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Biden Ignores Warnings Of Krugman, Stiglitz, Roubini And Others

First Posted: 08/05/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:35 PM ET

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During his interview with ABC's This Week on Sunday, Vice President Joe Biden made what will be a much-discussed admission in the week ahead. The Obama administration, he said, had "misread" the extent of the economic catastrophe it inherited.

"The truth is, we and everyone else misread the economy," declared Biden. "The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there."

"We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package," the vice president said later in the interview. "The truth of the matter was, no one anticipated, no one expected that that recovery package would in fact be in a position at this point of having to distribute the bulk of money."


Certainly, the Obama administration's acknowledgment that it misjudged the crisis it inherited is rife with possibilities for its political opponents. House Minority Leader John Boehner rapped the White House repeatedly on Sunday for presiding over the loss of more than two million jobs since January. Former Bush strategist Matt Dowd, appearing on the ABC panel after Biden, did much the same. For an Obama White House that, two weeks ago, told the public to measure the success of its policies based on jobs they created, it is difficult to decry these critiques as inherently unfair, regardless of what troubles were passed on from the Bush administration.

But equally problematic is Biden's assertion that "everyone" - not just the White House - was off in their prognostications. This is simply untrue.

Host George Stephanopoulos pointed out that "a lot of people were saying that you needed to do something bigger and bolder" when it came to the stimulus package. He named New York Times columnist Paul Krugman as one example. There are many others.

The prize-winning Columbia University economist Joseph Stiglitz not only warned that the stimulus was too small during its construction, the day after Obama signed it into law he predicted how its shortcomings would make themselves apparent.

"I think there is a broad consensus but not universal among economist that the stimulus package that was passed was badly designed and not enough. I know it is not universal but let me try to explain. First of all that it was not enough should be pretty apparent from what I just said: It is trying to offset the deficiency in aggregate demand and it is just too small," Stiglitz said. "The shortfall in state revenue [is] probably in the order of 150 to 200 billion dollars a year. And the states have balanced budget frameworks so if you follow the newspaper you know the drastic problems that California and New York are in, these are really serious problems and because of their balanced budget frameworks they have to reduce their spending... if their income comes down. So that would be a negative stimulus of 150 to 200 billion unless there is federal aid. And the stimulus package there was a little of federal aid but just not enough. So what we will be doing is we will be laying off teachers and laying off people in the health care sector while we are hiring construction workers. It is a little strange for a design of a stimulus package. You ask, why do you want to hire construction workers and fire teachers. I don't know what is the rationale behind that."

Stiglitz was joined by a whole host of liberal economists -- from the University of Texas' James Galbraith to Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research -- who warned that the stimulus package inexplicably underestimated the size of the crisis.

Several weeks after the stimulus passed, economist Nouriel Roubini, known affectionately as Dr. Doom, made the case that the administration's approach to stabilizing the economy lacked an effective international component.

"You have to have a set of concerted, coherent policies done not just by the U.S. but by Europe, Japan, China and everyone else," he said. "The credit crunch is just massive. One thing that's needed is much more aggressive monetary easing. The second dimension is that you need much more fiscal stimulus -- in the countries that can afford it -- that is front-loaded. The U.S. [stimulus package] is $800 billion, but only $200 billion is front-loaded. Of that $200 billion [in stimulus] this year, half of it is tax cuts. That's going to be a waste of money, because people are not going to spend it."

In mid-June, weeks before the latest round of poor job numbers came out, U.C. Berkeley professor and former Clinton administration official Brad DeLong was arguing that "the Obama administration's federal fiscal stimulus programs are on the low side of what is appropriate by a substantial margin."

"This is the largest economic downturn since the Great Depression and the standard tools of expansionary monetary policy are tapped out and broken right now," he wrote.

The day that June's job numbers came out, meanwhile, Nassim Taleb, principal of Universa Investments and author of 'The Black Swan,' offered a far more grim interpretation of what was transpiring, though one relatively consistent with what he had said in the past.

