her to dabble in politics, Russia still has trouble with the concept of an empowered woman behind the throne.

"The institution of first lady in Russia is still quite young," said Alyona Doletskaya, editor of Russian Vogue and doyenne of the Moscow fashion scene. "So there are no huge expectations on the part of Russian public."

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev's wife Svetlana is pious and discreet and met her husband while she was a schoolgirl. She supports charity and the arts, but has assumed no independent voice on issues facing the country. She dresses conservatively, lacking the edgy fashion sense that has attracted a nationwide following for Michelle Obama.

Russia has known one iconic first lady in modern times: Raisa Gorbachev, wife of the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, who was much loved around the world for breaking with tradition by appearing regularly in public with her husband, embracing high fashion and firing off wisecracks during official foreign trips.

But she earned little affection for her boldness in Russia, where she was seen as strong-willed and ambitious.

Far from shrugging off the old constraints when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Boris Yeltsin's wife Naina assumed a lower profile behind her husband, achieving popularity by declaring indifference to politics and saying she would sooner see Yeltsin retire.

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As for Vladimir Putin's wife, Lyudmilla, she only occasionally appeared in the company of her husband _ fueling widespread reports the two were estranged.

In the United States, first ladies are accustomed to coming under the media spotlight _ and Michelle Obama seems to revel in it.

On a recent trip to Paris, she impressed the fashion-conscious French with her chic designer outfits standing side-by-side with the country's former supermodel First Lady Carla Bruni. In Britain, she famously breached palace protocol by putting her arm around Queen Elizabeth II.

And she does not hesitate to speak her mind on a range of important social issues, such as health and education.

Many Russians, traditionally conservative, look askance at such assertiveness.

"A wife should be sitting at home, creating comfort and cooking food," said Zoya Getmanova, a female pensioner living in Moscow. "She could express her opinions over the dinner table, but she shouldn't meddle in politics."

Perhaps in deference to Russia's uneasiness about a political wife with popular support of her own, U.S. White House officials have suggested Michelle Obama will avoid the limelight during the visit.

Svetlana Medvedeva, meanwhile, has flitted between the shadows and the spotlight. She is liked by younger Russians, who follow her appearances at celebrity bashes and her frequent outings _ hand in hand _ with her husband.

She has acquired a reputation as a tenacious networker who helped restart her husband's career in the mid 1990s, and is said to play an influential role in his career behind the scenes. Trained as an economist, she gave up her own job to look after the couple's only child, born in 1996.

Despite all that, Svetlana barely breaks the mold crafted by so many first ladies in Russia before her.

She largely confines her public observations to carefully rehearsed speeches; she provides sympathetic interviewers with bland comments on womanhood. She dresses conservatively in tailored, pastel-colored outfits.

Michelle Obama's fashion sense attracts comparisons with Jacqueline Kennedy, and there is a Web site entirely dedicated to what she wears.

Vogue's Doletskaya is cagey about passing judgment on Svetlana's style, saying simply that she is "very representative of Russian femininity."

But when questioned about the U.S. first lady, Doletskaya becomes lively. She describes Michelle's style as "very fresh," as someone who mixes boldly "but in a very refined way."

There is a recognition that Svetlana has a difficult role to play _ managing the expectations of both a conservative older generation and ambitious, career-minded younger women who would like her to step up.

"It's not easy" to be a first lady, said Oksana Fyodorova, Miss Universe 2002. "But I think she (Svetlana) will succeed. And then we'll see who is better _ Michelle or our Svetlana."

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Associated Press Writer Natalya Vasilyeva contributed to this report.

