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SUN VALLEY, Idaho — Google Inc. is hoping to gain greater control over how personal computers work by developing a free operating system that will attack Microsoft Corp.'s golden goose _ its long-dominant Windows franchise.

The new operating system will be based on Google's 9-month-old Web browser, Chrome. Google intends to rely on help from the community of open-source programmers to develop the Chrome operating system, which is expected to begin running computers in the second half of 2010.

The early versions of the Chrome operating system will be tailored for "netbooks," a breed of low-cost, less powerful laptop computers that are becoming increasingly popular among budget-conscious consumers primarily interested in surfing the Web.

That is a direct challenge to Microsoft, whose next operating system, Windows 7, is being geared for netbooks as well as larger computers.

The vast majority of netbooks already run on Windows, and that is unlikely to change unless Google can demonstrate the Chrome operating system is a significant improvement, said Forrester Research analyst Paul Jackson. He pointed out that many customers had returned the original netbooks that used open-source alternatives to Windows.

"It was not what people expected," he said. "People wanted Windows because they knew how to use it and knew how applications worked."

Google struck a confident tone in a blog posting late Tuesday night announcing its operating system. The Mountain View, Calif.-based company believes it can streamline the operating system to improve speed and reduce security threats.

"We hear a lot from our users and their message is clear _ computers need to get better," wrote Sundar Pichai, Google's vice president of product management, and Linus Upson, Google's engineering director.

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Microsoft hadn't responded to requests for comment through Wednesday.

Investors seemed to be betting on Google Wednesday as its shares rose $5.86, or 1.5 percent, to close at $402.49. Shares in Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft inched up 3 cents to $22.56.

The success of the Chrome operating system will likely hinge on its acceptance among computer manufacturers that have been loyal Windows customers for years, said Matt Rosoff, an analyst for the research group Directions on Microsoft. "Most people, when they get a new operating system, they get it with their PC," he said. "I don't think most people think much about their operating systems."

If enough computer manufacturers embrace the Chrome operating system, it could weaken Microsoft while opening up new avenues for Google to persuade consumers and businesses to use its suite of online applications and other Internet services, generating more opportunities for Google to sell lucrative Internet ads.

Getting consumers and businesses to switch to computers powered by a new operating system won't be easy, as Google has learned from the introduction of Chrome. Google says about 30 million people are using Chrome, a small fraction of the Web surfers who rely on Microsoft's market-leading Internet Explorer.

Microsoft's Windows operating system has been even more dominant for a longer period time despite challenges from Apple Inc. and various systems based on Linux, the same type of open-source software that Google plans to use.

"It's going to be tough," Standard & Poor's equity analyst Scott Kessler said of Google's foray into PC operating systems. "The reality is that as the importance of a device or task increases, people have a much lower inclination to consider a change."

Businesses will be especially reluctant to abandon Windows because, on average, about 70 percent of their applications are designed to run on that, said Gartner Inc. analyst Michael Silver.

"This is going to generate a lot of hype, but it will probably be three to five years before it has any noticeable impact on the market," Silver said.

Consumers are likely to be more tempted to experiment with the Chrome operating system because it probably will decrease netbook prices even further. Microsoft's operating system typically adds $50 to $100 to a computer's price, Silver said.

Netbooks are winning new fans largely because they are inexpensive. Gartner estimates about 21 million netbooks will be shipped worldwide this year. That's still just relatively small portion of the 149 million laptops and other mobile PCs that Gartner expects to be sold this year.

If the Chrome operating system gains market momentum, it could raise antitrust concerns, depending on how Google ties the software with its other products, including its dominant Internet search engine. Microsoft had faced such complaints in the U.S. and Europe in packaging Windows with its now-dominant Internet Explorer browser.

Chrome will run on the same x86 microprocessors that now power Windows and Apple Inc.'s Mac computers, as well as ARM chips used in smart phones.

Google has already introduced an operating system for smart phones and other mobile devices, called Android, that vies against various other systems, including ones made by Microsoft and Apple.

The Android system worked well enough to entice some computer makers to begin developing netbooks that will run on it. Acer Inc., the world's third-largest PC maker, said last month it would begin offering Android netbooks, saying it would cut costs and likely help computers start up more quickly.

Google, though, apparently believes a Chrome-based system will be better suited for netbooks.

The duel between Google and Microsoft has been steadily escalating in recent years as Google's dominance of the Internet's lucrative search market has given it the means to threaten Microsoft in ways that few other companies can.

