Francis Collins, Obama's Pick For NIH Chief

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LAURAN NEERGAARD | 07/ 8/09 08:24 PM | AP

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FILE -- In this Oct. 26, 2005 file photo, Francis Collins holds a copy of "Nature" as he speaks during a news conference announcing a new way to search through human DNA for specific genes in Salt Lake City. (AP Photo/Douglas C. Pizac, File)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is choosing an influential scientist who helped unravel the human genetic code _ and is known for finding common ground between belief in God and science _ to head the National Institutes of Health.

Obama called Dr. Francis Collins "one of the top scientists in the world" in announcing his nomination Wednesday.

"His groundbreaking work has changed the very ways we consider our health and examine disease," Obama said.

The NIH is the nation's premiere medical research agency, directing $29.5 billion to spur innovative science that leads to better health. Collins, an early gene-hunter, would come to the job not just with the scientific credentials, but with a reputation for translating the complexities of DNA into language the everyday American can understand.

The folksy Collins led the Human Genome Project that, along with a competing private company, mapped the genetic code _ or, as he famously called it, "the book of human life."

"It is humbling for me, and awe-inspiring, to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God," he said at a 2000 White House ceremony marking release of the genome's first draft.

For that work, he was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award. But he may be more widely known for his 2007 best-selling book, "The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief."

And this spring Collins, 59, was named one of GQ Magazine's "Rock Stars of Science," posing in cool shades as part of a publicity campaign to bring celebrity to science.

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John Porter, a former Republican congressman from Illinois who now chairs the health advocacy group Research!America called Collins "a perfect choice."

"He knows the science and he is an outstanding leader," Porter said.

Collins promises to make the NIH's important work more understandable not only for patients but for lawmakers who hold the agency's purse strings, said American Heart Association President Dr. Clyde Yancey.

"The real advantage he brings is the ability to translate deep and complex science to the lay population ... in a meaningful way that allows it to be tangible and actionable," he said.

Collins has discovered numerous genes important for diseases, including the one that leads to cystic fibrosis.

But the true power of genetics, he told a meeting of scientists in Washington last month, has yet to be realized as researchers eventually learn enough to provide customized predictions of which diseases really threaten an individual, and personalized care to respond.

Today, "you can get fancy DNA tests for hundreds of dollars," Collins told The Endocrine Society meeting _ but your better bet for now may be a simple family tree of health, checking what ailments Mom, Dad and Grandpa had to predict your own future. "That's a free genetic test of great power."

NIH is familiar turf: Collins spent 15 years as the NIH's chief of genome research, before stepping down last year to, among other things, work with Obama's campaign. He also helped found the BioLogos Foundation, a Web site formed by a group of scientists who say they want to bridge gaps between science and religion.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is choosing an influential scientist who helped unravel the human genetic code _ and is known for finding common ground between belief in God and science _ to...
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- relaxeder I'm a Fan of relaxeder 4 fans permalink
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I'm not telling anyone what to believe... I'm just saying, if it was possible for life and the universe and everything as we know it today to be created by some glorious accident, it must be possible for there to have been a creator too. Not saying you have to subscribe to the image of an old bearded man or a six armed god or whatever, I'm just saying I don't see how people can be so quick to call this thing we call "life" an accident, and discount the possibility that it wasn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/08/2009
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And who created the creator?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 07/08/2009
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He is Uncreated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 07/08/2009
- Kalarchis I'm a Fan of Kalarchis 4 fans permalink
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Here's a better question: if God didn't create the universe, then what did?

Has it just always been?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 07/08/2009
- Gib I'm a Fan of Gib 28 fans permalink

The Creator^2 created the Creator. And the Creator^2 was created by the Creator^3, etc. In this sequence each successive Creator must be far more complex and powerful than the one he creates, obviously. In other words, far from answering a question, this childish hypothesis infinitely complicates the issue. All this silliness to avoid saying "I don't know".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 AM on 07/09/2009
- RuinedSaint I'm a Fan of RuinedSaint 144 fans permalink
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"...by some glorious accident..­."