MOSCOW — Michelle Obama brings her superstar glamour to Moscow this weekend as she accompanies her husband on his summit with the Russian president. But the American first lady, who has wowed p...
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OKSpamazon. I've done my job--discredited you as a L!ar, a poser and a r@ ci st, just like your other skankHofriends. Your act is old and busted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 07/05/2009
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Where are the pictures of that brave contemporary outfit that Michelle was photographed wearing in Cairo? Oh, my mistake, she instead went to Paris.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 07/05/2009
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I can't believe this piece with this lame title is still here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/05/2009
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ITA. "Glamour" and "MO" most of the time should not even be on the same page.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 07/05/2009

Then explain why you use them in the same sentence, Spamazon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 07/05/2009
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Michelle Obama is indeed an iconic American in her own right. The fact that she raises so many emotions in people whether they like her or not is a testimony to how influential she is. MO is being herself and enjoying the job of being our FLOTUS. A smart, ambitious and compassionate woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 07/05/2009
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Jeffrey Dahmer raised emotions in people, too. Bush Jr raised emotions in people. Raising emotions in people is not necessarily a good thing.

If she her fashion is iconic, the icon would be a clown. That's not glamour.

I 100% believe that she is smart, ambitious and compassionate. She is also articulate and appears to be genuinely warm to the people she meets in person.

But she's not a fashion icon--at least, not in a good way-- and about 90% of the time she has nothing to do with glamour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 07/05/2009

Spamazon DECREES it so therefore it MUST be so!

The very same Spamazon who has been caught in so many fabrications in an attempt to convince a bunch of strangers of her sophisitication and fashion sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 07/05/2009
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Mrs. Obama is an attractive woman, however, her fashion sense is much less so. Her clothing lacks sophisticaton and classic styling for a woman in her position. The belts give the impression that she is restraining herself. I wish the media attention would focus less on her wardrobe and more on her substance as First Lady. I want to hear more of what she is doing in her capacity as First Lady and less about her wardrobe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 07/05/2009

Please look at the pictures and tell me what constitutes appropriate "sophistication and classic styling" for a first lady. I think they all look fine. I'm not embarrassed by any of them but they're nothing special. Yet, people act like Michelle is falling short of the established standard.

This notion that her clothes impact US perception around the world is comical. The most admired First Lady ever was Eleanor Roosevelt and she dressed like a field hand!


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/05/2009
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What is comical is someone who denies the impact that the FLOTUS, one of the most powerful countries in the world, does not represent us to the world. It's her face (and outfits--argh!) that represent us. How she interacts with others and the appearance she makes is a reflection of us. When she touched the Queen, it was a reflection of us. Some Brits made comments in the line of "typical American" about that incident.

Things have changed incredibly since Eleanor Roosevelt was FLOTUS. The FLOTUS is far more visible because we have more means of communication. As she has become more visible, the role of FLOTUS has grown considerably, as well.

Why do you think that MO went to such efforts to put together (poorly, of course) a wardrobe to go to France and England?

Do you think Jackie BKO made such an incredible impression in France just because she spoke French? No, it's because she dressed impeccably, as "royalty" would...be­cause that's what our POTUS and FLOTUS are, in a way--they are our royalty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 07/05/2009
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Excellent comments. It is good to read some sober thoughts on this topic.

The fawning press does MO no favors by recklessly applauding her fashion taste. This is clearly an example of The Emperor has no Clothes. It is almost vicious to fawn over such a pitiful display of ineptitude in the most fundamental part of her role as First Lady, her appearance.

That her staff, her mother,and her closest friends can allow her to leave the WH dressed as, some describe, a clown, gives us a sense of how isolated she is, and perhapes gives us a sense of her personality.

The breech of protocol in London regarding the queen was significant because this Harvard educated lawyer could not remember, or maybe did not even bother to learn, this most fundamental point when meeting with the queen. Our press and her fan club applauded her her breech of protocol, and the queen handled it with her customary grace aware MO was out of her element, but behind closed doors in the palace there was no doubt, some snickering going on.

The snubbing of Sarkozy's dinner invitation by the president and his wife in lieu of "date night" in Paris is another example of lack of judgement and self indulgent behavior.

We can only hope that , as she goes abroad now, MO's inevitable fashion mistakes are minimal and that she is attentive to protocol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/05/2009
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Eleanor Roosevelt never dressed like a field hand! She was always appropriate because, among other reasons, she was well breed.

