Blue Dog Dems Rebel On Health Care Bill

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DAVID ESPO and ERICA WERNER | July 9, 2009 11:43 PM EST | AP

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Vice President Joe Biden speaks about a White House deal with hospitals to help pay for President Barack Obama's overhaul of health care, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building in Washington. At left is Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — The drive to remake the nation's health care system suffered yet another setback in Congress on Thursday when a pivotal group of House Democrats demanded changes in legislation the leadership was drafting on a fast track.

The emerging bill "lacks a number of elements essential to preserving what works and fixing what is broken," 40 members of the Blue Dog Coalition of moderate to conservative Democrats wrote party leaders. To win their support, they said, any legislation would need to be much more aggressive in reining in health care costs as well as in addressing a disparity in Medicare payments they said adversely affects rural providers.

A group of the moderates met into early evening with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and arranged to sit down with committee chairmen on Friday to go over proposed changes. Officials said the public release of the bill, originally set for Friday, would occur no earlier than Monday.

It was the second setback in three days for President Barack Obama's top domestic priority, although it was unclear whether it would amount to anything more than a brief delay for a bill of enormous complexity and controversy.

There was upheaval earlier in the week in the Senate, where the Democratic leadership is intent on scuttling a proposed tax on health care benefits that has long been key to attempts at a bipartisan compromise. At the same time, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and others went out of their way during the day to emphasize eagerness for Republican support.

As an alternative to the benefits tax, Democrats are considering raising taxes on wealthy investors to help pay for health care legislation, along with numerous other options, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. The proposal to extend the current 1.45 percent Medicare payroll tax to capital gains earned by high-income taxpayers would bring in an estimated $100 billion over 10 years.

In the House, Hoyer sought to minimize the day's developments, which occurred as Democrats on one committee were making final decisions on provisions to pay for the legislation.

"Let me make it very clear that everybody in that room thinks we ought to pass health care reform," the Maryland Democrat said.

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One conservative Democrat, Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., said he believes no House vote should take place until September. That is well past a midsummer informal deadline set by Pelosi, D-Calif.

"I promised the president that we would have legislation out of the House before we went on an August break," Pelosi said earlier in the day. "That is still my goal."

Despite some success _ the nation's hospitals agreed to a cut of $155 billion in projected Medicare and Medicaid payments _ progress has been scant and internal differences magnified.

In general, any bill that emerges from Congress is expected to follow Obama's blueprint for reining in health care costs overall while extending coverage to 50 million who lack it.

Another objective is to make sure that insurance companies can no longer deny coverage or raise premiums to unaffordable levels to individuals with pre-existing medical conditions.

But literally hundreds of details are involved in drafting legislation, and gaining a consensus even among Democrats is proving to be remarkably _ if predictably _ difficult, despite their large majorities in both houses.

As an example, some Democrats are demanding legislation that permits the government to sell insurance in competition with private companies. Republicans overwhelmingly oppose such a plan, deeming it a stalking horse for universal government-run insurance, and many Democrats have concerns, as well.

Some Democrats prefer a plan for a nonprofit cooperative to take the place of government in competing with private companies. Others favor a government role only in cases in which consumers lack a choice in coverage.

Similarly, Democrats are divided on paying for the bill, some preferring more tax increases than others, some favoring more cuts in Medicare and Medicaid.

"We've just got a lot of question and the top of the list would be how to pay for it," said Rep. Marion Berry, D-Ark., one of the Blue Dogs.

"I don't think we have significant cost-containment mechanisms in the proposal yet," said Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif. He said he favors provisions aimed at preventing overtreatment of patients and overpayments to doctors, hospitals and other providers.

A dispute over tax increases was at the core of upheaval in the Senate earlier in the week.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., and chairman of the Finance Committee, has been working for months with Republicans in hopes of gaining support for a bipartisan bill that can command 60 votes.

Efforts to raise money to pay for subsidizing the cost of insurance had focused on a tax on health care benefits for workers with high-cost coverage provided by their employers.

Baucus and Republican supporters argued it would also have tended to reduce the cost of health care overall, as well as offset the cost of the bill. But the Democratic leadership stepped in forcefully, citing poor public polling, opposition of organized labor and concerns about taxing middle-income workers.

WASHINGTON — The drive to remake the nation's health care system suffered yet another setback in Congress on Thursday when a pivotal group of House Democrats demanded changes in legislation the ...
WASHINGTON — The drive to remake the nation's health care system suffered yet another setback in Congress on Thursday when a pivotal group of House Democrats demanded changes in legislation the ...
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- Ruh17 I'm a Fan of Ruh17 4 fans permalink

YES. Medicare as we know it today is unsustainable. That doesn't take away from it's high efficiency, low overhead, and low fraud. But it is unsustainable. But the problems are easily fixed.