Google already has rankled Microsoft by luring some of its top employees and developing an online package of computer programs that provide an alternative to Microsoft's top-selling word processing, spreadsheet and calendar applications.

Meanwhile, Microsoft has been trying to thwart Google by investing billions of dollars to improve its own Internet search and advertising systems _ to little avail so far. In the past month or so, though, Microsoft has been winning positive reviews and picking up more users with its search upgrade, Bing.

Now Google is aiming for Microsoft's financial jugular with the Chrome operating system.

Microsoft has drawn much of its power _ and profits _ from the Windows operating system that has steered most personal computers for the past two decades. The research firm IDC estimates the Windows operating system and software applications designed to run on it accounted for about $29 billion, or 58 percent, of Microsoft's revenue last year.

Google's chief executive, Eric Schmidt, and its co-founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, have not concealed their disdain for Windows.

Schmidt maintains Microsoft sometimes unfairly rigs its operating system to limit consumer choices _ something that Microsoft has consistently denied doing. Google fears Microsoft could limit access to its search engine and other products if Windows is set up to favor Microsoft products.

Schmidt and Brin are expected to discuss Google's new operating system this week when they appear at a media conference hosted by Allen & Co. at the Sun Valley resort in Idaho. They had not arrived at the conference Wednesday afternoon as other participants finished up their lunch and set out for a whitewater rafting trip.

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Ortutay reported from New York.

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- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Microsoft is doomed in the very long run. Linux already has more developers than Windows does. There is no way that Microsoft can hire and manage enough software developers to overcome the sheer force of development that is happening on Linux. Linux development is accelerating while Windows development is slowing. Notice how Linux is making big leaps in new functionality while Windows is just adding window dressing here and there. The juggernaut will not be stopped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/08/2009
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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You might be right about the long run, but I remember thinking the same thing about 10 years ago. But then trying to develop a windowed app in Linux?
Well, you got the X-Windows system but then you have to choose a windowing system to sit on top of that and at the time the only really solid one was Mosaic--which cost $2K/year to license--and Codewarrior was the only all in one development environment. And to top it off, the documentation suckked big time for Linux.

On the other hand, Visual Studio 2003 and 2005 are both great. Maybe there are better tools in Linux now and if there are I'll take a look, but development tools is one area MS has done better than anyone else, err, once they killed off Borland, that is;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

VS 2003 and 2005 are great?!?!?! OMFG! What nightmares! Do you work with programs more than a few lines long? The very worst part about windows is that the development tools are just beyond horrible

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/08/2009
- Bogey907 I'm a Fan of Bogey907 16 fans permalink
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Look at eclipse CDT for Linux development.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

You really have no idea what happens on the server. Big corporations have humongous databases that will only run on huge iron from Sun and IBM. These databases are fronted by equally huge application servers running Java. These are the web apps that you see when you log into your stock broker or your bank. This is an enormous important business, and it is ruled by Java and Linux.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 07/08/2009
- rbndc I'm a Fan of rbndc 19 fans permalink
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There are many options for developing Linux desktop apps that don't require X-Windows (and did you mean Motif? The Mosaic I know about was a web browser).

With the 2 major desktop environments, KDE and Gnome, you have Qt and GTK+ available, and they have GUI creation tools similar to Visual Studio and Apple's Interface Builder. If you dislike or don't know C or C++ programming, they have wrappers for many other languages, like Python and Ruby.

Of course, there is also Java, with Swing or SWT, using Eclipse as your IDE. Netbeans has its own GUI builder, Matisse.

I've worked mostly in the Linux and Open Source world most of my career, and when I had to recently dabble in Microsoft land, with MSDN help, I was quickly frustrated by how much harder it was to find answers to my questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 07/08/2009
- dnddays I'm a Fan of dnddays 6 fans permalink
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MS has been thinking in the long run, which is why they created Silverlight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

You mean they got jealous of Adobe and Flash, so they decided to clone it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 07/08/2009
- MaxPowerXP I'm a Fan of MaxPowerXP 8 fans permalink

16 years of "big leaps" and still not ready for anyone's desktop except for those with a whole lot of time to spend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