That folks have trouble seeing the lack of judgement and good taste in MO's clothing as First Lady is a sign of the times with our lack of standards. Anyone who ever sewed clothing knows clothes should fit. Perhapes that is why so many folks think those who are appalled by the poor fit on MO's clothing are smeared as rascist.

The First Lady does represent the US. Just as Carla Bruni had to change her style when she became France's first lady because she represented France not Carla Bruni, MO has to dress to represent the US which means Not Doing Her Own Thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 07/05/2009
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I am more concerned about Mrs. Obama being an example of progressive and forward thinking attitudes and practice as it relates to women in the United States and around the world. BUT since you asked, I looked at the pictures and I see three appropriately well-dressed women.

Again, it is only my opinion that Mrs. Obama's choice of clothing is too trendy for her position. She has a job and that job is that of First Lady of the United States of America. We all know what appropriate job attire is. That her choice of clothing causes such scrutiny is saying that her clothing requires scrutiny. She's yet to find that place, where everything she wears is becoming on her. She's not there, yet. One could speculate that she has issues with her upper body as evidenced by the blouses with large bows, belts, frills, some of her jewelery, and bare arms. She appears to me be conflicted in her roles of nurturer and power broker and hasn't reconciled herself to the sacrifices she has made for her husband and family. Clothing that's simple and classic in style would present a calmness and serenity to Mrs. Obama's appearance that would exude comfort and control. These things are hard to describe, but I see it in Carla Bruni Sarkozy best or formerly in Jackie Kennedy.

What is comical is that you think her clothes DO NOT impact US perception around the world. Have you ever lived abroad?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 07/06/2009
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wrong. i luv the First Lady's classy, smart sophisticated look. Her look is perfect gor her position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 07/05/2009
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Why are the only articles I've ever seen on HuffPo regarding the First Lady about her clothes??
No seriously, I want someone to explain this to me. I don't understand the obsession, I don't understand the -point-. I -want- to talk about Michelle Obama!
I want to talk about the things she DOES. The things she ADVOCATES.
Not whether she should wear sleeveless shirts or not!! I'm talking to you HuffPo, this isn't US or People. If I wanted to read those rags - after my lobotamy - I would. I'm here at a news site, I want to read news.

Unless I'm wrong and there are other articles about her, then I apologize. But they're not easy to find, if so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 07/05/2009
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You are right. They are not easy to find. However, they are some in the living section when she is introducing a program or visiting a school or health center. You will unfortunately find people there who virulently criticize her and BO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/05/2009
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Amen, and I'm sure she'd feel the same way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 07/05/2009
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She does not do much that would fit in other topic zones. The organic garden has been featured in the "Living" section.

I don't think this is some nefarious plot by HuffPost. I think it is more likely that the Obamas have decided that they didn't want MO to have to deal with what Hillary Clinton did when WJC became president, and Hillary acted like she was elected co-president. She handled the health-care reform terribly, allowing the insurance and pharmaceutical companies to write much of the policy to suit their corporate needes, and then she tried to ram it down Congress' throat.

I believe that the bad feelings from that is what stimulated the GOP to hound the Clintons with their investigations and lawsuits. I also believe it is why Hillary will never be POTUS.

MO has a lot going for her, and she has a future in politics, if she wants it. I think the Obamas are introducing her slowly, keeping her involved in mainly charity and social affairs in the beginning because these are the less threatening to the male GOP establishment in D.C.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 07/05/2009
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If Hillary Clinton allowed the insurance and pharmaceutical companies to write much of the proposed health care policy, then why did they spend millions in ad campaigns opposing it? In fact, it's the opposite of what you say. She didn't let the special interests in the insurance and pharmaceutical industries shape policy. And it is not true that she tried to ram it through Congress; she had no power to do that. What happened was that the Congress caved to special interests, Republicans were - as they are with Obama - in lock step opposition to all things Clinton, and the plan itself did turn out to be too complex and, separate from its complexity, ahead of its time.