"We're in the middle of a crash," said Taleb during an appearance on CNBC. "So if I'm going to forecast something, it is that it's going to get worse, not better."

Certainly Krugman himself has aired his share of skepticism. In late June, he reminded his readers that his early concerns had not been misplaced.

"[S]ome of us warned about what might happen: if unemployment surpassed the administration's optimistic projections, Republicans wouldn't accept the need for more stimulus," he wrote in the Times. "Instead, they'd declare the whole economic policy a failure. And that's exactly how it's playing out. With the unemployment rate now almost certain to pass 10 percent, there's an overwhelming economic case for more stimulus. But as a political matter it's going to be harder, not easier, to get that extra stimulus now than it would have been to get the plan right in the first place.

This past week, meanwhile, he declared once more that the Obama stimulus plan, while "better than nothing" needs to be supplemented with something more.

To be fair, the process of economic forecasting is, as Taleb noted in his CNBC segment, an inherently tricky proposition. In October 2008, for instance, Roubini was arguing that the government needed a $400 billion stimulus package, which ended up being just more than half of what the Obama White House settled on.

But among those who were sounding the loudest alarms about the potential inadequacies of the economic recovery plan, the consensus seems to be emerging that more now needs to be done. Later in his ABC segment, Biden - who is responsible for overseeing the stimulus - was asked if a second package was in the offing. No, he replied, without dismissing the possibility outright. "I think it's premature to make that judgment. This was set up to spend out over 18 months. There are going to be major programs that are going to take effect in September, $7.5 billion for broadband, new money for high-speed rail, the implementation of the grid -- the new electric grid. And so this is just starting, the pace of the ball is now going to increase."

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During his interview with ABC's This Week on Sunday, Vice President Joe Biden made what will be a much-discussed admission in the week ahead. The Obama administration, he said, had "misread" the exten...
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calhar
05:12 PM on 07/19/2009
Thi clown doesn't know if s**t rolls down hill.
08:53 AM on 07/09/2009
Obama/Biden misread the economy and didn't make the stimulus big enough.

Republicans who got us into this mess with deregulation, a costly war, and lower taxes on the rich, want to shout from the rooftops that Obama was wrong to not spend even more money when they wanted to fix the problem with further tax cuts for the rich instead of spending money for jobs that go to the common man.

GOP just shut up. If he fails everyone will know he failed. If he succeeds and we keep talking we look dumb and won't ever get any seats back. Sometimes its better to just be quiet.

Come on Michael Steele be a leader and shut your folks up.
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FHTB
02:45 AM on 07/08/2009
Econmists like Stiglitz assume that throwing more money at the economy would be somehow beneficial...I don't care how scholarly these economists are, they obviously miss the boat here...by miles...

It isn't the AMOUNT of funds used to create a stimulus of the economy, but HOW that money is utilized and spread through the economy...clearly, the Obama Admin. misjudged that badly...
10:06 AM on 07/08/2009
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here and ask what merits do you have in the field of economics? How would YOU spend all the money (I saw you want to stop ALL forclosures...)

And, yes it is the amount of funds that matter, please look into the "lost decade" of japan (to small stimulus) the "Hoover Bailout", and the "Bush TARP bailout." While you are correct that where you spend the money is of the utmost importance, disregarding the amount is not an option. Is there any disagreement that WWII got us out of the great depression? Guess what that was, MASSIVE government spending to the amount of 25% of GDP. And guess where that money went? Into the toilet, most things we produced (bullets, tanks, aircraft) were destroyed withen months of being produced. We could achieve the same stimulus today by declaring war on the atlantic ocean, building thousands of tanks/cars/airplanes and throwing them in said ocean.
02:51 PM on 07/09/2009
I can't agree more; however, the original stimulus money just hasn't been spent and is nothing more than PORK for democrat suppoters. Homeowner rescue plan in a failure. No jobs and won't be any until home prices stabilize.