Part D is a huuuuge burden on medicare. It makes it a crime for the government to negotiate prices with drug companies... like every other country does. Why can't we buy drugs from canada? They do the exact same thing?

Medicare doesn't have enough people in the system. A single payer system requires everyone to be in the system. Everyone pays, but not everyone gets sick. Right now almost all the participants in medicare are high risk high cost participants. Everyone Pays and everyone gets sick. So, there is not enough money in the system to cover them. Whereas, if everyone was in, then there would be enough money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/10/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Great post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/10/2009
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I pay into Medicare, and I'm neither old nor sick.

Try again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/10/2009
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Health Care Meltdown - a book by a doctor who advocates single payer - explains how single payer is the most efficient, and how every single argument against it is based on a lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/10/2009
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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Part D is a disaster for Medicare and it was push through in it's present form by Republicans. It is insane to prohibit the government from negotiating with the drug companies for best prices. The Republicans, in Part D secured a big cash cow for all their pharmaceutical company friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 AM on 07/10/2009

Wait, I have a solution. Why not give all Americans the same healthcare options that every Blue Dog has?

Oh, wait again, my mistake.

That would be socialism...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 07/10/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 315 fans permalink
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Their Health Care is reserved for the few members of the royalty, us peons have to learn to live without insurance. Is the American way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/10/2009

Remember, like any insurance scheme, the risks are spread among the group of people that are covered under the plan. However, this should only be against catastrophic incidences, not your run of the mill cold symptoms. The problem with our health care system is that too many uninsured people take advantage of the system by not pay when they visit the ER. People would go to the ER in many cases when they have minor illness, and when you multiply them by thousands fold, you have an issues with cost. Instead having these individuals visiting the ER, many can be re-directed to clinic run by RNs to treat minor illness for a nominal fee. Those with terminal illness should receive assistance from the government in forms of reimbursement to private insurance companies. I have also heard of an interesting approach that private employers can provide insurance for their employees against catastrophic incidents only, and set aside extra cash for the individual for minor illness. The catch is, however, if the money that was set aside were not used, the individual can keep that money. This way, our health care system would not be over burdened, and can keep insurance premiums lower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 07/10/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 315 fans permalink
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For what Health Provider do you work for? Its so obvious

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/10/2009
- Tom95134 I'm a Fan of Tom95134 53 fans permalink
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By the time you get to the point where you are ready to visit the ER you ARE really sick or injured. Nobody goes there just to get a shot for a cold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 07/10/2009
- flash LI I'm a Fan of flash LI 6 fans permalink
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At least someone has a little similitude of common sense. HAHA lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 07/10/2009

I think most Progressive have the health care issue wrong. Instead of the government be fully involved in the business of providing health services, they should provide fixes on what is broken. I think most people would agree that the health care cost has gotten out of control, the last place we should look for solutions is a government run system; ie. Medicare & Medicaid are prime examples of ineptness of our government, and why would people support a bigger and full blown program thinking this time it would work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/10/2009
- RayPacNW I'm a Fan of RayPacNW 4 fans permalink

Again, a pure absence of facts. Medicare is one of the best-run systems that I've observed. It's not perfect, but they are tough as nails on efficiency, have zero tolerance for fraud and abuse, and maintain an admirable overhead rate. Sorry, if Medicare is an example of government-run healthcare, I don't think you're proving your point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 07/10/2009
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As someone that is on Medicaid I can tell you that Medicaid in Florida is broken.
As someone that has a family member on Medicare I can tell you that it does not work for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 07/10/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 324 fans permalink
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Medicare & Medicaid are unsustainable... just like gas guzzlers are unsustainable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 07/10/2009
- flossophy I'm a Fan of flossophy 324 fans permalink
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Med|care & Med|caid are uns`usta|nable... just like g`a`s g`u`z`z`|`e`r`s are uns`usta|nable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/10/2009
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Medicare has a $737 Billion budget for 2009. That's one year! That's another TARP.
So how are we going to continue to afford Medicare MUCH LESS a Public Plan?

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2008pres/02/20080204a.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/10/2009
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Exactly. Especially when we have another GOOD and very cost effective model to follow.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0501.longman.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 07/10/2009
- StellaRay I'm a Fan of StellaRay 212 fans permalink

"Medicare & Medicaid are prime examples of ineptness of our government, and why would people support a bigger and full blown program thinking this time it would work?"

I can't speak for Medicaid but I have two elderly parents who have been on Medicare for almost two decades. And let me tell you, it way works. They have received EXCELLENT care over many, many hospitaliz­ations---e­verything from hip replacements, broken bones, mini strokes, depression issues, dementia issues and on and on.