Now, Michelle can play whatever role the President might ask her to play regarding policy. And it seems right now she is playing as a team member, pushing for the policies based on her knowledge of the issues (she does know something about health care, remember) and her belief in the integrity of her husband. None of this means she, or the President, are absolutely right about anythng, but it does give perspective as to how different administrations, and different first ladies, operate regarding public policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 07/05/2009
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I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 07/05/2009
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M. Obama represents what is the best of us in her intelligence, warmth and generosity and as such she is one of the best of the US. She is respected by other first ladies and by the Queen of England. They are not simply tolerating her as some have suggested. I am proud she is our FLOTUS. Is she perfect? Of course not but perfection is not required.

There are those who are clearly uncomfortable with her as our representative. Many of these folks seem desperate to convince others or maybe themselves to the point of insulting those who do not agree with them for the smallest comment in MO's favor. Some seem envious, others are simply fearful of what is new and different.

For the rest of us (and yes, I said "us" so no need about silly remarks about pregnancy etc), we do not have these fears nor are we brainwashed. Maybe if we do not engage these bitter people they will go away but probably not. They seem to have such empty lives.....­very sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 07/04/2009
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She is a great first lady, and embodies an unaffected hard work ethic that seemed like it was dying out with the "great generation­." I'm glad she's picking up where our grandparents and Elenor Roosevelt left off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 07/05/2009
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First rate, first lady. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 07/04/2009

Spamazon says the Queen, not the Prime Minister, is the UK equivalent to the President of the US. LOL.

And she's saying other people know nothing about other countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 07/04/2009
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Actually, the Queen IS the head of state, not the Prime Minister, so the POTUS would be the equivilent (he is also a head of state). LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 07/04/2009

Doingggg!!! Wrong!

Clue: Since the US isn't a monarchy, there is no US equivalent to the Queen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 07/04/2009

Spamazon's split personality. She says Michelle has no accomplishment, right after saying she admires Michelle's accomplishments.

+ PoliticalAmazon

This is the style section. When MO actually has accomplishments that HuffPost feels are worthy of being part of the more serious topic areas, then I'll post there.

Posted 10:36 PM on 07/04/2009

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"We"? Are you pregnant? Speak for yourself. I admire her for her accomplishments, but the way she dresses is really embarassing.

posted Jul 04, 2009 at 22:06:53

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 07/04/2009
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You l i e, as usual. If you cannot even be honest about your screen name, really, no one can expect honesty from you in any other matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 07/05/2009

I posted your words verbatim. So if there's a L!e, you told it!!

Explain how you admire her for those accomplishments you say she doesn't have? LOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 07/05/2009

For the LAST time, she did NOT breach protocol by touching the queen.

And she's not the woman behind the president, she's the woman beside the president. We don't do that 10-paces-behind thing here in the 21st century US of A, and she's not some nefarious string-pulling puppeteer "power behind the throne" - it's not 19th century Russia, either.

And our FL doesn't have to "prove" she's "better" than anybody, she is who she is and we're proud of her and her ability to make people feel welcomed, valued, and included. I have no doubt the people of Russia will pick up on that if they are given a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/04/2009
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1) Do you believe she breached protocol? I don't, and I didn't post that, either. If you are going to sink to the unethical tactic of a strawman argument, do try to be more clever about it.

2) Do you believe she is the woman behind the president? I don't, and I didn't ost that either. Again, if you are going to be unethical and attempt to score points by strawman arguments, be more clever about it.

3) Do you think MO has to prove she is better than anyone else? I don't, and didn't say she had to.

You are attempting to use the unethical strawman argument because you cannot refute the simple fact that MO does not dress appropriately for her role as FLOTUS.