I run Linux precisely because I don't have a lot of time to spend playing nursemaid to my computer. I install and get to work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Linux installs fast, and updates nearly every App I use automatically with the system. I have found Linux faster and easier to use, but I get this same argument from some of the older Bench Techs who have not even tried Linux in years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/08/2009
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I think that saying MS is doomed is a bit strong. Regardless of the amount of programmers working on rojects MS also has the might of money which in turn leads to financing advertising and don't forget that most people buy or use products based on brand. MS is a Giant in the table of brands and will no doubt be here for a very long time indeed. Yes Linux is making big leaps but MS do not always tell us what they are doing and like many big companies like Intel, AMD, Dell, Acer etc they have their peeks and troughs throughout the timeline of their business life. MS has been up and down like a yoyo with the OS's to date but remember that Windows 7 is good, no denying it and I see that the Basic is a mere 50 USD. That's cheaper than previous versions of Windows and by far the very best to date. On a final note, MS doesn't just make the GUI different and have many years experience in Embedded Systems also. Perhaps it will be a juggernaught race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 07/09/2009
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THE FUTURE IS OPEN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 07/08/2009
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 48 fans permalink
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That's the theory, yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 07/08/2009
- NHBill I'm a Fan of NHBill 19 fans permalink
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if and only if open is secure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Do you know the meaning of the word "theory"? Please don't abuse it. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/08/2009
- Godweiser I'm a Fan of Godweiser 269 fans permalink
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Stand by, a mysterious army of malevolent robots is going to invade Google headquarters. It will be merely a coincidence that Google was competing with Microsoft over the OS monopoly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 07/08/2009

If you've ever used a mac, you know there's no monopoly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

"Monopoly" is a legal term. Microsoft has been found guilty of "monopoly". They were convicted under the Clinton admin, but sentenced under the Bush admin, which let them slide. Look up the findings-of-fact document from the court. Very interesting reading.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 07/08/2009
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Yeah, I have used a Mac...and I hated it....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 07/08/2009

bah, the googlebots will easily defeat any bug ridden and defective robots sent by microsquat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 07/09/2009
- Big0725 I'm a Fan of Big0725 23 fans permalink
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I do 3/4 of my work with my Google G1 phone. I have an app to read .pdf files and an app to read and modify MS Office files. And when a good 3G or wireless network signal is available, I can surf just fine. I haven't even skimmed the surface with all the apps made for Andriod yet. The Thing That Ate Seattle is in for a run for their money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

gotta love it. I wish I could work on such a small device. I need 8 cores, 32 Gb of RAM, and 1.5Tb of disk to do my job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Izzat a computer or a spaceship you are talking about there? YOW!

Have Fun!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 07/08/2009
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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So you either model nuclear explosions at the molecular level or you are a gamer with a decent machine;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 07/08/2009
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 48 fans permalink
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Quit throwing hardware at the problem! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/08/2009

I miss pencil and paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Really? I still have mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/08/2009
- eMJayy I'm a Fan of eMJayy 9 fans permalink
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I'd miss the Amazon rainforest more...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/08/2009
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+1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

The engineers who designed your computer went through a lot of pencils

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 07/08/2009
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 48 fans permalink
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They're still there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/08/2009
- RuWii I'm a Fan of RuWii 20 fans permalink
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Don't feel guilty. That was torn down to make room for cattle farms (for our fast food joints) and all the sugar cane they use to make ethanol with now. Not so much for paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 07/08/2009
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really - i can hardly even write my name anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/08/2009
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 67 fans permalink

I miss stone tablets and papyrus and carving on the wall of my cave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 07/08/2009
- iblogleft I'm a Fan of iblogleft 87 fans permalink
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Been using Chrome since beta, love it.

There is a larger reason to have more than one good OS, security.

The more diverse the operating systems, the harder (and more code) the virus creation takes, and the less likelihood there is of massive damage.

I am MS trained and certified, and support much of what they do, but I never said competition was bad :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/08/2009
- mero909 I'm a Fan of mero909 48 fans permalink
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QFE

I'm a Google Chrome browser user, but I am failing to see how it will translate to an OS. This web-based OS approach is leaving me a bit cold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 07/08/2009
- RuWii I'm a Fan of RuWii 20 fans permalink
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The theory is kind of old. Netscape was working on something like this which is what prompted MS to create Explorer and to mess with HTML standards. M$ always understood that the browser was a big threat to an OS and could damage their monopoly.