On another note, building those tanks, bullets, and aircraft was totally for the benefit of Europe who let the USA keep them safe for 60 years..............
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
12:17 AM on 07/08/2009
Jeez Joe, stop being a MAVERICK and get with the game.
08:10 PM on 07/07/2009
Show us how the economy returns to anywhere near normal without the foreclosure meltdown ceasing. While foreclosures continue to occur across the nation, in some areas, like southeastern Florida and Las Vegas, foreclosures have blighted the greater real estate market, and put steady downward pressure on real estate prices, causing far too many undeserving people to feel (and actually become) much poorer. No one is going to start spending again like it's 2005 when all the equity he's built up paying his mortgage has been eroded away by foreclosures.

The banks have shown that they are are inept at best and unwilling at worst to help struggling borrowers out. So far, state and local government has shined us on. The federal government did offer help--$600 for a married couple that was supposed to stimulate the economy.

This hasn't worked, and more of it won't work much better. Foreclosures need to stop immediately, which means that government has to put the kibosh on such activity by banks and mortgage lenders. There's no one else stepping up to help here, so it's got to be the government. Everyone else has already been rescued--the banks, the car companies--but there is currently no hope and no help for people about to lose their homes to foreclosure.
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FHTB
02:49 AM on 07/08/2009
This hasn't worked, and more of it won't work much better. Foreclosures need to stop immediately, which means that government has to put the kibosh on such activity by banks and mortgage lenders.

Yes, this is where Nobel Prizes don't mean s--t...supposedly brilliant economists who haven't got a clue. The Obama Admin. has coddled and enabled the banks, and as a result, there is little progress in gettong the economy moving...the banks are only interested in their bottom line, not in seeing to it that average Americans are not allowed to lose their homes because of horrible lending practices and usurious terms...
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01:08 PM on 07/08/2009
certainly true on the Nobels-------while we may respect them, and they should be consulted, (and, yes, I think they have as good a clue as Summers/Geithner)------reality, to the best of my know. Stiglitz and Krugman have spent aeons in the halls of the academic ivory tower, and, I don't think they are that sure-footed on this sh.... Likewise, Bernanke, and now we don't know where he is taking us-----(NOTE: BB was a BUSH appointee-----)
07:53 PM on 07/07/2009
Bill Clinton wanted to be bipartisan and he led the way on NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Stegall. Now that the banks took the money and ran..taxpayers are asked to bail them out. Talk about your welfare queens. Billions are ok for republicans but 200.00 a month for an unemployed mother is shocking. It just boils down to greed. The cause of many a revolution.

The safety nets were taken away under Bill Clinton. The jobs were given away under Bill Clinton. Deregulation is a euphemism for no laws for us we are just too rich to be bothered. Look at the bushes.The repeal of Glass-Stegall was the safety net FDR put into place so we would never have another depression. It kept the banks from investing in real estate . ..wall street etc. Larry Summers worked really hard for that. I am sure all the insiders think it is hilarious that he gets paid to fix the mess he helped to make.
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FHTB
02:50 AM on 07/08/2009
Bill Clinton wanted to be bipartisan and he led the way on NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Stegall.

This isn't about Bill, nor Bush, but about what Obama is doing NOW.
06:11 PM on 07/07/2009
Biden is rigth!

A situation similar to the one depicted in the Peter Bruegel famous picture of a blind leadings a bunch of others blinds.

The truth is that nobody has a clear view of what is going on: economy is on auto-pilot.

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05:43 PM on 07/07/2009
I believe the real issue here is, was the president played for a fool? Did the long slick tentacles of the finance industry end up playing President Obama for a fool? Mr. Biden's comment feeds into this question and the doubt surrounding it. It was impolitic of Biden--and the kind of comment the opposition was hoping for much earlier once he was named Obama's running mate. I think, however, that Biden was candid. That's refreshing, if a bit disconcerting at times.

