Blue Dog Dems Rebel On Health Care Bill

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DAVID ESPO and ERICA WERNER | July 9, 2009 11:43 PM EST | AP

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Vice President Joe Biden speaks about a White House deal with hospitals to help pay for President Barack Obama's overhaul of health care, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building in Washington. At left is Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — The drive to remake the nation's health care system suffered yet another setback in Congress on Thursday when a pivotal group of House Democrats demanded changes in legislation the leadership was drafting on a fast track.

The emerging bill "lacks a number of elements essential to preserving what works and fixing what is broken," 40 members of the Blue Dog Coalition of moderate to conservative Democrats wrote party leaders. To win their support, they said, any legislation would need to be much more aggressive in reining in health care costs as well as in addressing a disparity in Medicare payments they said adversely affects rural providers.

A group of the moderates met into early evening with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and arranged to sit down with committee chairmen on Friday to go over proposed changes. Officials said the public release of the bill, originally set for Friday, would occur no earlier than Monday.

It was the second setback in three days for President Barack Obama's top domestic priority, although it was unclear whether it would amount to anything more than a brief delay for a bill of enormous complexity and controversy.

There was upheaval earlier in the week in the Senate, where the Democratic leadership is intent on scuttling a proposed tax on health care benefits that has long been key to attempts at a bipartisan compromise. At the same time, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and others went out of their way during the day to emphasize eagerness for Republican support.

As an alternative to the benefits tax, Democrats are considering raising taxes on wealthy investors to help pay for health care legislation, along with numerous other options, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. The proposal to extend the current 1.45 percent Medicare payroll tax to capital gains earned by high-income taxpayers would bring in an estimated $100 billion over 10 years.

In the House, Hoyer sought to minimize the day's developments, which occurred as Democrats on one committee were making final decisions on provisions to pay for the legislation.

"Let me make it very clear that everybody in that room thinks we ought to pass health care reform," the Maryland Democrat said.

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One conservative Democrat, Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., said he believes no House vote should take place until September. That is well past a midsummer informal deadline set by Pelosi, D-Calif.

"I promised the president that we would have legislation out of the House before we went on an August break," Pelosi said earlier in the day. "That is still my goal."

Despite some success _ the nation's hospitals agreed to a cut of $155 billion in projected Medicare and Medicaid payments _ progress has been scant and internal differences magnified.

In general, any bill that emerges from Congress is expected to follow Obama's blueprint for reining in health care costs overall while extending coverage to 50 million who lack it.

Another objective is to make sure that insurance companies can no longer deny coverage or raise premiums to unaffordable levels to individuals with pre-existing medical conditions.

But literally hundreds of details are involved in drafting legislation, and gaining a consensus even among Democrats is proving to be remarkably _ if predictably _ difficult, despite their large majorities in both houses.

As an example, some Democrats are demanding legislation that permits the government to sell insurance in competition with private companies. Republicans overwhelmingly oppose such a plan, deeming it a stalking horse for universal government-run insurance, and many Democrats have concerns, as well.

Some Democrats prefer a plan for a nonprofit cooperative to take the place of government in competing with private companies. Others favor a government role only in cases in which consumers lack a choice in coverage.

Similarly, Democrats are divided on paying for the bill, some preferring more tax increases than others, some favoring more cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

"We've just got a lot of question and the top of the list would be how to pay for it," said Rep. Marion Berry, D-Ark., one of the Blue Dogs.

"I don't think we have significant cost-containment mechanisms in the proposal yet," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif. He said he favors provisions aimed at preventing overtreatment of patients and overpayments to doctors, hospitals and other providers.

A dispute over tax increases was at the core of upheaval in the Senate earlier in the week.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and chairman of the Finance Committee, has been working for months with Republicans in hopes of gaining support for a bipartisan bill that can command 60 votes.

Efforts to raise money to pay for subsidizing the cost of insurance had focused on a tax on health care benefits for workers with high-cost coverage provided by their employers.

Baucus and Republican supporters argued it would also have tended to reduce the cost of health care overall, as well as offset the cost of the bill. But the Democratic leadership stepped in forcefully, citing poor public polling, opposition of organized labor and concerns about taxing middle-income workers.