"Accident" is a term that's only used to discredit existance as a natural phenomenon by attempting to make it sound rediculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 07/08/2009

"Logic is the beginning of wisdom"...­Spock

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 07/08/2009
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"it must be possible for there to have been a creator too"

Possible? Perhaps. But far from necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 07/08/2009
- dannyc12 I'm a Fan of dannyc12 2 fans permalink

First, science has never claimed a glorious accident as the beginning of the universe.

Now, I suppose what you are claiming is possible. Although it seems every time I hear similar discussions of possibilities, the claimant is speaking very specifically about the god of a certain work of fiction.

But hey, if we want to discuss possibilities, let's go hog wild. I'm just saying, it must be possible that Elvis Presley was the human incarnation of the race of beings that created the universe and specifically life on Earth. This race of super-duper beings was certainly flawed and their human incarnation was no exception. But, they did sacrifice their only human offspring for the benefit of mankind and as payment for our sins.

It's possible, right? Sure it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/08/2009
- jbrantow I'm a Fan of jbrantow 39 fans permalink

fine......­describe your theory and back it up with proven research and facts. Faith is not a factor in proving scientific theory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 07/08/2009
- Abrafo I'm a Fan of Abrafo 4 fans permalink
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He's a great guy. He was the keynote speaker at my cousin's graduation last May. After giving real good advice to the new graduates he brought out a guitar and sung for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 07/08/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Really? Great story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 07/08/2009
- Abrafo I'm a Fan of Abrafo 4 fans permalink
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yep. I may have a small video of him singing somewhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 07/09/2009

Yeah, utterly fascinating! Real good story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/08/2009
- ephoenix5 I'm a Fan of ephoenix5 7 fans permalink

Wow what a fantastic choice. No one better in the world. Obama's choices always seem so common sense that it just baffles the mind that they were not made before.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/08/2009
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This is a person who understands exactly WHY all the crap from fundamentalists is just that...CRA­P.
Running around attacking people who believe in things like evolution and the Big Bang theory, telling them that they are "against God and the Bible" because they themselves never understood the scientific method, is the reason why America has slipped to near the bottom of the global intellectual community.
Sorry fundies, but the Bible might be the Word of God, and a very important spiritual guide, but the fact remains that it was written by MEN, MORTAL MEN, in the dark, and in a world FULL OF IGNORANCE.
It was later redacted and rewritten by corrupt men who sought to change its message to suit their own stingy agenda, an agenda that was all about control of the masses.
It is an ancient book, which although written by some great minds, is still full of HUMAN ERROR.
Science is our best chance to see the HAND OF GOD AT WORK, because GOD gave mankind the mental acuity to open and unlock His secrets and his handiwork. God meant for science to be His Gift to mankind, and He meant for mankind to stare in awe and wonder through the scientific lens in order to know Him better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/08/2009

One of the ways we can see or know God is through the scriptures and in the Catholic Church and The Saints.

Another is through the study of what else God made, human beings and all life as well as everything else in the Universe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 07/08/2009
- swampthing I'm a Fan of swampthing 9 fans permalink

Wrong. That is how you see mythology.
If you want to see something about the Creator, look at the creation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 07/09/2009

What nonsense. Those scriptures were written by people, and they are no more real than Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. These things are interesting from a historical perspective, and just for the sake of understanding where various cultural beliefs might come from, but to pretend the supernatural stuff described in the Bible is real is just silly. It's the same as reading ancient texts about Zeus and thinking they describe real events.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 07/09/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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I have different spiritual views but you make a great point about the difference between fundamentalists and reasonable people of faith.

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 07/08/2009
- Gib I'm a Fan of Gib 28 fans permalink

You can only enter the domain of faith by leaving the domain of reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 07/09/2009
- LindaCat I'm a Fan of LindaCat 9 fans permalink
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Ursula Goodenough in 'The Sacred Depths of Nature' relates the deep emotional/spiritual aspects of hardcore science without resorting to Deism and all it's unnecessary, and undesirable baggage.
http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Depths-Nature-Ursula-Goodenough/dp/0195136292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247111325&sr=8-1
A worthwhile read, even for one such as myself who is about as religious as a tree stump.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/08/2009
- swampthing I'm a Fan of swampthing 9 fans permalink

