Biden: "We Misread How Bad The Economy Was"

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U.S. Vice President Joe Biden speaks to troops at a naturalization ceremony at al-Faw Palace on the western outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, July 4, 2009. Biden was in attendance as some 237 soldiers from 59 countries tool the oath during his visit to Iraq. (AP Photo/ Khalid Mohammed)

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration "misread" the depth of the economic troubles it inherited and still expects more new jobs in the long term as the spending pace from the $787 billion stimulus plan quickens, Vice President Joe Biden said.

Republican congressional leaders expressed disappointment about the impact of stimulus spending. "I'm very skeptical that the spending binge that we're on is going to produce much good and, even if it does, anytime soon," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said in a statement Sunday.

"I think the economy is just as likely to begin to recover on its own, wholly aside from this, before much of this has an impact."

Biden, in an interview that aired on ABC's "This Week," said the 9.5 percent unemployment rate is "much too high." The administration had predicted unemployment would stay below 8 percent with its stimulus plan.

"The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there," Biden said. "We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package."

He cited the economic conditions inherited from the Bush administration. "It's now our responsibility. So the second question becomes ... is it the right package given the circumstances we're in? And we believe it is the right package given the circumstances we're in."

While Biden argued that more jobs will be created in the coming months, House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said the GOP had wanted the bill to focus on small businesses and helping people keep more of what they earned.

"This was supposed to be about jobs, jobs and jobs. And the fact is it turned into nothing more than spending, spending and more spending on a lot of big government bureaucracy," Boehner said.

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Even House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said no one is satisfied with the results of the stimulus so far. "But we believe the stimulus was absolutely essential," he said.

Biden noted that the plan was set up to spend the money over 18 months. Major programs will take effect in September, including $7.5 billion for broadband Internet service, plus new money for high-speed rail and the nation's electrical grid, he said.

Biden said it's premature to say whether the country will need a second stimulus package.

Other issues Biden discussed during his ABC interview:

_Asked whether the United States would put the lives of U.S. troops on the line should violence flare up again in Iraq, he said "no." The U.S. still plans to withdraw all troops by 2011, Biden said. "We believe the Iraqis will be fully capable of maintaining their own security."

_Biden said if the Iranian government seeks to engage in a dialogue with the United States, the U.S. will engage. "The offer's on the table."

_Biden said Israel has the right to pursue a different course of action on Iran than the U.S. does. "Look, Israel can determine for itself _ it's a sovereign nation _ what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else."

_On North Korea's Saturday launch of missiles, he said such actions appear to be efforts to seek attention. "The question is, is there anything that we should do about it?" Arguing that the U.S. policy has been correct so far, he said, "We have succeeded in uniting the most important and critical countries to North Korea on a common path of further isolating North Korea."

_The Obama administration is "well on the way" to resolving a dispute between CIA Director Leon Panetta and National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair, Biden said. The conflict centers on Blair's effort to choose his own representatives at U.S. embassies instead of relying only on CIA station chiefs. "He declined to give details.

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- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 61 fans permalink
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So why didn't the Bush/Cheney spending binge not keep the economy from tanking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 07/06/2009
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they lowered taxes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

We kept borrowing from china....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 97 fans permalink
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It was just a matter of time...

And it didn't take much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 07/06/2009

Joe : They'll have that falsehood for you as soon as Flush fabricates it for them.

He's been outta town for the last three days.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 07/06/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 372 fans permalink
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It was defense spending, all of it outsourced in no bid contracts to profit driven corporations like Lockheed Martin, Halibuton, and Boing as well as private companies like Blackwater that paid mercenaries a thousand dollars a day to do a job the Military can do better and cheaper. The war spending coupled with trillion dollar tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and a trillion dollar give away to the pharmaceutical companies piled on the debt. Homeland Security was a shell for venture capitalists.

It's called crony capitalism because Bush outsourced the government to his friends. Cheney owned substantial stock in Haliburton and profited from the war.

Then there is the entire Enron debacle but that is for another thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 07/06/2009
- chedet I'm a Fan of chedet 31 fans permalink
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I knew it that americans are only good at talking and aren't that smart... this just proves it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 07/06/2009
- Aslanspal I'm a Fan of Aslanspal 4 fans permalink
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The reality is we need a jobs program and light a fire under corporations who are doing more with less and stressing working middle class people out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 07/06/2009
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The FIST fire should be a DRACONIAN tax on all American Corporations that send OUR JOBS to overseas nations that CONDONE SLAVERY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 07/06/2009

Mensch : That is a good suggestion.

... Followed by relieving the insurance industry of their strangle hold on medical care !


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 07/06/2009
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How will they compete with other countries that dont have them then? Might as well put em out of business.

More lost jobs, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 07/06/2009
- ccpostman I'm a Fan of ccpostman 22 fans permalink
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light a fire under corporations that are outsourcing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 07/06/2009
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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"F.D.R.'s Disputed Legacy" - Monday, Feb. 01, 1982 TIME

excerpt: Pg 4

"Economists debate to this day about what caused the Great Depression. A prevailing view, persuasively argued by John Kenneth Galbraith, is that the technological increases in productivity throughout the 1920s (up 43% per factory man-hour) were not matched by increases in wages and thus in the public's capacity to consume (factory pay rose less than 20%). The collapse of the overinflated stock market therefore started a downward spiral in both demand and the ability to pay. Conservative economists like Milton Friedman, on the other hand, blame the Federal Reserve System for failing to expand the money supply sufficiently in the wake of the stock market crash. "

^ I'm with Galbraith.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 07/06/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 372 fans permalink
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The right wing revision of FDR's legacy bothers be to my core.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 07/06/2009
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 07/06/2009
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Again....

