Obama, Medvedev Meet In Russia

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STEVEN R. HURST | 07/ 6/09 09:22 PM | AP

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MOSCOW — Presidents Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev confidently committed to a year-end deal to slash nuclear stockpiles by about a third on Monday, but the U.S. leader failed to crack stubborn Kremlin objections to America's missile defense plans _ a major stumbling block to such an agreement.

Both men renewed pledges to pull U.S.-Russian relations out of the dismal state into which they had descended during the eight years of the Bush administration. And to that end, they signed a series of agreements and joint statements designed to enliven and quicken contacts on a broad range of issues _ including cooperation on Afghanistan, a key Obama foreign policy objective.

Obama said the leaders both felt relations had "suffered from a sense of drift. President Medvedev and I are committed to leaving behind the suspicion and rivalry of the past."

His host expressed similar good will.

"This is the first but very important step in improving full-scale cooperation between our two countries, which would go to the benefit of both states," the Russian leader said. But he injected a note of caution, saying discussions so far "cannot remove the burden of all the problems."

There was no statement of Russian readiness to help the United States persuade Iran to abandon its nuclear ambitions, even though Obama's top Russia adviser, Michael McFaul, told reporters in a post-meeting briefing that Iran dominated the two leaders' private meeting that opened the summit. Talks continued in an expanded session that included 12 advisers for each president.

For all the upbeat public statements, a pall of disagreement on missile defense and NATO expansion lingered over the glittering Kremlin hall where Obama and Medvedev answered reporters' questions. Obama said the meetings had been "frank," diplomatic speak for difficult.

Obama sits down on Tuesday with Medvedev's patron and predecessor as president, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, the target of a verbal poke from the U.S. president last Friday. In a pre-summit interview with The Associated Press, Obama said Putin still had one foot in the old, Cold War way of doing things.

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While Medvedev insisted on Monday that a replacement to the keystone START I nuclear arms reduction treaty, which expires Dec. 5, must be linked to Russian concerns about the U.S. missile defense program in Eastern Europe, it remained unclear if the Kremlin was prepared to scuttle the negotiations over that issue.

Gary Samore, Obama's chief adviser on weapons of mass destruction and arms control, told reporters he did not believe the Russians were prepared to walk away.

"I think at the end of the day _ because our missile defense does not actually pose a threat to Russia's strategic forces _ I think they'll be prepared to go ahead without trying to extract a price on missile defense."

And McFaul said it had been made "crystal clear" from the beginning that negotiations about a START replacement would not include any missile defense issues.

Washington insists the defense program is designed only to protect European allies from missile attack by Iran.

Hoping to ease Kremlin concerns, Obama promised that an assessment of whether the missile defense would actually work would be finished by late summer, earlier than expected, and that he would share initial U.S. thoughts with Medvedev.

Obama also said he understood in principle that arms control must take into account both offensive and defensive weapons. But he insisted the missile defense installations planned for Poland and the Czech Republic would pose no threat to Russia. He said they were not being built to intercept missiles from "a mighty Russian arsenal."

Obama does not approach the missile defense issue with the same fervor as former President George W. Bush, whose administration was responsible for reaching agreement with the two former Soviet satellites to serve as sites for the system.

The planned START replacement pact _ the centerpiece summit agreement _ calls for each side to reduce strategic warheads to a range of 1,500 to 1,675, and strategic delivery vehicles to a range of 500 to 1,100. Current limits allow a maximum of 2,200 warheads and 1,600 launch vehicles. The new treaty, as conceived, would run for 10 years. Each side would have seven years to reach reduction goals with the final three years used for verification.

Medvedev called the plan a "reasonable compromise."

Among the deals meant to sweeten Obama's two days of talks here and show progress toward resetting U.S.-Russian ties was a joint statement on Afghanistan. It included a deal to allow the United States to transport arms and military personnel across Russian land and airspace into Afghanistan.

The White House said that would save $133 million a year, through a transit fee waiver, shorter flying times and fuel savings.

The presidents outlined other areas in which they said their countries would work together to help stabilize Afghanistan, including increasing assistance to the Afghan army and police, and training counternarcotics personnel. A joint statement said they welcomed increased international support for upcoming Afghan elections and were prepared to help Afghanistan and Pakistan work together against the "common threats of terrorism, extremism and drug trafficking."

Among other side agreements was the resumption of military cooperation, suspended after Russia invaded neighboring Georgia last August and sent relations into a nosedive. Last August, after the Georgian president ordered his military to try to retake the breakaway region of South Ossetia, Russia invaded and crushed the tiny nation's military.

McFaul said Obama would never accept Russia's contention that South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another breakaway Georgia region, are no longer part of Georgia.

Putin has voiced deep anger with Georgia's coziness with the United States as it lobbies to join NATO, and the standoff about Georgia is likely to be a central issue when Putin meets with Obama on Tuesday.