Conservatives like you do this country a great injustice when they try to turn the facts to agree with their own agenda. Medicare works and it works VERY well. And if wouldn't be a bit unaffordable if same conservatives quit involving us in useless wars---for which they never complain about the cost of.

Medicare works folks, it really does. The government has done a fine job of it here. I say so boldly because we must get ready for the myth makers and their big lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/10/2009

If solving the healthcare "crisis" is the key to our economic well-being, why didn't Obama/ Congress use the $700 Billion in Stimulus and The $700 Billion from TARP to make it happen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/10/2009

They couldn't, to many political cronies to pay off.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 07/10/2009
- flash LI I'm a Fan of flash LI 6 fans permalink
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HAHA lol, so true! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/10/2009
- Ohsherri I'm a Fan of Ohsherri 104 fans permalink
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I hear whispers here and there that another Stimulus is being floated around.
I don't know.
On PBS I here of Stimulus money being used on "other thingd" like paying down state
debt instead of going to "needy schools" (like in Conneticut)
I hope there is some accountability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/10/2009
- flash LI I'm a Fan of flash LI 6 fans permalink
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It was reported today that states are already using Fed money to pay down debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 07/10/2009
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Somebody's thinking. Kudos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 07/10/2009
- Ruh17 I'm a Fan of Ruh17 4 fans permalink

There reasoning would be that they needed this stimulus and TARP to jump start the economy's heart. Healthcare is is a huge crisis like a clogged artery. But it doesn't matter if that artery is clogged if the heart isn't even pumping.

Believe what you may, but that would be their reasoning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/10/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 07/10/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Maybe, just maybe, because we were facing a 1929 style depression that would have cost the economy $7 trillion or so if the credit markets weren't saved?

And maybe because the recession would be much deeper without a stimulus?

Health care reform is neccessary for long term fiscal stability. TARP and the stimulus were needed to prevent a short term collapse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 07/10/2009
- jadeba I'm a Fan of jadeba 9 fans permalink

Write the Blue Dogs - let them know you're watching. I'm stuck with 2 Blue Dog senators in Colorado - I've told them I don't vote for faux dems or rethugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/10/2009
- fairtaxnow I'm a Fan of fairtaxnow 9 fans permalink

Yep, the South doesnt know anything do they?

U.S. Job Market Best in the South; Worst in the West

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 07/10/2009
- RayPacNW I'm a Fan of RayPacNW 4 fans permalink

It's cyclical though. Doesn't really speak to a better approach in any particular region. Individual cities may have some good ideas, but overall, the good job markets come and go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/10/2009
- fairtaxnow I'm a Fan of fairtaxnow 9 fans permalink

But... but.. but I thought that it was the WORST crisis since the Great Depression. The FATS would seem to dispute that analysis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/10/2009

Amazingly, the vast majority of states that are in dire financial trouble are run by Democrats.... Coincidence, I think not....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/10/2009
- fairtaxnow I'm a Fan of fairtaxnow 9 fans permalink

Hey DelawareVol. Good to see other Vols on this site. I live in TN - Gores homestate. Im not a fan of Gore or anything just a point of reference. I cant wait for the Vols under Kiffen and team to get it going this yr. Is it football season yet?
Just thought that I woudl let ya know that there are other Vols on this site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 07/10/2009
- RayPacNW I'm a Fan of RayPacNW 4 fans permalink

And the vast majority of those states voted for McCain, and typically vote for Republicans in the White House in general. I can dig up those stats if you need me to. All it proves is that statistics can say whatever you want.

And now, back to the discussion on health care reform, already in progress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 07/10/2009
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Uh... California is run by a Republican.

The red states are generally ones that taken in more in federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes.

Blue states produce, red states take away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 07/10/2009
- StaggerLee I'm a Fan of StaggerLee 4 fans permalink
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They know how to undercut unions and work for slave wages. Scabs are what yankees call them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 07/10/2009
- fairtaxnow I'm a Fan of fairtaxnow 9 fans permalink

You should hear what public school workers have to say about the SEIU. My mother worked in the public schools for 30 yrs and she cant stand these SEIU criminals nor can any of her ex-coworkers. I suppose that she doesnt know anything though since she lives in a red state. In TN, the is a Right to Work Law. If you do not like it, do not come to TN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 07/10/2009
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If that were true, it would not mean the South knows anything as you so eloquently put it.

The South did not boom in the good years, so they would be more stable in a downturn.

I am amazed that people don't understand anything about economics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/10/2009
- fairtaxnow I'm a Fan of fairtaxnow 9 fans permalink

TN had SURPLUS during the boom years. TN also put funds into a rainy day fund to cover the times when the economy wasnt doing so well. But TN is a red state correct so they do not know anything right.