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This is a GLOBAL PROBLEM.... & that is the way it needs to be approached.

This is NOT "New World Order" stuff... as those LESS informed amongst us might opine.

"One of the alleged reasons for not "playing by the rules" and forcing troubled international banks to go through financial restructuring (instead, bailing them out) was that it would give rise to huge cross-border complications. Citibank, for example, operates worldwide, and depositors in many countries are not insured. What responsibility do US taxpayers have to depositors abroad if Citibank fails? They didn't pay deposit insurance; there is no contract committing us to pick up the pieces. Yet some claim it would do irreparable harm to America's image if we took no responsibility."

--- Joseph E. Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate, Economics.

This is a MUST READ for anyone who TRULY wants to understand this crisis.

I agree with most.. take issue with some of the "protectionist" stuff.. but it is ESSENTIAL.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090713/stiglitz .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 07/06/2009
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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When the world largest economy , largest importer, contracts of course it's global problem. But the house of cards began here, the collapse began here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 07/06/2009
- jlnum03 I'm a Fan of jlnum03 2 fans permalink

Joe Biden, a Senator for over 30 years, had no idea of the health of the economy? BH Obama, a Senator for over 13 months, had no idea of the health of the economy? But they both, for over a year, have been saying the economy was a disaster! They swore they knew what was happening. Were they lying then, or are they lying now? (BTW: the Democrats have controlled both houses of Congress for 30 months. Since Jan 2007.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 07/06/2009
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That's disingenuous....

The only error was in the MAGNITUDE of the MALFEASANCE committed by the BUSH Administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 07/06/2009
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And yet Your Man Obama Hired Bush's accountant Timmy to run the FED great choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 07/06/2009

Mensch : The denial and spin from the Right Wing Revisionists continues...


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

Good for him!!Thanks..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 07/06/2009
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Lilith, from 1999, when Clinton was still running the show with the Repubs in the saddle too.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 07/06/2009
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That was a pilot program

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 07/06/2009
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So was "Sky King".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 97 fans permalink
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Obama: a MUCH better front person than Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 07/06/2009

http://archive.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=7369

Ravi Batra the veteran Southern Methodist University economics professor saw this storm approaching years ago and has written several books, including a couple of best-sellers, about what the country should have been doing to handle it. He wrote Greenspan�s Fraud in 2005. And in his 2006 book, The New Golden Age � The Coming Revolution Against Political Corruption and Economic Chaos, he predicted an economic depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

so did Roubini ,Stiglitz and Krugman....All saw something coming...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 07/06/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 372 fans permalink
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James Galbraith is my favorite. The Predator State is a must read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 97 fans permalink
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Remember when we thought that freeing women to go into the workplace would mean more wealth?

Well, what happened there? It took two breadwinners to make not even what one bread winner used to make.

So now they're going to make it so no one can retire. And what will that do? Make people more wealthy?

What do you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/06/2009
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My last post was scrubbed, but anyone here against amnesty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 07/06/2009
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What type?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/06/2009
- rubberneck I'm a Fan of rubberneck 3 fans permalink

Excuse me, but the economy is getting worse. That excuse of inheriting is meaningless. I never saw any of these jokers complaining about the house bubble prior to it's burst.

If these guys don't think they can fix it, perhaps they should give up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

Where were you when we shipped our industial base and technology over to a totalitarian communist slave wage forced abortion state?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 07/06/2009
- DaveyDavey I'm a Fan of DaveyDavey 107 fans permalink
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It's not meaningless. Here's the meaning: the problem existed and was projected to get worse before Obama was president. Do you understand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/06/2009
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A runaway train has to SLOW before it can stop.

OTHERWISE, you have a CRASH.

Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/06/2009
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A runaway train has to SLOW before it can stop.

OTHERWISE, you have a C.R.A.S.H.

Grow up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 07/06/2009
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Their blaming Bush and yet the good old boys Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were in charge of the commitees that controlled housing and banking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 07/06/2009
- DaveyDavey I'm a Fan of DaveyDavey 107 fans permalink
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You mean they controlled it from 2006 on? After all the Republıcan deregulatıon was in place?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 07/06/2009
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right, old Barney Frank could get anything done when the republican had the house LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 97 fans permalink
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Health care would be so easy to fix if our public servants had the people's best interest in mind. But they don't.

And that's the very sad fact.

If this is true about health, what do you think they think about jobs and education and information?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/06/2009
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Keep us as dumb as possible and voting. Or lets just get amnesty to all the illegals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 07/06/2009
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there ARE those who DO, jo....

Even I am not THAT cynical (although it depends on the time of day..)

Single Payer is about "we the people" insuring OURSELVES.. that's all...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 97 fans permalink
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Yes, of course there are some. They are my clients. But they are a small minority.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 07/06/2009
- dobberdoss I'm a Fan of dobberdoss 29 fans permalink
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I'm starting to think HP moderators are actually "thought police" from 1984

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 97 fans permalink
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Yes. I'm with you on that. They will get dumped the minute someone else creates a good s ite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 07/06/2009
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No "thought" involved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/06/2009
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