Obama also will deliver a speech Tuesday to graduates of Moscow's New Economic School in a bid to reach out to the Russian people. In addition, he plans to meet with opposition leaders who are continually under government pressure for their complaints about retreating democracy and freedom under Putin.

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Associated Press Writer Ben Feller contributed to this report.

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The losers in all these “changes” are the “fear dependent industries”, that is to say, those whose organizations and businesses are dependent, and prosper when the country is in a state of fear. This includes the armament, space, intelligence industries, and maybe, career soldiers (less challenges mean less medals and promotions) .

Less fear is bad for business; it would eat into their profit margin and they wouldn't like this one bit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 07/09/2009
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I said this before: incessant attacks on Palin only end in backlash..­.it's already happening.­..ignoring her would be far smarter...­maybe if Reagan and Bush had been ignored, as they should have been.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 07/09/2009
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They had "frank talks"

Diplospeak for they disagreed.­..ALOT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/09/2009
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To the Obama haters:
You hated Clinton, calling him a "communist" because, as a student, he visited Russia.

You hated Gore, because concern about a "cooking" planet is "socialist".

You hated Kerry, because he was a "socialist" (with a rich capitalist wife) and his wartime sacrifice wasn't sufficient (like that of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gingrich)?

And now you hate Obama because of, what, having been a community organizer (ooh, "communism")? Black? Highly poised and intelligent?

Apparently in such delusional thought, all members of the Democratic Party are "socialists" or "commies". Exactly what era and alternate dimension are you from, and don't you find hatred to be exhausting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/07/2009
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keep lying to yourself buddy.... that's the only way you can justify Obama being good for this nation...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 07/08/2009
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All roads lead to...CHINA­;

USA TODAY; 02/18/2002 - Updated 10:33 PM ET

President's uncle shares Bush family ties to China

By Debbie Howlett,

USA TODAY

Last year, he opened the U.S.-China Chamber of Commerce offices in Chicago. The membership roster includes United Airlines, American Express, McDonald's, Ford and Arthur Andersen, the beleaguered company that audited Enron's books. Bush says opportunities abound now that the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis is in the past: "The Chinese are very much interested in getting foreign capital in. They desperately need the jobs."



Guess whos jobs they got brainic...­......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 07/09/2009
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It's quite interesting to read these comments. Some of us read the original article, and may be post a comment (or two, if time permits) but what I see here today is truly mind boggling.
Flossophy alone, all by himself / herself / itself has managed to write half the comments on this post. It must be his / her / its full-time job to write comments or he / she / it doesn't even have a job.
Really, flossophy, don't you realize this is a lefty news outlet? You'll be fighting alone against one million readers. I say, go post your views on Faux Mews, you may even find someone to agree with you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/07/2009
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Here is a little poem just for Mr. Hand:

The Hand

by Mary Ruefle

The teacher asks a question.
You know the answer, you suspect
you are the only one in the classroom
who knows the answer, because the person
in question is yourself, and on that
you are the greatest living authority,
but you don’t raise your hand.
You raise the top of your desk
and take out an apple.
You look out the window.
You don’t raise your hand and there is
some essential beauty in your fingers,
which aren’t even drumming, but lie
flat and peaceful.
The teacher repeats the question.
Outside the window, on an overhanging branch,
a robin is ruffling its feathers
and spring is in the air.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 07/06/2009

The leader of the free world, bringing his universal arch of justice, meets the spy chief tomorrow. Both of their respective intelligence services are Naughty but only one is truly perverted and those are the dedicated professionals at the counter intelligence unit at the FBI and their counterparts directing the terrorist surveillance program. Based on any hypothetical potential (without regard to guilt or innocence or actual intent), they have the power to place a conveyor belt of informants under your feet that can steer and derail your life without you ever knowing the FBI was behind it. In the Kremlin, they probably keep their crimes small, put the FBI dumps dire and grave consequences over swaths of people, turning them into consensual informants wired into the TSP, and controlling their crime scenes where they can engineer almost anything. The dangerous part is that these informants assume they are protecting freedom and the rule of law even though the President may have war time powers where he can use these informants with hostile and premeditated intentions under razor thin investigative pretenses as the cover. Only when people assume the rule of law is absolute can one of these playbook work and if these dedicated professionals where in any other country in the world, they would have been called out a long time ago for the felons they are and the poor performance they put on. (continued)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 07/06/2009

(continued )The guy outside Moscow may go back to work after his interrogation, badly bruised. In security America, these informants can be perfectly synchronized via the TSP. With new metrics and responsibilities drafted by our counter intel professionals, the coordinated use of these informants can steer any one out of their job without a warrant and only based on the hypothetical assumption that you can be a threat one day, and make it look like it was your fault to the outside world. Catch wind that the Federal government is causing it? Exercise your rights and see what happens. These dedicated perverts, for your greater good, operate well outside what a reasonable person would ever expect their government to do and the real dynamic becomes the more you tell the truth the sillier you sound. If no one ever knows what the truth was, then they probably did their job and even OBL would be proud of them. (continued(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 07/06/2009