There has never been this type and amount of dissent about what a FLOTUS wore, not in my lifetime. Other FLOTUS were honored and proud to be FLOTUS, and took their duties and responsbilities seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 07/05/2009

You are completely divorced from reality. READ THE ARTICLE. I was responding to points in the ARTICLE. Talk about a straw man. Take your drivel somewhere else, you are wasting bytes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 07/05/2009

>>There has never been this type and amount of dissent about what a FLOTUS wore, not in my lifetime. Other FLOTUS were honored and proud to be FLOTUS, and took their duties and responsbilities seriously.­>>

1. According to you, Laura Bush was so honored and proud to be FL that she wouldn't even stay in DC!!!

2. Have you forgotten the constant harping about Hillary's appearance??? Headbands. Pantsuits. Wrong colors. Skirts too short. She wore a hat. Please. She was raked over the coals.

3. Don't confuse hyperventilating by a few people on a blog with massive dissent. The vast majority of Americans don't give a hoot about what the FL wears. That's why her approval rating is 75%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 07/05/2009
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The most important thing Michelle Obama brings is the presentation of a highly intelligent, well-educated, politically savvy, compassionate and creative modern woman who is every bit the equal of the President of the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 07/04/2009
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1) Now you are getting way out there. MO is a woman of accomplishments, but she is not the equal of the POTUS. She was not elected. She is not the one who sets policies and runs the country.

2) MO is NOT politically savvy. If she was, she would use every tool she has to make a good impression, if not for our country or for her husband and children's sake, at least for her own personal chances to advance in her career, or perhaps enter a political career.

She is creating her own legacy, and it will be a shame if she is remembered for her inability to dress suitably for a FLOTUS.

3) For the vast majority of the world, her accomplishments, even who she is as a person, is completely unimportant because they do not have access to that information. What they do have access to are the images of her, which can be seen even by the poorest person as they walk by a news-stand.

What they are seeing in those images is not representative of a FLOTUS. Indeed, I don't think they are representative of what we think we know about MO. Perhaps what we think we know about MO is just a carefully constructed image, and she really is, in the rest of her life, as little accomplished as she is in her ability to dress herself for the role of FLOTUS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 07/05/2009

>>What they are seeing in those images is not representative of a FLOTUS.>>

And you know this HOW? Spamazon, do you ever get tired of telling the rest of the world what we think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 07/05/2009

You have seriously got to get a life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 07/05/2009

I am very proud of our FLOTUS, she is an accomplished, beautiful woman. I see from your post that your intense criticism of her fashion sense is based on your intense dislike of her, so you minimize everything positive about her. She is our FLOTUS and we love her. Accept it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/05/2009
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Please, I am beginning to think that those stupid medias are very stupid. For once, and many more times, they tried to say that MO is a fashion icon. Second, Moscow first lady is doing just fine, and doesn't need help at all.

Let's worry about how our first lady doing for our country, not how she dresses. You should be thinking about how we can create jobs for this poor country. I mean, USA, this country is very much in trouble. People are loosing their jobs and homes. Media"ass" should focus on writing some good articles, or go back to school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/04/2009
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The FLOTUS does not have the power, or the right, to set public policy. That is the job of the POTUS.

The FLOTUS is an important role, nonetheless, because she is also a reflection of our country. In the past, the FLOTUS have been incredibly good at fulfilling that role.

For all of her apparent charm, and charisma, what the vast majority of the world will know and remember about her will be the pictures they see of her. Indeed, humans are largely visual creatures, and what we tend to remember about events or people are the pictuers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 07/05/2009
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the rest of the world will remember her warmth, intelligence, generosity, and beautynot only as FLOTUS but as a good American citizen. I doubt the rest of the world will ever know you except for your bitterness, pettiness, and envy of MO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 07/05/2009
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Silliness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/04/2009
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i like Michelle Obama, but i could care less about her wardrobe. I'm more concerned about her commitment for real change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 07/04/2009
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She's not POTUS. It's President Obama who had the "Change" mantra during the campaign.

If you dont' care to speak about her wardrobe, then perhaps articles about her in other sections might be more suited to you?

Oh, that's right. There are no articles about her in the other sections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 PM on 07/04/2009

Spamazon, have you learned the difference between Providence and Provincetown yet?

Since you're so sophisticated and well-educated and all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 07/04/2009
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And that's a goddamn tragedy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/05/2009
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Actually there are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 07/05/2009
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