It's not really a devastating comment, though, because I think most people believe that very few know what the true general corrective is--whether or not this is true that very few know. There's debate on that, despite what learned minds profess (the "we told you so" crowd). President Obama picked a course of action and we're dealing with it, probably from a better position than we would be had he not picked this course. Would we have been much better off if we had done this or that? Monday morning quarterbacking.

I think the president is doing his best, and I think he's circumspect enough to not have been played for a fool (though I thought that of Bill Clinton and was sorely mistaken in his case). My best guess is that he's aware of what's what, based on his own broad intelligence and the best advice of his advisors. Obama’s nobody’s fool (I hope!).

Great article, by the by.
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FHTB
02:51 AM on 07/08/2009
I believe the real issue here is, was the president played for a fool? Did the long slick tentacles of the finance industry end up playing President Obama for a fool?

Would that this was true...but Obama seems to have been a willing participant in this disastrous charade.
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MAH1952
04:55 PM on 07/07/2009
There are several problems with President Obama. First of all he misses the whole point of being President. The NeoCons and their ilk will never like him and will do anything to destroy this country to prove their right. So he needs to stop kissing their feet to try to get them to "work with him". Next he needs to be honest with the American people. He tries to be nice but it is just blowing up in his face. He also needs to lead. I have said it before, right now he is just a darker version of George W.
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gevan
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04:36 PM on 07/07/2009
Those like Krugman who were calling for a bigger response were not going to get a trillion dollar package out of Congress. The votes just were not there at the time. As for the GOP; they would criticise Noah for building an ark by saying it is still raining.
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08:41 PM on 07/07/2009
Exactly. I notice that at least as cited in this article not one of them seems to remember how difficult it was to get the stimulus as it was past the Party of No, never mind anything larger.
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01:18 PM on 07/08/2009
I already sent a post on this, disagreeing w/ Stein (for a change)-----I see they are not posting it------don't know why----it was not incendiary, just said they couldn't have gotten more thru Congress----guess Stein is being "defended"------we will see if this gets posted-----
03:45 PM on 07/07/2009
We love you Joe, sorry the Demlosers use you as lightning rod, but you're the gift that keeps giving .

God Bless !
02:49 PM on 07/07/2009
Keep talking Joe. You're doing a great job for us and it's free.
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05:37 PM on 07/07/2009
Someone has to.
02:40 PM on 07/07/2009
Mr. President, may I suggest another great use for duct tape?
02:05 PM on 07/07/2009
How easy we forget in this country. First of all, this colossal mess was inherited. Secondly, when the Obama administration proposed trillions to fix this mess, the far right nut bags were trembling because their great grand children would have to pay higher taxes. I got news for you idiots, we will always pay taxes. How else are we going to get out of our 17 trillion dollar debt that Obama inherited. %$##ing idiots the lot of you.
04:50 PM on 07/07/2009
A true idiot would be a person who wants to help those who won't help themselves. The welfare queens of our society will produce no jobs. I am truly ashamed of a society that would think that 60 million citizens of this great nation should pay $0 taxes while demonizing those citizens who shoulder 90% of the tax burden of this country. Everyone should pay, especially those who leach on our society while truly being the idiot in the 'lot.'
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littleblackcat
05:56 PM on 07/07/2009
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious, but those who really need to pay taxes are those who make so much money they cannot spend it all without being stupid. Gold toilet seats are stupid, $1,200 wastebaskets are stupid, $6,000 shower curtains are stupid. Take that money and pay for the educations of people with truly excellent brains who cannot afford the cost of higher education. Don't bother with the crap about "student loans" either. They leave people with life-crushing debt that deprives them of being able to better themselves and their kids. Those on welfare are going to be many, many, more if no one can afford the basics in this country. Crime will go up as well. If things cannot be gained by fair means, they will be gotten by foul. Just ask the Romans.
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SteveDenver
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12:21 AM on 07/08/2009
The "welfare queens" it turns out are banking high rollers and their families. Let's throw in huge corporations and oil companies that pay no taxes.