House Dems eye surtax on wealthy for health bill

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DAVID ESPO and ERICA WERNER | 07/ 8/09 09:36 PM | AP

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Vice President Joe Biden speaks about a White House deal with hospitals to help pay for President Barack Obama's overhaul of health care, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building in Washington. At left is Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — An income tax surcharge on highly paid Americans emerged as the leading option Wednesday night as House Democrats sought ways to pay for health care legislation that President Barack Obama favors, several officials said.

As discussed in the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, the surtax would apply to individuals with adjusted gross income of more than $200,000 and couples over $250,000, they added.

In addition, key lawmakers are expected to call for a tax or fee equal to a percentage of a worker's salary on employers who do not offer health benefits.

Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., a member of the panel, said the proposed surtax on high-income taxpayers appealed to her and others as a way to avoid a "nickel-and-dime" approach involving numerous smaller tax increases. She added that other earlier options had fallen away, including an increase in the payroll tax.

Berkley and others cautioned that no final decisions have been made, either by the tax-writing committee or by the Democratic leadership, which hopes to have legislation drafted by Friday and through the House by month's end.

Aside from Berkley, officials discussed the private discussions only on condition of anonymity.

The developments stood in contrast to the Senate, where Democrats edged away from their goal of passing ambitious health care legislation by early August amid heightening partisan controversy over tax increases and a proposed new government role in providing insurance to consumers.

"I think the ultimate goal is to have a bill by the end of this year" that is signed into law by the president, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in an interview with The Associated Press. He said Democrats would make "every effort to stick to the timetable" that included initial Senate action by August.

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Separately, Republicans who met with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he expressed flexibility on the timetable, indicating he was willing to allow more time before legislation is brought to the floor.

The evident slippage coincided with a formal announcement that the nation's hospitals had agreed to give up $155 billion in projected Medicare and Medicaid payments over the next decade, money than can help defray the cost of the legislation the administration wants.

"Folks, reform is coming. It is on track," Biden said at the White House, urging the Senate to enact legislation by the now-imperiled August goal.

Any failure to meet the goal would be a setback _ but not necessarily a fatal one _ for Obama's attempt to win legislation this year that both slows the growth in health care costs and extends coverage to nearly 50 million Americans who now lack it.

Senior administration officials, including White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, met with Democrats on the Ways and Means Committee as lawmakers narrowed their options.

Officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said other, smaller tax options remained possibilities, depending on the overall cost of the legislation. A few lawmakers are still seeking a tax on soft drinks in the private discussions, and there has been discussion of removing the current tax break that drug companies receive for advertising.

The White House expressed its support for another part of the emerging House legislation, noting that the Congressional Budget Office had said planned changes to Medicare would save more than $500 billion over 10 years. A significant part of that money would come from the steep reduction in subsidies paid to insurance companies that offer private Medicare coverage.

But in a letter to key committee chairmen, Budget Director Peter Orszag urged additional cuts in projected Medicare and Medicaid spending, as well as consideration of a plan to give an independent commission a greater role in setting future payments rates for Medicare health care providers.

Controversy dogged efforts in the House, as well, when Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said he had been assured by the administration that it was not bound by an $80 billion agreement with the pharmaceutical industry that Obama announced with fanfare at the White House last month.

Waxman, chairman of one of three committees with responsibility for the House legislation, did not say if the same were true of the deal with hospitals. He was interviewed by National Journal magazine.

Across the Capitol, it seemed clear the drive to enact health care legislation was entering a new phase in the Senate, where attention has largely been focused for months on efforts by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., to forge a bipartisan agreement within the Finance Committee he chairs.

On Tuesday, the Senate Democratic leadership made it clear it viewed a proposed tax on certain health care benefits as unacceptable, at the same time it relayed word that it favors allowing the government to sell insurance to consumers.

Both those positions appeared to undercut much of the work Baucus has been doing. He has said for weeks that any legislation would call for a tax on certain health care benefits, and Republicans are strongly opposed to the idea of government intervention in the private insurance industry.

Baucus told reporters during the day he was "very sensitive to the various concerns that senators have" on taxing benefits, yet added that "by far a better approach is a bipartisan approach."

