Biden: "We Misread How Bad The Economy Was"

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U.S. Vice President Joe Biden speaks to troops at a naturalization ceremony at al-Faw Palace on the western outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq, Saturday, July 4, 2009. Biden was in attendance as some 237 soldiers from 59 countries tool the oath during his visit to Iraq. (AP Photo/ Khalid Mohammed)

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration "misread" the depth of the economic troubles it inherited and still expects more new jobs in the long term as the spending pace from the $787 billion stimulus plan quickens, Vice President Joe Biden said.

Republican congressional leaders expressed disappointment about the impact of stimulus spending. "I'm very skeptical that the spending binge that we're on is going to produce much good and, even if it does, anytime soon," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said in a statement Sunday.

"I think the economy is just as likely to begin to recover on its own, wholly aside from this, before much of this has an impact."

Biden, in an interview that aired on ABC's "This Week," said the 9.5 percent unemployment rate is "much too high." The administration had predicted unemployment would stay below 8 percent with its stimulus plan.

"The figures we worked off of in January were the consensus figures and most of the blue chip indexes out there," Biden said. "We misread how bad the economy was, but we are now only about 120 days into the recovery package."

He cited the economic conditions inherited from the Bush administration. "It's now our responsibility. So the second question becomes ... is it the right package given the circumstances we're in? And we believe it is the right package given the circumstances we're in."

While Biden argued that more jobs will be created in the coming months, House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said the GOP had wanted the bill to focus on small businesses and helping people keep more of what they earned.

"This was supposed to be about jobs, jobs and jobs. And the fact is it turned into nothing more than spending, spending and more spending on a lot of big government bureaucracy," Boehner said.

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Even House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said no one is satisfied with the results of the stimulus so far. "But we believe the stimulus was absolutely essential," he said.

Biden noted that the plan was set up to spend the money over 18 months. Major programs will take effect in September, including $7.5 billion for broadband Internet service, plus new money for high-speed rail and the nation's electrical grid, he said.

Biden said it's premature to say whether the country will need a second stimulus package.

Other issues Biden discussed during his ABC interview:

_Asked whether the United States would put the lives of U.S. troops on the line should violence flare up again in Iraq, he said "no." The U.S. still plans to withdraw all troops by 2011, Biden said. "We believe the Iraqis will be fully capable of maintaining their own security."

_Biden said if the Iranian government seeks to engage in a dialogue with the United States, the U.S. will engage. "The offer's on the table."

_Biden said Israel has the right to pursue a different course of action on Iran than the U.S. does. "Look, Israel can determine for itself _ it's a sovereign nation _ what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else."

_On North Korea's Saturday launch of missiles, he said such actions appear to be efforts to seek attention. "The question is, is there anything that we should do about it?" Arguing that the U.S. policy has been correct so far, he said, "We have succeeded in uniting the most important and critical countries to North Korea on a common path of further isolating North Korea."

_The Obama administration is "well on the way" to resolving a dispute between CIA Director Leon Panetta and National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair, Biden said. The conflict centers on Blair's effort to choose his own representatives at U.S. embassies instead of relying only on CIA station chiefs. "He declined to give details.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration "misread" the depth of the economic troubles it inherited and still expects more new jobs in the long term as the spending pace from the $787 billion stimul...
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- dobberdoss I'm a Fan of dobberdoss 29 fans permalink
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"mis-read"! what an understatement. Try, just for once you Politicians to "listen" to the people at ground level!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 07/06/2009
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The problem is, *every* time economic analysts think things are starting to look up in some way, a new set of statistics comes out that completely throws the picture back out of focus. Just look at how blindsided people seemed to be by the new unemployment statistics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 07/06/2009
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The court economists from Washington to Wall Street have been in constant denial of the economic catastrophe that they caused since it began in 2007. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they are still wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 07/06/2009
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The thing is, I'm not so convinced that it's denial as much as it is about them just plain not knowing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/06/2009
- chargerman I'm a Fan of chargerman 40 fans permalink

Anyone wish to trust Obama's health plan budget? First order of business would be to have Obama and his brain trust practice running the Post Office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 07/06/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 376 fans permalink
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What is wrong with the post office?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 07/06/2009
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Possibly stop sat delivery, and stamps goin up every other year. I can live with that, but those with a lot of pen pals may not be able to afford it.

I know I hardly send letters, maybe thats what it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/06/2009

Beachchick : Nothing.

Flush has been off all weekend.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 07/06/2009
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Even with a government-created monopoly on first class mail, it still depends on Congressional appropriations to exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/06/2009

I use it all the time and have no issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 07/06/2009
- Downix I'm a Fan of Downix 16 fans permalink

how about instead figure out how much is wasted on healthcare now due to the lack of a public option. I worked in the health care industry, server back-end. I can tell you how much money is sucked out of the economy due to poor design, bad infastructure, and most of all, the sheer greed of the super-wealthy.

Hint, the whole trickle-down idea doesn't work. Want to know why? There's a secret to being super-wealthy. c'mere, I'll tell you... closer... closer... now, the secret of the super wealthy is THEY DON'T SPEND THEIR MONEY!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/06/2009
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DEAR THREADNAZI-M0DERAT0RS.....

We are losing some of our BRIGHTEST people because, for some INEXPLICABLE reason, this site has decided to become the exact OPPOSITE of what it started as... a PROGRESSIVE blog... a place for OPEN EXCHANGE.

As peacekitten wrote just a short time ago....

You either believe in free speech or you don't... but you cannot hold your hand out and wait for money to drop into it, given to you as a "liberal" and a staunch defender of free speech while at the same time ARBITRARILY C.ENSORING a website that you claim is open for anyone from the public to participate in.