If it was (and, of course, it was) written by mortal men, then it's not the word of any god. An omnipotent Creator of the Universe need not rely on rumours and bad translations over the course of centuries to try and get a message across. "He" would just simultaneously "reveal" information to everyone simultaneously (which would also be more democratic­.) Please give whatever created the universe more credit than your organized mythologies do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 07/09/2009
- unity08 I'm a Fan of unity08 11 fans permalink
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Why does it bother you so if people choose to believe in God? I mean, I understand the born again, fundamentalism, evangelical fervor of the Christianists is extreme and dangerous but why put people down if they have faith in something you may not understand.
I say as long as people dont try to force their beliefs or tread on others freedom of choice, this would be good for all people, including believers, atheists, agnostics and everything in between.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 07/09/2009

Over thirty years ago I was taught about evolution by a Benedictine monk who saw no conflict between his awe at the wonders of empirical studies of life and the adoration of the God of his faith. Before Darwin and since, before Einstein and since, before Collins and into the future, there have been devote and dedicated scientist.

The two things are not incomparable, but are two complimentary aspects of the universe.

Those who reject theology and philosophy (three thousand years of human pursuit!) without curiosity, investigation, and understanding, (After which some do thoughtfully reject that view), are just as shallow, biased, and ignorant as those who ignore science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 07/08/2009
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I have the same experience with science and Orthodoxy, thank you for your post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/08/2009

Almost 30 years ago, I graduated from a Jesuit school, Xavier University.
I was taught about DNA in Catholic Middle School and Evolution in public high school although I knew a bit from my own reading.

I agree that those who reject the study of theology, philosophy and or science are biased too.

Funny thing about science, a good portion of major discoveries were made by Catholic priests and monks...be­cause, up until modern times...sa­y mid 1800's they were the only folks who had the time and training to actually discover..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 07/08/2009
- Imago I'm a Fan of Imago 117 fans permalink
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Good point about the Catholic monks, but I just wanted to say that's true in Western European culture, specifically.

Amazing things also came out of Persia, China, etc.

Wonder is, and should be, an extraordinarily important part of science.

Likewise, reason should be an important part of faith.

Mythos and logos are both legitimate ways of making meaning, and can exist in the same culture. Problems come when people begin to take metaphors literally (as in Xian fundamentalism) and/ro when people begin to assume that there is only the literal -- which the scientific community struggles with these days.

I don't really know anything about Collins; am looking forward to doing some reading about him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/08/2009
- bowthai I'm a Fan of bowthai 20 fans permalink

I like your point about science and faith being complementary things. I went through Catholic grade school and university with a public school stint in between, and my most vigorous science education came from the Catholics. One thing I appreciate about my religious education was that it helps put science in perspective. I don't mean that one has to believe in any higher being, just that I was given multiple contexts in which to better understand and appreciate science and technology (through philosophy class, social service projects, etc).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/08/2009
- swampthing I'm a Fan of swampthing 9 fans permalink

Actually, they are incompatible. One says humans were created instantly from dirt and the other says they developed within the animal world over hundreds of thousands of years.
Pray tell, what mental gymnastics did your priests hop through to reconcile that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/09/2009
- unity08 I'm a Fan of unity08 11 fans permalink
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You are being way to literal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 07/09/2009
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THis is sheer ignorance.­.how can you possibly claim to be for science?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 07/09/2009
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Nice to see someone who seems to know how to put science and its relationship to religion into place. Science is a domain that needs to be guided by, not dictated by faith/spirituality and still keep its own dogma separate from the dogma of formal religion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 07/08/2009
- Patricia84 I'm a Fan of Patricia84 21 fans permalink
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There exist no relationship between religion and science. They are in totally different spheres: relaity and fantasy. At least if it was science-fiction, there'd be some potential link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 07/08/2009
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Religion and science I agree have no relationship, Spirituality/faith and science on the other hand do have a relationship, because even science depends on a certain level of blind faith. The difference is that in science, it's okay to say "I don't know", then go on to prove or disprove a given theory. In religion, it is not acceptable to say "I don't know" and people are forced to come up with the typical pretzel logic that we see in so many religious arguments against things that have no basis

