South Waziristan: Suspected US Drones Kill At Least 45 In Pakistan

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CHRIS BRUMMITT | 07/ 8/09 04:22 PM | AP

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ISLAMABAD — Suspected U.S. unmanned aircraft launched two attacks against militants loyal to the head of the Pakistani Taliban on Wednesday, killing at least 45 in the latest in a barrage of strikes against a group also being targeted by the Pakistani military, intelligence officials said.

The convergence of U.S. and Pakistani interests in the South Waziristan tribal region suggests the two uneasy allies were cooperating in the strikes, making it harder for Islamabad to protest them publicly as it has in the past.

The army denied signing off on the attacks and insisted they were hurting its campaign against Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud by alienating local tribes it is trying to enlist in the fight.

Meanwhile, an army spokesman said a Pakistani jet attack wounded the local Taliban commander in the scenic Swat Valley elsewhere in the northwest. Troops have been battling militants in Swat for more than two months, an offensive that has so far failed to net any top insurgent leaders.

The mountainous border region is home to al-Qaida and Taliban leaders who plot attacks in Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan, which is witnessing an unprecedented level of violence against U.S. and NATO troops.

South Waziristan is the stronghold of Mehsud and his followers, whom the government blames for more than 90 percent of the suicide bombings in Pakistan in recent years. The U.S. State Department says Mehsud is a key al-Qaida facilitator in the region.

Suspected American drones have carried out more than 45 attacks in the region since last August. Although most have targeted foreign al-Qaida militants and those accused of violence in Afghanistan, increasingly they are aimed at the Mehsud network.

The first strike Wednesday took place before dawn. Six missiles were fired at a mountaintop training camp in the Karwan Manza area of South Waziristan, killing 10 militants, Pakistani intelligence officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to media.

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Hours later, 12 miles to the east, missiles hit four vehicles carrying Taliban militants, killing at least 35, including a key Taliban commander, one intelligence official said. Another said 50 were killed.

Independent verification of the targets and casualties was not possible because the region is remote, dangerous and largely inaccessible to journalists. U.S. and Pakistani officials do not publicly comment on such strikes.

On Tuesday, a suspected U.S. missile attack killed 12 militants in South Waziristan, including five foreigners, according to intelligence officials. Another recent strike killed up to 80 insurgents attending a funeral.

The timing is significant because Pakistan's military is also carrying out bombing runs and firing mortar rounds at militant targets in the region as part of efforts to kill or capture Mehsud and his followers. It says it plans to launch a large offensive there soon.

The government routinely protests suspected U.S. missile strikes as violations of Pakistani sovereignty and has publicly asked the U.S. to give it technology to launch its own attacks. But many analysts suspect the government _ which has received billions of dollars a year from the U.S. since 2001 _ supports the strikes, especially those against Mehsud and his Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan.

"They are decrying them on one hand and aiding and abetting them on the other," said Shuja Nawaz, director of the U.S.-based Atlantic Council. "It is helpful for the Pakistanis when the TTP is being targeted. There is obviously much better coordination now."

Speaking after Tuesday's attack, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas insisted the U.S. help was unwelcome and alienated local tribes it wanted to enlist in the fight against Mehsud.

The United States has been trying to get Pakistan's military to crack down on militants in the border area since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, but the country's past nurturing of militants to use as proxies in Afghanistan and Pakistan has complicated those efforts.

The Swat offensive began after militants there violated a peace deal with the government and moved into regions close to the capital, Islamabad. The army claims to have nearly cleared the valley of insurgents, killing more than 1,500.

Abbas told a news conference Wednesday that according to "credible information," the leader of the Swat Taliban, Maulana Fazlullah, was wounded in a recent airstrike. Fazlullah's capture or killing would be a major symbolic victory for the army and could ease the fears of some 2 million residents who fled the valley and surrounding districts and have yet to return.

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Associated Press writers Munir Ahmad, Ishtiaq Mahsud and Hussain Afzal contributed to this report from Islamabad, Dera Ismail Khan and Parachinar.

ISLAMABAD — Suspected U.S. unmanned aircraft launched two attacks against militants loyal to the head of the Pakistani Taliban on Wednesday, killing at least 45 in the latest in a barrage of str...
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- motoboy I'm a Fan of motoboy 18 fans permalink
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Perpetual war for perpetual prosperity. It's what empires do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 07/08/2009
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Yep; and then they implode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 07/08/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 24 fans permalink

Yep!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 07/08/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 60 fans permalink
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I love those drones. We kill these murderous terrorists and don't have to send our finest into tribal areas and hunt them down. I wish we could have done this in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 07/08/2009

So you love being a coward?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 07/08/2009
- DustinTime I'm a Fan of DustinTime 65 fans permalink

Using billion dollar flying robots to kill people across the world to, ahem, protect the United States.