WASHINGTON — The drive to remake the nation's health care system suffered yet another setback in Congress on Thursday when a pivotal group of House Democrats demanded changes in legislation the ...
WASHINGTON — The drive to remake the nation's health care system suffered yet another setback in Congress on Thursday when a pivotal group of House Democrats demanded changes in legislation the ...
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- reader110 I'm a Fan of reader110 11 fans permalink

Why can't we impeach the representatives that are not representing us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/10/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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I called Rep Harman's office this morning and had a very nice and VERY encouraging conversation with her staff. They sent me the link below, stating her support for the public option. I'm really glad I called.

http://www.house.gov/list/press/ca36_harman/June10_Notrigger.shtml

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 07/10/2009
- mcamp52 I'm a Fan of mcamp52 6 fans permalink

These people are not representing the will of the people - the people that put them in office and for whom they work. This is crazy. We need drastic health care reform and s single payer system. And these guys are spending millions upon millions of dollars to convince you other wise. They are lying folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 07/10/2009
- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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In my opinion, IF the reps we elected to do the people's will wont do their job, isnt time we put such important issues such as health care , bs bailouts (on our dime ) up for a national vote ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 07/10/2009
- Golfer59 I'm a Fan of Golfer59 10 fans permalink
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NO!!! It's time we democrats start acting like the republicans and put someone up to run against the "Blue Dogs" and voter them out of office!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 07/10/2009
- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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Good luck , seems to me , we have tried that , and , it didnt work .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/10/2009
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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As someone who lives under the tyranny of California's initiative system, I would not recommend it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 07/10/2009
- econ1 I'm a Fan of econ1 8 fans permalink

With initiatives we could vote ourselves health care, mortgage relief, smaller more efficient cars, cooler climate....what is wrong with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 07/10/2009
- ladyblug I'm a Fan of ladyblug 2 fans permalink

They can't have it both ways! Blue dogs need to pick a side. Public Option Now. This is being lobbied against to the tune of 1 million a DAY. WTF- we voted for healthcare reform. I am sick to death of corporate america always winning to the tune of billions in profits and not much in investment. They invest in themselves pretty heavily though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/10/2009
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 38 fans permalink

If we go after the One Trillion of waste we CAN have a no tax public option that the blue dogs and the Left can agree upon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 07/11/2009
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AHA and other hospital groups are working the Blue Dogs HARD to try to rid the bill of a viable public plan option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 07/10/2009
- oregonrain I'm a Fan of oregonrain 13 fans permalink
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I will be most curious , to see how much pork is stuffed into the bill. Then , lets follow the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 07/10/2009
- Artos I'm a Fan of Artos 89 fans permalink

The Blue Dog Dems, Repubs in Dems clothing will be the death knell of a Public Health Plan and many Americans too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/10/2009
- ladyblug I'm a Fan of ladyblug 2 fans permalink

Your either a dem or a repub- they can't have it both ways! Make the choice you blue dog corporate whores! When will people matter more than insurance companies? WTF is wrong with you sheeple?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/10/2009

We know 70% of Americans support Health Care Reform but FoxNews uses polls from places like NewsMax.com. Please follow this link and quickly vote in the poll so we can change these skewd perceptions. Please send to a friend!!!

http://news1.newsmax.com/obama_socialist2/?PROMO_CODE=822C-1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 07/10/2009
- SD Indy I'm a Fan of SD Indy 23 fans permalink

EFF THAT! I'm NOT signing up to get their BS e-mail "alerts".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 07/10/2009
- ezeflyer I'm a Fan of ezeflyer 53 fans permalink
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Blue Dogs

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip

Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Barrow, John (GA-12)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
Bright, Bobby (AL-02)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Childers, Travis (MS-01)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Dahlkemper, Kathy (PA-03)
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
Griffith, Parker (AL-05)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD)
Hill, Baron (IN-09)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
Marshall, Jim (GA-03)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Minnick, Walt (ID-01)
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Nye, Glenn (VA-02)
Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Space, Zack (OH-18)
Tanner, John (TN-08)
Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/10/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 101 fans permalink
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I recently received an ambulance bill for $1300 to drive my son, aged four months, to the hospital that's only a few minutes from our house. Millions of Americans face the same dilemma every day. The public plan will actually give people more real freedom--the freedom not to be crippled by bankruptcy and current HMO policies. I'd like to voice my very strong support of the public plan, and I know there are millions of others like me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 07/10/2009
- flatus I'm a Fan of flatus 36 fans permalink
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Seventy percent support healthcare reform. That's EVERYBODY except the same core of diehard Bush supporters whose greatest fear is having their tax dollar support a lazy person of color. A fear so great that they are willing to let the truly needy wallow in misery or force them to lose their dignity by sticking their hand out to overwhelmed charities.