The web browser already is an OS of sorts if you look at it the right way. Plug-ins and embedded media are running in the browser, not the OS, you can easily build on that to include all sorts of applications. It's already possible to play games online in your browser without having to download them - and I'm talking about FPS games not just casual puzzlers. That's the sort of thing that gives MicroSoft nightmares.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/08/2009
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Vista was a bad mistake by Microsoft whereas Windows Seven is great, it's lighter, faster, useable, and less cumbersome, even works on Netbooks. How do I know? I have been evaluating it since Beta one and now RC1 with all the updates - oh and that's been several months without any antivirus running.
Google are a great outfit with some of the best minds on the planet working there. The problem is with OS's it's a bit like trying to invent a new letter of the alphabet. MS has owned the PC market OS business for 20 years plus, a bit like owning the alphabet. Even when they screw up (Millennium Edition, Vista) people STILL go back to them for more of a beating and for those crazy enough - even try to call their never ending, non-human "support teams".
I for one have a great belief in Google and anyone out there who has tried Google Chrome Browser will know that it's based on MAC's Safari and runs like a dream, faster that IE, Firefox, and Opera etc.
I have more to say but this is limited
Good Luck Google, I can’t wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

You still can't delete or modify an open file on Windows, despite years and years of development. It's the most simple and basic thing in the whole world. Look up "POSIX file system semantics" to see how it's supposed to be done. This one particular aspect of Windows has caused untold thousands of years of collective head-banging by software developers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 07/08/2009
- eMJayy I'm a Fan of eMJayy 9 fans permalink
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Actually, Chrome's javascript engine is based on Webkit, which Apple developed from Open sourced code that they got from the developers of the KDE project for Linux. Apple took the code in new directions, but most of the work on the code is actually not done by Apple. Both Apple and Google are now taking the open-sourced code and using it in their browsers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 07/08/2009
- spyguy68 I'm a Fan of spyguy68 5 fans permalink

It appears that the writers of this article and most of the posters need a little education about the capabilities of netbooks.

- The Atom processor is a single core processor that runs at over 1.6 GHz and has the same capabilities as Pentium 4 but uses much less power. That is, it is more than capable of running Win Vista but no one wants to. It will have no problem running Win 7.

- Most netbooks use the i945G chipset which support up to 4 GB of 1066/DDR2-667 memory. The i945G chipset is certified for both Win Vista and Win 7. Note that most netbooks come with only 1 GB because of MS rules, not because of any technical issue.

- Most netbooks come with 160 GB serial ATA hard drives, more than adequate to run Windows Vista and Win 7.

Basically, the ONLY differences between a netbook and laptop are the screen size and the price!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Thank you.

We also need to point out that the hardware maker is a separate issue from the Operating System(s) loaded on any machine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Except that Macs and many PCs come with hardware devices that can be used to restrict the software running on them. So far they are domant, but they can be switched on with a software upgrade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/08/2009
- ecotopian I'm a Fan of ecotopian 15 fans permalink
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Uh, no. Many laptops have dual core processors in them which make them far faster than any netbook. Also, most netbooks use Windows XP or Linux OS. Yes, some do have Vista, but most of them don't. Netbooks aren't designed to compete with laptops. They are their own niche. They are designed to surf the web and do email Most, if not all, have no CD-ROM/DVD drive. If you want to to watch a movie on it, you need an external drive.

You are not getting a cheap laptop when you buy a netbook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Funny, the new netbooks have pretty much the same capabilities as my 2002 laptop, which I still use every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/08/2009
- spyguy68 I'm a Fan of spyguy68 5 fans permalink

Since most desktop apps are single threaded, having multicores on a personal system doesn't really improve performance all that much. Not only that but each of those cores in a multicore CPU generally runs at only about 1 GHz (or less in some cases!).

Since rewriting software introduces zillions of bugs, most of the desktop apps vendors will never re-write their apps to be fully multi-threaded to take advantage of the multicores and multi-threaded OSes (all three are).

As for competition, the netbooks are very much designed to compete with laptops, just ask the folks at Asus, HP, Dell, etc that sell them (who BTW also sell laptops).

As for watching a movie on a netbook, no problem, the hardware and OS handle it just fine. I copy DVDs onto an 8 GB flash stick and off I go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 07/08/2009
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A cheap laptop is way too big. When I got my netbook, I was originally planning to purchase a Kindle for reading books. But I wanted to be able to edit them too (I have many that I have scanned and OCRd and I like to correct the text as I read -- I prefer to read on a computer screen due to eyesight issues). But then I came across a netbook at Costco and looked them up on Amazon. Netbooks are small, light laptops. And for me at least they compete with both laptops and limited devices such as the Kindle and PDAs. I have the best of both worlds with my netbook.