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Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar and Alan Fram contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — An income tax surcharge on highly paid Americans emerged as the leading option Wednesday night as House Democrats sought ways to pay for health care legislation that President Barac...
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- 2scent I'm a Fan of 2scent 3 fans permalink
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End all taxes on income. Sales taxes make the most sense because then the tax would be on what you buy with all that money you earn. Stands to reason the wealthy can afford more and, therefore, spend more. Sin taxes are great too. Booze, smokes, sex, gambling what have you. You play, you pay. If people were taxed on only what they spend, I think Americans would spend less and save more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 07/13/2009
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 35 fans permalink

Why we have to raise a nickel more in taxes when we already have a Trillion of waste in the system and pay over twice what other large countries pay with better outcomes shows how perverse the rhetoric is.

The REAL bipartisan compromise is a No Tax Public Option.

Anything less bankrupts the country faster or keeps people uninsured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 07/11/2009
- ekrub I'm a Fan of ekrub 2 fans permalink
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This suits me right down to the ground. The majority of us are anemic from enduring eight years of the bloodsucking rich. They're an affliction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 07/09/2009
- starkcr31 I'm a Fan of starkcr31 14 fans permalink
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Yeah screw those people that worked hard and achieved. B*stards!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/13/2009
- KarenT I'm a Fan of KarenT 96 fans permalink

Rallie for health care reform. I received this from Organizing for America. Please pass on to as many people and get involved:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hccanvassattend?zip=48009

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/09/2009
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Making sure every American has access to high quality leaf pick-up is one of the most important challenges of our time. The number of leaf encumbered Americans is growing, lawn decay is skyrocketing, and more people are being denied leaf pick-up every day. A moral imperative by any measure, a better system is also essential to rebuilding our economy -- we want to make leaf pick-up work for people and businesses, not just for lawn care conglomerates and the wealthy.

YES WE CAN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 07/09/2009
- blues101 I'm a Fan of blues101 37 fans permalink
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What on earth (or your planet) are you babbling about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/09/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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I remember a couple months ago that Obama was going to catch all those tax cheats (UBS) and bring them to justice and the money brought home would have been the way to pay for single payer.

What happened? Another swept under the rug. Now he knows we cant pay so we get a few shallow promises of adjustments. Everyone may get coverage but denials of payment will continue and rates will be the burden on wages at a higher rate. It has been predicted that status quo, 50% or your wage will soon go to health care costs. They should re phrase that. Healthcare insurance costs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 07/09/2009
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Hope and Change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 07/09/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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It is very difficult to remain focused when change is more of the same. I voted strongly for O but I do hold him accountable for his actions. We didnt hold Congress and Bush accountable but we must Obama and also our present Congress. We cant survive any other way much longer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 07/09/2009
- starkcr31 I'm a Fan of starkcr31 14 fans permalink
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He would have to arrest half his cabinet, that's what happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/13/2009
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Best idea I've heard in a very (8 years) time. Hit them hard and hit them often. The wealthy have had a free ride for far too long. About $11.4 trillion dollars too long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/09/2009
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Yeah, I say we tax them at, oh, let's see,

EIGHTY PERCENT! Yeah, oh, you don't like that? Okay, let's make it NINETY PERCENT! Ha ha! That'll teach them to be productive citizens! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/09/2009
- blues101 I'm a Fan of blues101 37 fans permalink
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Yep, and boohoo for them, it's about time. You know that somehow they'll be able to take a tax break on the tax hit anyway or just hide some more of their other gains offshore or whatever - don't be crybabies rich folx, it has already hurt us more than it will hurt you. Like you often tell us, struggles build character, we wouldn't want to keep you from experiencing some of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 07/09/2009
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Sur-prise sur-prise!

Tax the rich
(medicate) feed the poor
'til there are no
rich no more

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/09/2009

Tax the well-off to help pay for health care? What a novel concept. Maybe Berkley visited a civilized country and stole the idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 07/09/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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The richest 1% own more than a third of the country's wealth.

And can afford the help the least of their fellow Americans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 07/09/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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The richest 5% own more than a 1/2 of the country's wealth.

More than the other 95% combined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 07/09/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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Prov. 31:8ff. [Commandment to kings.] Open your mouth for the dumb, for the rights of all the unfortunate. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 07/09/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 34 fans permalink

Asked why he robbed banks, the thief said, "That's where the money is."

Taxes are similarly decided. However, just as the bank is insured, the economy adjusts to make taxes more equitable. Taxing the poor means raising their wages to cover the tax. Without the wage increase, they simply don't have the money to cover the tax. When the wealthy are taxed, they can take the money out of their income that was increased as the workers, liberated from the tax, got by on less. So, the wealthy become the nation's tax collectors. The IRS can better police and audit a million dollar payment than if they had to chase workers around and take 50c from each wallet.