This thing should be flying through Congress. Why isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/10/2009

"Persons of colour" most certainly do NOT have a corner on laziness!!! Lazy SOBs come in ALL colours, including EVERY shade of pale! That said, this SHOULD be flying through Congress. The insurance mega-industry has its tentacles in a vice-grip around way too many politicians, the pharmaceutical companies have also. It is time for the people of this country to make their voices heard LOUD AND CLEARLY! We have to make a public statement of such ferocity that the politicians can no longer ignore us. 76% of the public want a single-payer system that covers EVERYONE. If the rich want their private doctors, they have the money to retain them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 07/10/2009
- MAH999 I'm a Fan of MAH999 31 fans permalink

I think you misunderstood. Persons of color are the big fear of Bush supporters. The mistake flatus makes is in thinking these jerks believe anyone is truly needy and worthy of compassion. To a Republican poverty or need is an indication that you aren't worthy. After all, if God loved you, why would he make you poor and needy? That's all they value, the mighty dollar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/10/2009
- Dynamohum I'm a Fan of Dynamohum 62 fans permalink

Heck some of these same people are needy themselves and would rather suffer then let "everyone" benefit!! But hey that's how they roll!! Unbelievable but so true!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/10/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 51 fans permalink

a new movement going on now .DUMP THE DINOS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/10/2009
- getsit I'm a Fan of getsit 22 fans permalink

I can understand the Democrats wanting to even out the Medicare payments for rural counties. I live in a "rural" county surrounded by non rural counties. This is a designation only. We may have been a rural county at one time but now we are no different from the surrounding counties in terms of population and cost of living. We've left behind much of our "ruralness" years ago. However, our local doctors and hospitals still get the rural Medicare rates and they don't want to take the elderly because of this. The surrounding counties Medicare rates are much higher. There are inconsistancies throughout the country all set years and years ago and needing updating.

But, Medicare aside, these democrats need to be voted out of office. Their "concerns" are really not based on the reality of the healthcare crisis, but the money they won't receive from big corp if they go along with what their constituants want. They think they will get away with it. We need to find progressive candidates to run against them in the next elections. We need to donate and work to get them elected.

We need to thumb our noses at them in the next primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/10/2009

I guess I don't understand this. If everyone is going to have healthcare, why is medicare still in there. Isn't medicare draining healthcare? I pay $96.50 a month, some people pay more. So why not incorporate it all into one. Seems to me it would be cost effective.

And these "Blue Dog Dems"? They need to get voted out. You are right, they don't care about the people, they care about the money they will loose. The way it is being presented, it appears they are holding the rest of the Dems hostage if they don't get their way. I already emailed McCaskill and Bayh, not that it will do any good. I hope they are not re-elected and I hope the others won't give them the time of day

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/10/2009
- getsit I'm a Fan of getsit 22 fans permalink

I agree with you. All for one and one for all. Combine all the funding for various government health care programs into one and EVERYONE use the same system. This is a huge amount of money fragmented into many federal, state, and local healthcare programs. Everyone have equal beneftis and access.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 07/10/2009
- Dynamohum I'm a Fan of Dynamohum 62 fans permalink

I have a chronic illness. Medicare premium is $96 a month, but the very NECESSARY medicare supplement is $380 a month!!! Without the supplemental plan Medicare is worthless!! No doctor or hospital wants you if you cannot pay the 20% or deductibles which the supplemental plans cover!! So once again, if you are not sick that often $96 seems like a real bargain until something catastrophic happens then you are screwed!! Take it from someone who lived under Medicare without the supplement for 5 years. It nearly destroyed me and it did take my life savings!! It took about $100,000 out of my pocket!! Now I have no savings at all, but I have adequate coverage, just a little too late!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 07/10/2009
- aj88 I'm a Fan of aj88 6 fans permalink

Everyone should go to readthebill.org and demand our congressional leaders post the bill online prior to signing it and demand that they actually read it. While we are at it, all Americans should demand that their little provision that congressional leaders will not have to participate in this health care reform be removed from the bill and they also MUST participate in every aspect that we do. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/10/2009
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