Heres the point that you so obviously missed. Jobs are GROWING in states that are traditionally Red while states that are traditionally Blue are not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/10/2009
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Here's an economic analysis of "Medicare-for-all".

http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/january/first-of-its-kind-study-medicare-for-all-single-payer-reform-would-be-major-stimulus-for-economy-with-2-6-million-new-jobs-317-billion-in-business-revenue-100-billion-in-wages.html

We pay double what we need to, right? Single payer is the solution, right?

Now, can one of the true believers glance through this and tell me if total spending on health care goes UP or DOWN under this plan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 07/10/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Who is advocating a single payer Medicare for all.

Since that is NOT up for discussion, your post is pretty irrelevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 07/10/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 40 fans permalink

His link actually argues for our case, or am I missing something?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/10/2009
- dave1111 I'm a Fan of dave1111 40 fans permalink

Krug, do you realize that your link proves OUR position, even better than WE have?
Are you ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 07/10/2009
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I asked a simple question. Up or down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/10/2009
- cdembrey I'm a Fan of cdembrey 5 fans permalink

The best way to contain medical costs would be to do away with the obscene profits made by private insurance companies.

Private insurance companies are in business to make their stockholders a profit, not to provide medical care to their customers. In fact the less care they provide their customers, the more profit their shareholders make.

This is real simple, why do most people not understand???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 07/10/2009
- RayPacNW I'm a Fan of RayPacNW 4 fans permalink

I don't get it either. Private insurers spend an enormous amount of time (and hence, money) trying to figure out how to NOT pay claims. They look for any loophole or angle to disqualify claims. This is not fraud avoidance (which I would wholeheartedly support) - this is cold hard legalese and dollars. They are definitely in it to drag away as much money as possible, not help the people who buy their services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/10/2009
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Considering that fully 30% of our health dollars go toward "defensive medicine", I'm glad that SOMEONE is looking out for those paying the insurance premiums.

Under government insurance, everyone at the negotiating table has it in their own best interests to overutilize, and nobody is there to protect the taxpayers paying the bills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/10/2009
- Eric8 I'm a Fan of Eric8 17 fans permalink

A majority of people in the US live in cities, yet the majority of people are held hostage to rural back woods politicians who only care about three things: guns, god, and gays and taxes as well. Democrats back in 2006, under Rahm Emmanuel's leadership, made a deal with the devil, they recruited conservative democrats thinking that they could somehow control them to support progressive legislation. But just the opposite has happened, the cattle is loose and running wild all over Pelosi's ranch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 07/10/2009
- Vr6 I'm a Fan of Vr6 9 fans permalink
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'Before long journey sit down.' This should not be rushed, the goal is sacrosanct and not to be hurried through, without a great deal of thought. Whether here, that this, is the intention - to reign in the rush - and be more circumspect, after all who wrote 'it' and who has read 'it'?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 07/10/2009

delwarevol- good luck up there...old joe does seem to be struggling recently...doesn't Obama, Axelrod, and Gibbs let him come to the morning meetings so he can get the talking points? or does he just float the trial balloon everyday until the admin can get the polling data? He may be put out to pasture soon with a few more verbal gaffes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 07/10/2009

Amazingly, the vast majority of states that are in dire financial trouble are run by Democrats.... Coincidence, I think not....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 07/10/2009

LOL!!! I misplaced my post down here....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 07/10/2009
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Rep. Mike Ross Sold his Vote for Campaign Funds #1 Health Professionals at $570,548!

His Union Money combined is almost that, so perhaps he should talk to his other supporters who Need Better and Cheaper Healthcare!

[Opensecrets.org]

Health Professionals $570,548
Lawyers/Law Firms $566,732
Retail Sales $298,395
Industrial Unions $285,000
Public Sector Unions $274,500

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 07/10/2009
- Freesia2 I'm a Fan of Freesia2 295 fans permalink

I'm reminded why I don't register as a Democrat.

Could these guys and gals please, just once, stop sticking the crayons up their noses?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 07/10/2009
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I am not registered as a Democrat either.

Lots of these Democrats need to be replaced by better ones, and better ones are out there.

A bribed Democrat is no better than a bribed Republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 07/10/2009
- Freesia2 I'm a Fan of Freesia2 295 fans permalink

That's just it. They act like it's somehow acceptable if they don't deliver, as long as they don't deliver as Democrats. (??) Democrats have great ideas, I give them that. Unlike Republicans, they tend to be individuals (that's why they fight so much) which is very American and very admirable, but dadburn there are moments for slapping on your team jersey. And they never see that.

It's one of the reasons I'm registered Independent. I want them to not be able to count on my vote. It's about the only way to let them know that what I voted for? I expect them to deliver it. If they don't, then I'll just stay home next time. (It used to be "or I'll vote for the Republican" but that's gone the way of the dinosaurs. I'm not stupid.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 07/10/2009
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