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 07/08/2009
- BrianMac I'm a Fan of BrianMac 12 fans permalink
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Amen! I've said it before and I'll say it again: you cannot equate faith with facts! I might believe that there is a brand new car behind door number two because, gosh darn it, it just HAS to be there! But I don't have PROOF that it's there or not there until the door is open (or I go backstage to see). My BELIEVING it is there does not MAKE its existence real.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 07/08/2009
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This is sheer ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 07/09/2009
- ManiDeli I'm a Fan of ManiDeli 2 fans permalink

Science and religion are in total conflict starting with page one of the Bible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/09/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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As a scientist the president could have not picked a better person to lead the NIH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/08/2009
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OMG. Someone other than a scientist from NASA or Johns Hopkins. Thank goodness.

http://www.bccmeteorites.com/misconduct-planetary.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 07/08/2009
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As an Orthodox Christian I have a concern of him being in the "born again" community. This particular group teaches incorrect doctrine- which is made apparent by their political agendas- which feeds into the "science versus faith" binary. I personally know a monk who converted to Orthodoxy after he was already working as a physicist; he's since kept interest in the field. He says the Christian faith is absolutely compatible with scientific inquiry; what has made it seem otherwise is a constant and irrational fear and ideologically driven dismissal of science by many of these Evangelical and fundamentalist groups in the US. I wish more people could dismiss both liberal and conservative propaganda demeaning the other side and see there exists a feasible middle ground void of science or the Christian faith having to negate the other.

Here's a five-part video commentary of the monk's views on science and the Christian faith: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0rsWp7sCnY

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- Gib I'm a Fan of Gib 28 fans permalink

You might as well say belief in fairies is compatible with science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 07/09/2009

It's sad how much ignorance, prejudice, and bigotry is evident among posters here concerning a scientist and administrator who is clearly well-qualified for this position. In his writings (such as "The Language of God"), Francis Collins agrees with Kenneth Miller and opposes BOTH young-earth creationism and Intelligent Design as unscientific and contrary to the empirical evidence regarding the origins of the universe and of life on our planet. He is vocal about his belief in theistic evolution, but he does not confuse science and theology. Unlike J. Craig Venter, Dr. Collins opposed selling access to human genome data for profit. As a prominent scientist who also happens to be a person of conscience and faith, he can address the arguments of religious fundamentalists on issues such as stem cell research (which he supports) and science education. President Obama was wise to nominate him, since Dr. Collins can be an emissary for science with the majority of the U. S. population that still rejects or is doubtful about the reality of evolution and the benefits of science education and research. I hope that even hard-core atheists can concede that, if more Evangelical Christians had the world view of Francis Collins, the world would be a better place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 07/08/2009
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We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.
May you be touched by His noodily appendages and may He favourably mark you with His spaghetti sauce stigmata.
RAmen
http://www.venganza.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 07/08/2009
- HeWhoReads I'm a Fan of HeWhoReads 8 fans permalink
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Now I want spaghetti. Ramen noodles, not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/08/2009
- Kalarchis I'm a Fan of Kalarchis 4 fans permalink
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Was there a nice shockwave when his post went zooming over your head?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/08/2009
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You sound like a real quack who should be posting on quackwatch.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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That is at least good satire, thank you for being there.

I personally know several Pastafarians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/08/2009

I for one don't think this guy is a bad person or even remotely unqualified. I'm sure he'll do a good job.

I am attacking not him, but the belief itself, and I also find it odd how otherwise rational people can convince themselves that such obviously fictional things are true. It's just puzzling, and kind of silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/08/2009

Why attack his belief? Why not just say that you just don't believe and leave it at that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 07/08/2009
- Kalarchis I'm a Fan of Kalarchis 4 fans permalink
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The human mind comes in many styles, and what's 'obviously fictional' to you might just work for someone else. It's okay, though; you're human. It's difficult for us to understand minds which are not our own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/08/2009
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Wy do you care about other people's spiritual beliefs? It's personal. MYOB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/08/2009
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"President Obama was wise to nominate him, since Dr. Collins can be an emissary for science with the majority of the U. S. population that still rejects or is doubtful about the reality of evolution and the benefits of science education and research. I hope that even hard-core atheists can concede that, if more Evangelical Christians had the world view of Francis Collins, the world would be a better place."