And DVDs are on the way out as a way to watch movies. Internet viewing is too prone to delays and slowdowns, so right now, I rip the movies I buy so I can just put the files on my computer and not have to carry around or store the physical disk.

(and no, I don't traffic in pirated books or dvds, the OCR and ripping are for my use only)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/08/2009
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And they don't have a cd/dvd player/recorder, PCMCIA, or a floppy disk drive (yah, I know, most new laptops don't support floppy drives anymore anyway).

I have an ACER netbook and I love it. I've had a little bit of adjustment figuring out how to install things (I don't have an external cd/dvd and don't really want to spend the extra money to get one). If thumb drives could be made easily bootable, I'd be fine...

And I agree, I certainly wouldn't call it "less powerful."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 07/08/2009
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Agree on most of that, however... why should us (end users) have to pay the extra hardware costs just to run MS OS and Apps (4GB RAM - 160 GB Old Hat Hard Disk). That's simply cruel. I love the idea that Google, for whatever reason is creating something (yes OK it is not original but it is FREE) a new OS (yes, again FREE based on Open Source) which does NOT require the additional RAM and real hard disk (unlike the original ASUS netbook which has 4GB Solid State HDD) to run and swap file for Windows XP, Vista, 7. And please don't get me wrong, I am a keen fan of XP and 7 (actually 7 is by far the best thing MS has done to date). BUT, I don't want to keep all my important stuff on a mechanical hard disk which will fail sometime when I least need it to and forgot to back up my system and important files. CLOUD, Thin Client. It is the future and it is happening regardless of what we say.

BTW has anyone else tried MS Office 10 yet? DO SO, it is absolutlely fantastic. They seem to have added Silverlight Transition elements to Powerpoint 10 which are so smoothe.

Last words. P4 Chip was superb, single core and ran like a beast if you clocked it up a bit. Atom is a bit more than the simplified version of tech you provided but that's not the issue here.

Thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 07/08/2009
- 3dtrix I'm a Fan of 3dtrix 220 fans permalink

Anyone who knows the evolution from DOS to Windows knows why Microsoft will NEVER be virus-free - that they will be issuing patches and fixes unto eternity...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
- spyguy68 I'm a Fan of spyguy68 5 fans permalink

There is NO DOS in the Windows NT family.

Win NT was written from the ground up to use all the knowledge that had been learned form all the previous OS, including Unix.

The main reason that Windows has so many security problems is the the same reason Willy Sutton robbed banks - that is where the money is.

Both MacOS and Linux have well documented security holes but no one exploits them because there is no money in it. If Linux or MacOS every have enough market share, they will be just as vulnerable. Note that one of the earliest virus actually hit Unix systems, NOT Windows!.

BTW - MS is addressing the security holes with Win 7 by eliminating a lot of the functions that supported obsolete, poorly written applications. MS often get blamed for problem that Apps vendors cause.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

Every version of Windows, even the ones derived from VMS, have CP/M underpinnings for the file system interface. That's why Windows still has drive letters, and it's why you can't delete a file on Windows if it is open. It's crude junk from the 70's. Microsoft can't fix it because too many programs rely on this broken behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/08/2009
- batbird I'm a Fan of batbird 12 fans permalink
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For all you open-marketers out there:
Competition should drive OS prices down, right? RIGHT!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/08/2009
- ssgman I'm a Fan of ssgman 8 fans permalink
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And/or drive the quality up. Windows 7 is MS's response to Google. After the unmitigated disaster that was Vista, I think (hope) MS has cut back on the crazy and wants to regroup with a solid OS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/08/2009
- Nina28 I'm a Fan of Nina28 13 fans permalink
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Good for Google. MS Explorer on the webfront has been a b@#$tch with web designers and using proprietary scripting that's not cross platform browser friendly for years now. Not to mention blocking friendly apps that allows users to enjoy the whole web experience, dampening small entrepreneurs on the rise.

I for one welcome the underdog Google and hope they kick the MS Monopoly into pieces!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/08/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 249 fans permalink
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Part I

Microsoft, Google and the rest ALL miss the point.

The AVERAGE consumer cannot keep his or her PC free from destructive worms, viruses, spyware, and so forth.

Not EVERYONE is an expert at antivirus software, nor wants to be, NOR can afford the time to be, or the $ to hire someone to keep their PC from turning into a festering mess.

So it gets slower, and slower, and slower.