That means that you don't get to SILENCE people simply because you do not like what they have to say.

You can't GAG someone for citing facts and speaking truth that you don't want others to know about.... because that makes you a HYPOCRITE.

You either believe in free speech or you don't.

You practice what you preach or you don't.... and if you don't, you need to expect to be dealt the consequences. ---------------

EXPOSURE.. as an entity that has been CORRUPTED by the same folks that corrupted our NATION.

HYPOCRISY.

This place is no different than any other, and it should stop marketing itself as such.... just as the republican party should call itself what it is, just as people who don't stand up for what they believe in should at least have the guts to call themselves as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 07/06/2009
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Cosigned. A really hefty percentage of comments I've tried to make recently completely disappeared down the black h0le. I'm not really sure if I care to keep posting in that kind of environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 98 fans permalink
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Always copy before you post. Keep a spare doc. for pasting in later if it gets to that point. They will not st ea l my time if I don't let them. Also rearrange ne ga tive words. See my post below.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 07/06/2009
- dobberdoss I'm a Fan of dobberdoss 29 fans permalink
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amen! A f###ing men!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/06/2009
- DaveyDavey I'm a Fan of DaveyDavey 107 fans permalink
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They pıss me off, too. I write something perfectly innocuous and it sits in limbo until it appears on page 3 and no one sees it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 98 fans permalink
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Copy it before you post and if it gets the pending line above it, repost it with any problematic words rearranged.

It's 1984 and it's the best I can advise under the circumstances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/06/2009
- jozzie I'm a Fan of jozzie 98 fans permalink
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Cosign. And amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/06/2009
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Thanks BSM....

That explains your position. With single payer though, everyone will be on the same system?

Does that mean they have to shut down some offices like with Chrysler? How can govt control such a vast industry. I just dont think all problems will be solved.

The ones doing it now have absolutely no problems?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/06/2009
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our government controls a vast country and a vast network of overseas bases. We have experience with vast

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 07/06/2009
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No... if you STILL want to use a private insurer.. that will be your right.

Paradigm shifts ALWAYS cost jobs in the beginning, my friend... those who work for the PRIVATE bureaucracy will find one in the PUBLIC bureaucracy....

We can't remain blacksmiths in the age of the automobile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/06/2009
- KarenT I'm a Fan of KarenT 128 fans permalink

The administration wasn't the only entity that didn't know just how bad the economy was. The past administration sure didn't and neither did most economists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

The past administration planned this collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 07/06/2009
- Beachchick I'm a Fan of Beachchick 376 fans permalink
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I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/06/2009

Karen : In fact, it'sa possibility that certain " economists " kept quiet,

In order to capitalize on the Rethug deregulated financial ' climate ' they'ed created.

Making them criminals, and even possibly traitors as well.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 07/06/2009
- KarenT I'm a Fan of KarenT 128 fans permalink

Have had the same thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

Motor trend:

Since 2001 the japanese government repeatedly intervined in currency markets to artificially devalue the yen by upward of 30%. As a result, Toyota and the other Japanese automakers receive a $4,000 to $14,000 subsidy on every vehicle they export to the U.S. Japan's currency manipulation is fueling the market share gains of Toyota, Honda and Nissan in the U.S. and putting downward pressure on UAW wages and benefits.

This is free trade?

Get a clue.

P.S. the electric car will be built by GM in china.Now we know why they killed it in the U.S, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 07/06/2009
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On a side note..... there is a love story in south carolina

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 07/06/2009
- Lilith33 I'm a Fan of Lilith33 163 fans permalink

LOL!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 07/06/2009
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willwallace.....

"We are supposed to help those who need our help that is within our limits. Surely you are not asking me to bankrupt myself so others can have healthcare.

I have seen you post nationalize the banks and healthcare..So how does that make you a capitalist?"

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will... don't be obtuse... NOBODY is advocating that ANYONE to "bankrupt themselves"..

"Healthcare is a HUMAN RIGHT.... I believe that with all my heart.. as did our FOUNDERS.

For the RECORD...

I have NEVER advocated "nationalizing" the banks NOR healthcare..

I feel that the banks need to be put into RECEIVERSHIP with Court-Appointed directors until such time that the bank is SOLVENT again & can be turned back over.

As far as "healthcare" is concerned...

I believe in SINGLE PAYER.. which is NOT "Socialized Medicine" nor is it "National Healthcare".

It is, simply... SELF INSURANCE.

Doctors, nurses, medical professionals are NOT told what to do (as they ARE by private insurers).

As to your query about my being a "capitalist".. I am INDEED one... but I don't believe in UNFETTERED Capitalism any more than I would believe in UNFETTERED Socialism.

The ONLY successful economic model for a self-governing society has been an AMALGAM of BOTH Capitalism & Socialism.

HISTORY has borne me out on this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 07/06/2009
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E pluribus unum

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/06/2009
- JZ735 I'm a Fan of JZ735 22 fans permalink

No kidding, Joe...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/06/2009
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Is everyone getting out of line?

I have not been scrubbed once.

Only when talk about cap and trade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/06/2009
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abt an hr ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/06/2009
- KarenT I'm a Fan of KarenT 128 fans permalink

I think it's the weekend crew. I've been scrubbed on many threads this entire weekend. Much more than usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 07/06/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 41 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/06/2009
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My posts are disappearing. Is this site being hacked?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/06/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 41 fans permalink

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 07/06/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 41 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 07/06/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 41 fans permalink

MUCH

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 07/06/2009
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