Very insightful, your post was enlightening to read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 07/08/2009
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Collins is our best chance at combatting the willful ignorance of radical fundies in this country.
When a scientist takes spirituality to heart, more often than not it is RELIGION that benefits, IF and only IF religion allows the knowledge made possible by a scientist to be read and understood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 07/08/2009
- Gib I'm a Fan of Gib 28 fans permalink

"theistic evolution"?? WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 07/09/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

Open your eyes. This guy is a bureaucrat politician with a significant background in science. His job is to manage the bureaucracy and render "believers" impotent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/08/2009
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 69 fans permalink
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Of course. His job in there is not science. And he is well known for good (sometimes questionable) organizational skills).

Any high enough government job is unfortunately subject of implicit and explicit loyalty to a religion. Until we fix that and separate government from religion, we cannot complain too much about this specific case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/08/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

...within the discipline of science

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 07/08/2009
- RuinedSaint I'm a Fan of RuinedSaint 144 fans permalink
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On a more serious note... I know fully well who Collins is. Indeed, his work uncovered the fusion point within Human Chromosome #2 that proves beyond ANY DOUBT our relationship to the other primates; thus serves as one of the most definitive pieces of evidence regarding Evolutionary Theory that we know of.

I've also read his book, The Language of God. Aside from it being a rather insightful tome explaining genetics, I did find his rationalizations for coming to believe in a god (specifically, the Christian God) helpful in understanding why people still believe in such things, even in the modern era and despite the absolute lack of any supporting evidence. However, none of them seemed compelling enough to convince anyone that didn't already want to be convinced.

On the flip-side, he has never faltered in his application of methological naturalism despite his beliefs; he is an advocate for scientific research and has publicly rediculed attempts by the religious to modify or corrupt scientific education (specifically, Intelligent Design Creationism).

That said, I'm fairly certain that Collins will perform the job at-hand without his faith resulting in any conflicts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 07/08/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

co-sign BS Biology 1993

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 07/08/2009
- mjeffn I'm a Fan of mjeffn 27 fans permalink

and fan of Richard Dawkins

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 07/08/2009

Great post*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/09/2009
- AtheistUS I'm a Fan of AtheistUS 69 fans permalink
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Overwhelming majority of members of our National Academy of Sciences are atheists or at least agnostics. But there are of course marginal less than 10% that claim belief in god.

Francis Collins is well known for his organizational skills, and, of course, association with a religion pays off in US very well.

Anyway, good luck to him in his job. NIH is very important organization. Lots of money (compared to NSF), must be handled well.

If you seek opinion about religion from really fundamental scientist, read "Science and its cultural adversaries" - of Steven Weinberg, one of a very few most prominent physicists. By the way, he lives and works in Texas. Or just google the name: Steven Weinberg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Exactly what I find in my circle of friends and acquaintances who share an intense interest in Astrophysics, Cosmology and Astronomy. Some of them teach. I've heard from one already, he is just as upset about this as I am. That book Collins wrote in 2007 is what I remember him for.....eg­ad!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 07/08/2009
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At least Obama didn't appointed someone who's only credentials were previously running horse-racing tracks (i.e. FEMA).

This is definitely a step in the right direction

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/08/2009

By the responses here, I wonder why the 90% of the NAS doesn't throw out the 10% that claim belief in god? After all, how can they be "real scientists"?

Maybe because the agnostics are concerned that they'd be next? How could they be in ANY doubt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 07/09/2009
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He might be able to talk to Rep. B@chmann about science beyond grade six!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 07/08/2009
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Nope no hope for her batshitcrazyness at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/08/2009
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Those who are complaining about Dr. Collin's belief in God are coming from your own understanding of what God is or isn't. No one on this planet has the same understanding or belief that you do. These things are as unique to you as your finger print. To criticize anyone for believing in an ultimate power of their understanding is just as wrong as telling anyone not to belief or that your ultimate power is better than mine. Whatever we as individuals end up calling an ultimate power is surely enhanced or changed by the discoveries of science. It has been this way since the beginning. And for those who believe God created everything, science is a part of the everything. Narrow minded individuals are unable to expand their mind to all the possibilities. You way is not the only way, if it was would we have discovered and uncovered all that we have created and see before us. Stop telling yourself you know the only way and we might all be happier for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/08/2009

Look, believing certain things to be true are simply ludicrous, and there's nothing wrong with saying so. Believing that a magical creature created humanity and the entire universe, that he had a human son with super powers who could walk on water, return from the dead, and heal people, with absolutely zero reason or evidence, is equivalent to an adult believing that there is a magic man in a red suit who lives at the North Pole with flying reigndeer and elves.