People will be happy to make an affordable payment to their health care -- as compared to current practice where health care is a major cause of bankruptcies and fiscal ruin. Co pays can be regarded as taxes in a universal single payer system and have a certain justice. I think the French have a $17 co pay for doctor visits. This also covers the necessary subsequent treatment. The flat sum is low enough for all and would involve a receipt as might be useful in identification for any follow up or research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 07/09/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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Is. 58:10. "And if you give yourself to the hungry, and satisfy the desire of the afflicted, then your light will rise in darkness, and your gloom will become like midday. And the LORD will continually guide you, and satisfy your desire in scorched places, and give strength to your bones; and you will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water whose waters do not fail."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 07/09/2009
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Matt 25:31-40. “Then he (the Son of Man at the Last Jdgement) will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 07/09/2009

What we ultimately need is an overhaul of the health system as it stands. Nationalized health care won't solve all problems, but it is at least a step in the right direction for a truly democratic nation. As someone who pursued her graduate education in England, I found it sadly ironic to procure better medical treatment with less fuss and expense abroad.

IMO, privatization and health insurers and the culture of greed ("250K is not enough") are to blame for our abysmal health care. With every passing year, they want more and more while decent health care is further placed out of the reach of the poor and even middle classes: health expenses are indeed y to blame for a number of bankruptcies today amongst the latter. And yes, the culture of greed does ultimately affect the quality of health care: instead of physicians who are truly interested in helping others, there are only more and more who are interested in filling their pockets: I have personally witnessed this myself when doctors are increasingly giving wrong diagnoses while treating their patients with patent indifference. (Hate to say it, but most of the caring ones have retired!) This is why the health industry has deteriorated so much over the last 3 decades: diminishing responsibility, yet disproportionate arrogance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 07/09/2009
- 2scent I'm a Fan of 2scent 3 fans permalink
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What we need is to walk our talk. We pride ourselves on being a benevolent country, yet, we still debate whether health care, housing, and food are basic necessities. Why do we have homelessness? Why do we children going to school each day hungry? Why must those on a fixed income have to choose between eating or medication? Why are the banks allowed to foreclose on people they knew couldn't pay the mortgage? Why is our hard earned dollars not in our pockets, but those of the executives like Goldman Sachs? Why are the sick being turned out of nursing facilities when their insurance benefits run dry? Why are women turning to prostitution to support themselves in these tough economic times? Why, why, why is this happening in the greatest democracy on the planet? Why is the bottom line more important that people at the bottom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 07/13/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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Officially launched on April 5, 2004, The Greatest Canadian was a television program series by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) to determine who is considered to be the greatest Canadian of all time, at least among those who watched and participated in the program. The project was inspired by the BBC series Great Britons.
Radio-Canada, the CBC's French-language arm, was not involved in The Greatest Canadian project, reducing the input of Canada's French-Canadian minority over the results. The CBC did make its Web site available in French, however.
The "Greatest Canadian" was not decided by a simple popular poll, but was instead chosen through a two-step voting process.
On October 17, 2004 the CBC aired the first part of The Greatest Canadian television series. In it, the bottom 40 of the top 50 "greatest" choices were revealed, in order of popularity, determined by polls conducted by E-mail, Web site, telephone, and letter. To prevent bias during the second round of voting, the top ten nominees were presented alphabetically rather than by order of first round popularity.
This second vote was accompanied by a series of documentaries, where 10 Canadian celebrities acting as advocates each presented their case for The Greatest Canadian. Voting concluded on November 28 at midnight and the following evening, November 29, the winner was revealed to be Tommy Douglas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/09/2009
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Hey you missed making your own point. Tommy Douglas was the fellow who introduced single-payer health insurance to Canada. And he beat Wayne Grtzky for the title of Greatest Canadian!
Anyway, your point was a good one. After 40 years living under Mediare-fo­r-everyion­e, the man who introdcued it is considere the greatest hero in all f Canadian history, in a national vote. Says it al.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 07/09/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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Thanks for you view.

I wish more cannucks would write about their experiences with their HC system

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 07/09/2009
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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We needs things like they were in the good old pays.

Slavery
Child labor
No 40 hour work week
Women cant vote
No job safety requirements
And John D handing out dimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 07/09/2009
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 34 fans permalink

Dimes were real silver a hundred years ago. One covered a beer and a sandwich in a working class bar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 07/09/2009
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