Is that what Jefferson envisioned?

How did this country go so wrong?

How many 9/11 hijackers were from Afghanistan? Exactly zero.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 07/08/2009
- 43P04T34 I'm a Fan of 43P04T34 12 fans permalink

My money says that there will be SERIOUS blowback from this new foreign policy of routinely killing dozens of people in other countries with unmanned bombers directed by kids who think they are playing some kind of video game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 07/08/2009

just in on msnbc "boehner says its hard for palin" now is that news or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 07/08/2009
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boehner has a b0ner for Palin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 07/08/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 41 fans permalink
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it is ?
or he is ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 07/08/2009

it is and i bet he does

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/08/2009
- flamflurm I'm a Fan of flamflurm 50 fans permalink
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hilarious

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 07/08/2009
- abouttime I'm a Fan of abouttime 24 fans permalink

What a nightmare Obama has created!
Who the heck does he think he is killing?
He is out of control of the american people and sold out lock, stock and barrel to the International War Incorporated!
BLOOD is flowing for power and money!
What a tremendous waste!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 07/08/2009
- birchtree3 I'm a Fan of birchtree3 22 fans permalink

What I don't get is how all fired up and supportive many of these people were when we went to w a r in Iraq and now that the problem is being dealt with in Pakistan (by the Obama administration), they are all bleeding heart and critical. The hypocrisy is astounding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 07/08/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 41 fans permalink
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They have all signed up for Sarah Palin's Cut and Run party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 07/08/2009
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The people of Pakistan don't think that the U.S. is "dealing with the problem." The majority of Pakistanis think the United States IS the problem.

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/2/headlines#10

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/08/2009
- birchtree3 I'm a Fan of birchtree3 22 fans permalink

That may be but that is off topic. I am a pacifist and I can't stand that we are involved in this mess in the Middle East and elsewhere. I also can't stand the hypocrisy of some of the posts and the fact that people don't even inform themselves before they post. People just want to find and lay blame and they do it without getting facts or remembering the past or engaging their brains before they engage their mouths. It is SO counterproductive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 07/08/2009
- bilmardre I'm a Fan of bilmardre 41 fans permalink

They only support killing people who didn't attack us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 07/08/2009
- smchp I'm a Fan of smchp 78 fans permalink
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Ignore them. They are looking for ANY reason and any consipiracy to gather around. If it's not this or the birth certificate or the Dijon mustard it would be something. THEY GOT NOTHING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 07/08/2009
- wrender I'm a Fan of wrender 24 fans permalink
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Reading your posts, you have nothing. Not a single thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 07/08/2009

There is no hypocrisy. I just find it interesting that when drones were hitting targets in Pakistan, Bush was a war criminal. Now its all fine and dandy. That is the hypocrisy right there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 07/08/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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I hope that no innocent people were k!lled in these strikes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/08/2009
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Unlikely. B0mbs don't discriminate between the good and the bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/08/2009
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so true

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 07/08/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1681 fans permalink
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They say that they hit a training camp, and some vehicles. If true, there is less of a chance that innocents got k!lled. Normal people in that part of the world rarely have vehicles, unless it was a bus, which are also very few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 07/08/2009
- Loculi I'm a Fan of Loculi 2 fans permalink
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Of course, no one wants to see innocent people killed. On the other hand, if you're rolling around in a Taliban commander's motorcade, it's unlikely you're just there for the scenery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 07/08/2009
- Dennis60 I'm a Fan of Dennis60 19 fans permalink

Honestly people, what the hell did you think was going to happen? It makes absolutely no sense to try and capture these people anymore. This is the only option you have left the military. So now dear emphatic people, look at your selves in the mirror.

Hopefully you can take some comfort in knowing that the taliban killed today subjugate, torture, mutilate woman just for being, well woman. They torture, mutilate and kill men just on a rumor of homosexuality. And they will slit your throats in a heartbeat for not believing. Take comfort from your pitiful soapboxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 07/08/2009

Oh yeah, and the Russians were a big threat to us back in the day. Oh and the Communists want to kill your children. Oh and African Americans are evil and need to be kept away from the whites.