You've got a PC in a house with kids who download games, music, video, etc., you';ve got an INFECTED PC.

Google, at least, by storing your email on THEIR server, prevents you from losing 100% of everything.

On a PC machine the day may come when you have no choice but to reload the OS -- and lose all your work, files, music, etc.

The solution is somewhere between Google's offering and Microsofts --- apps that either run on the web, or download a fresh copy every time you want to use them. Data that gets stored on a Memory Chip, and, if you so choose, automatically backed up to a big server in the sky -- e.g. Googlemail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

The google system will be totally open to modification by users and other developers, so it can be turned into the system that you describe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/08/2009
- Jaywalkker I'm a Fan of Jaywalkker 51 fans permalink
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Google is developing Linux?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 07/08/2009
- SeconLine I'm a Fan of SeconLine 67 fans permalink
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The AVERAGE consumer should get a mac.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/08/2009
- Tazru I'm a Fan of Tazru 64 fans permalink
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Hardware and OS questions are separate these days. It has been like that for a few years, but I'm not sure how many. The machines are capable of having several Operating Systems on them, allowing you to choose on on boot up.

The hardware manufacturer is important, not all have the same quality standards. I this area Apple has a better reputation partly because they have licensed their hardware designs to fewer companies to make.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/08/2009
- IcemanXTS I'm a Fan of IcemanXTS 4 fans permalink
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You know I always think that, but then I hold myself off from saying that because then viruses will start being made for Macs.

So I refrain from saying that to someone unless I like them. :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/08/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 249 fans permalink
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Part II

The PC it'self, the operating system, ALL of that needs to be TOTALLY invisible to the consumer, self-healing, and continually self refreshing.

I use PC Defender, a Microsoft app which, nightly scans my PC, downloads updates, and so on. It's at least a step in the right direction. Even so, I battle with new copies of Adobe Flash player that don't install correctly, a PC that slows down now and then, and other nonsense. And I'll be in the middle of my morning routine and Defender decides to launch all on its own, even though I have it set for 3am.

None of these large computer companies seem able to view PC usage and issues from the CONSUMERS point of view, although I'll give Google credit for Gmail.

And no, Microsoft, making the ONLY way I can get support for your software is OVER THE WEB isn't real great when my only means of ACCESSING the web is not working right. Idiots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/08/2009
- Budokan I'm a Fan of Budokan 222 fans permalink
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Anything that takes down Vista I'm all for.

http://kennethmarkhoover.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 07/08/2009
- rtwyatt6 I'm a Fan of rtwyatt6 52 fans permalink
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I couldn't agree more. My laptop has Vista and none of my old printers will work. They say that the drivers are already installed in Vista but it won't work. My brother has Vista and he's had numerous problems with it.

Vista is a piece of junk.

I do like the Chrome browser better than IE. Much faster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/08/2009
- Mannock I'm a Fan of Mannock 23 fans permalink
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And more straight to the point. Its bare bones look and feel is so unobtrusive. And it can't get hijacked by crap like ask.com.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 07/08/2009
- spyguy68 I'm a Fan of spyguy68 5 fans permalink

Your printers don't work because the printer maker is too lazy to re-write their driver to get rid of all the bugs they have due to poor design.

MS has been warning apps developers for over ten years that most of them were crappy programmers and that they were getting tired of getting blamed for their mistakes. Starting with Win XP, MS started removing all the stuff that they told developer to not use, thereby breaking lots of stuff. When the developers complained, MS told them to re-read the notices they receive over the last ten years.

The problem is NOT vista, but your crappy printer maker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 07/08/2009
- joeneri I'm a Fan of joeneri 10 fans permalink
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If Google and IBM were to partner in order to support a Linux distribution(s), then you'd see Microsoft go into cardiac arrest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/08/2009
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Your statement assumes that software developers will move to Linux if that partnership happens. I can tell you now, they won't for a long while (or at least until there is enough market penetration to make it economically feasible).

The variety of distros is exactly why you haven't seen Linux take off like it should have. Too many variables to consider in development of applications, and the vast majority of users hate complexity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/08/2009
- frantaylor I'm a Fan of frantaylor 22 fans permalink

If you are talking about "real" server installations, there are really only two Linux distributions: SuSE and RedHat. These two distributions are supported by every commercial software vendor that has a linux version. It is most certainly a much more simple situation than it is with Windows. There is a bewildering array of different kinds of Windows and it is a royal pain to test them all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/08/2009
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