(continued )Sound a little nuts, yup, but I worked for the US Secret Service, shook Shameful George's hand, and have other circumstantial facts that I am prohibited from law from talking about. Those are the facts that served as the pretense for the playbook I found myself on over two years ago and have been prevented from obtaining any legal assistance what so ever even though I have irrevocable proof of this process. I was probably one of the very few that realized the coordinated production under my feet. At least the poor guy in Moscow knows what he is dealing with because assumptions are some of the most dangerous things. Committing hostile acts by using citizens as shields and tools, under the cover of rule of law, is as perverted as it gets, even if it is done under the banner of fighting terror or OBL, because that is exactly what they aimed for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 07/06/2009
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Russia, what a concept.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 07/06/2009
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Let's see... liberating 25 million oppressed peoples. (with potentially more to come)

Cutting taxes, which led to 6+ years of robust growth (erased by CRA, Fannie & Freddie... thanks Democrats).

Strengthening security..­.

Massively funding AIDS prevention in Africa...

not too shabby, given the roadblocks the left threw his way throughout the entire two terms.

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You mean that i.n.v.a..s­ion based on li.e.s thing, that cost 4,000 Americans the ultimate price, bl.e.d. the treasury dry and made America a laughingstock on the national stage?

The tax cu.t.s that wiped out a budget surplus, and created massive economic bubbles that, when they burst, led directly to the current crisis?

Causing a massive increase in t.e.r.r.o.­rist at.t.tacks in the years following 2001, being completely ineffective in combating t.e.r.r.or, and providing the ultimate recrui.t.m­ent to.o.ls via Gu.an.ta.namo, Abu Gh.r.aib and the "policy" of .to.rture?

And basing A.I.D.S funding in Africa on faith-based qualifications?

Quite a farking dis.a.ster­, from beginning to end, and hopefully not soon forgotten, lest the reigns of power be given to another inc.o.m.pe.tent Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 07/06/2009
- toushe I'm a Fan of toushe 8 fans permalink

Try buying and reading an honest newspaper instead of getting false info here.You will be amazed on what is really going on in the world!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 07/06/2009
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You're as pompous as the other c lown. You don't know what people here read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 07/06/2009
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sigh.

an |nvas|0n based on a legitimate thr3at... all of the world's intelligence agencies thought he had em. Allowing that situation to continue was untenable.

Obama is making America a laughingst­ock... and we're only 150+ days in.

The budget surplus was on paper. Raising taxes handed a recession to Shrub.

Government intervention caused this crisis.

sigh... the ter`r0rists didn't need Gitm0 to recruit newbies.

The fog is thick in your mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/06/2009
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wrong on every count.

*sigh*

i guess the cloud of ignorance you live in has become far, far too comfortabl­e...

Join us, won't you, over here in reality...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 07/06/2009
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LOL - Governor Quitter took to Twitter.

Gotta remember that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 07/06/2009
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I guess she accomplished what she set out to do since this is an article about barry trying to suck up to putin and bloggers like you can't seem to get away from it.By the way this was fridays news!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 07/06/2009
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there was another good one on Rachel tonight. You know what they say about Alaskan boy friends? the odds are very good to find one, but when you them they are odd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 07/06/2009
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Ruckin Scrubbers!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/06/2009
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Oh, just one more cuz it makes me giggle....

We-Are-The-Ones I'm a Fan of We-Are-The-Ones I'm a fan of this user permalink

You move people with fact, information, and intellect. . . and not with BS.

BS moves nothing but the bowels.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 07/06/2009

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You've posted enough disparaging comments to fill up a large intestine.

I've got a large rubber bottle with warm water for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 07/06/2009
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Thanks. I like large rubber bottle with warm water. Send it on.

LOL

PS: What are you doing with such a bottle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/06/2009
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Too many Democrat talking points backs me up sometimes.­.. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 07/06/2009
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You have once again failed to sell anyone on your sophomoric Objectivism B.S

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 07/06/2009
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You've clung too hard to a fading ide0logy. Loosen your grip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 07/06/2009
- toushe I'm a Fan of toushe 8 fans permalink

Thats what gi bbs does to when he can't answer a question,are all loons alike!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 07/06/2009
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Well, this has been fun... it's too easy getting the budding pr0gressives to scoff n ch0rtle on these threads.

A wonderful cac0ph0ny of statist drivel.

I'm off to get some work done, so I can pay taxes to subsidize the Democrat's constituencies and f3ckless policies.

You're welcome. Cheers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/06/2009
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Thats true - liberals tend to be defensive of the truth. Hopefully your fantasy world does not extend beyond these threads, else your another con who takes more than they give.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 07/06/2009
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ha yes only Republicans work and pay taxes, no wonder you guys are always screaming for tax cuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 07/07/2009
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