Over and over again we are fed fears that do not exist. Wake up already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 07/08/2009
- birchtree3 I'm a Fan of birchtree3 22 fans permalink

Nowhere in the article does it say there were civilian casualties. Do people actually read these articles before they post or do they just read the headline and draw conclusions. READ the article first, then you can make an informed post that is not just partisan soundbite rhetoric.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/08/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 41 fans permalink
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uh, yeah !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 07/08/2009
- punk I'm a Fan of punk 63 fans permalink
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Newspaper articles also claimed Saddam had WMD. No civilian casualties, MY A.S.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 07/08/2009
- TimeToPunt I'm a Fan of TimeToPunt 43 fans permalink
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How many civilians were taken out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 07/08/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 41 fans permalink
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I think that newspapers "reported" that Bush Administration officials "claimed that Saddam
had WMD".

See the distinction ? Between reporting and claiming ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 07/08/2009
- cruzy I'm a Fan of cruzy 9 fans permalink

The news article makes no claim that there were no civilian causalities. It's quite possible there were.

There has never been any fight/military action free of civilian causalities. That is what happens when people battle---some people die, and not all of them are just solidiers or some other type of combatants. Therefore, people try to avoid fighting when possible, but sometimes two sides fail to reach a peaceful resolution. When fighting occurs; hopefully, steps are taken to reduce all causalities, including civilian causalities, but there is no way to have casualty-free combat, nor is there any way to have military combat free from civilian injuries. That's how it goes. That's the harsh reality.

Hopefully, the central government of Pakistan will regain control of the outlying areas of the country soon, and the military efforts can be wrapped up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 07/08/2009
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WHat are you going to say about Big Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 07/08/2009
- cheforacle I'm a Fan of cheforacle 42 fans permalink
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Then nothing that you personally read has credibility so how can you comment if everything you read is unreliable. Shouldn't you therefore only comment on things you see with your own two eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 07/08/2009
- Dennis60 I'm a Fan of Dennis60 19 fans permalink

Birchtree, you just don't seem to understand. Here at the Huff, the facts must conform to the dogma, if they don't, then just make up the facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/08/2009
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So you're automatically assuming that all 45 dead were known terrorists? How do you know that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 41 fans permalink
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you are assuming otherwise ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 07/08/2009

More murderers making more money than me... figures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/08/2009

I don't buy the argument that the drone attacks in Pakistan are the problem. The real history is with creepy Friedmanite economic policies that punish the poor while allowing the wealth-gap to grow into a chasm. This is the overwhelming reality in which people live in the developing world, and which makes the issue of drone attacks appear much greater and more of an opportunity for apocalyptic religious groups like the Taliban. wduane

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/08/2009

Wow, Obama's poll numbers WAY down in Rasmussen and Gallup Polls!!!! Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/08/2009
- TimeToPunt I'm a Fan of TimeToPunt 43 fans permalink
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Preaching from the poll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 07/08/2009

Not at all, just simply making an observation that should concern Obama...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/08/2009
- flydoghead I'm a Fan of flydoghead 41 fans permalink
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when did I hear that said repeatedly ?
oh yeah, right before he won the election.

lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 07/08/2009

Uh, no you didn't... There wasn't a doubt that the Messiah was going to win that election from the first week of the September through the election...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 07/08/2009
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I'll bet you're a fan of Frank Luntz's school of bent numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 07/08/2009
- smchp I'm a Fan of smchp 78 fans permalink
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His numbers are much higher than the last 4 prez's at this time in their term. Numbers always go down. It's called spending your political capital. Google it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 07/08/2009
- DaleR I'm a Fan of DaleR 21 fans permalink

War crimes for??? For the US Army supporting an allie in fighting a war that Bush started?? Killing militant combatants??

It is mor 0nic to compare the army executing localized attacks in an existing war against military targets (antonymous from executive decision) vs Bush starting an unnecessary and unprovoked preemptive war resulting in needless deaths of thousands of US soldiers, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians, not to mention the thousands of US soldiers maimed and wounded.
I don"t have any patience for you right wing idi0ts any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 07/08/2009
- hark I'm a Fan of hark 136 fans permalink

Somebody please! Just surrender, so we can declare victory and go home. That's all we want - someone to declare us victorious. Taliban, al Qaeda, Pakistan, Afghanistan, anybody, just tell us we won. It's the only way we know how to stop a war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 07/08/2009
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