It is fiction. It is myth. To believe these fanciful things to be literally true is just silliness. There's nothing wrong with saying that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 07/08/2009
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The earth had a beginning, at some point in time. If there is a beginning then there has to be a beginner. It does not have to be a Christian God, a Muslim Allah, etc. etc. BUT most scientist will admit that there was a designer. SOMETHING beyond our capability of understanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 07/08/2009

No, but we DO know how science works, what it is and isn't. We just ask that you keep your "faith" in warlocks, aliens, Elvis, and Jesus to yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 07/08/2009

There are many people that believe in God and science. I am one and I don't appreciate when either side dictates by insults or put -downs that what you as an individual choose to represent your life. Hypocrite is the name we give to people that preach one thing and do or say another. So, lets all remember that when you insult someone on their beliefs or say the person is evil for having no belief in God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/08/2009
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"Stop telling yourself you know the only way and we might all be happier for it."

That is exactly what I have been telling those believers all my life, when is that going to work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 07/08/2009

well stated YOUChampion. Christians don't have the right to force their belief on others no more than non-christian, securlarist or atheist have a right to force their position on christians. This scientist has a right to believe and I tihnk his belieft wouldn't affect his work. Just like atheist believe it ludicrous to believe in God, it is just as Ludicrous to true christian believer that non-christains can not believe in a higher intelligence and instead believe in evolution.

it takes just as much faith if not more to believe that we derived from a murky pond than it does to believe that we were designed by a creator. Your lack of understanding in HIS ways doesn't give you the right or authority to nullify HIS existence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 07/08/2009
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"well stated YOUChampion. Christians don't have the right to force their belief on others no more than non-christian, securlarist or atheist have a right to force their position on christians"

Uh... I don't think you understand what "secularists" are. Secular is a position of neutrality regarding religion; it isn't pro-religion or anti-religion.

To date, the only people I've known to have problems with "secularists" are religious people who can't handle the limitations inherent in living in a secular democracy.

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"it takes just as much faith if not more to believe that we derived from a murky pond than it does to believe that we were designed by a creator."

Evidence doesn't require belief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/08/2009

"it takes just as much faith if not more to believe that we derived from a murky pond than it does to believe that we were designed by a creator. Your lack of understanding in HIS ways doesn't give you the right or authority to nullify HIS existence.­"

If your limited understanding of biology equates to shame about being "derived from a murky pond" then you need to sign up for an introductory biology class very soon. Actually, make that a high-school level class.

Your capitalization of pronouns leaves no question about your (lack of) scientific education.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 07/08/2009
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Piles of rubbish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 07/09/2009
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"God and the fundamental laws of structure and operation are one and the same reality." Spinoza

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/08/2009
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So, Spinoza sometimes wrote word "God" instead of "Nature".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 07/08/2009
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I know and work with multiple NAS members and a couple Nobel laureates. It is fair to say that most of them are non-believers or highly heretical believers. However, they do not share the hostility most of you seem to have toward believers as a group. Yes, they are irritated (as I am) by ID, creationism and other religious interference in science, but don't care in the least if people believe in God or are even practicing Christians or Jews (still many practicing Jews in the sciences). Most regard religious questions as very difficult and don't fault people for coming to conclusions divergent to themselves.

I do not know Francis Collins, but I know people that do and they have nothing but the highest respect for him scientifically. Most scientists of his caliber are a little quirky and most of them view his religion as one of his quirks.

For those of you complaining about Obama. He is a mainline protestant and a theistic evolutionist. This nomination should not be a surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/08/2009
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What an excellent post.

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