El Paso Times:
EL PASO -- Two gay men kissed at a Chico's Tacos restaurant, prompting guards to eject them and a police officer to endorse their ouster.
Civil-rights lawyers say the security staff was out of line. Police, though, contend that a business such as a restaurant can refuse service to anybody, any time.
Deborah Calla: The Magic Of Kissing
I was getting my nails done when I saw a couple kissing across the street. As I knew I was going to be hostage to...
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"Disturbing the peace" trumps any so-called state or city ordinance. Two guys kissing in a public restaurant certainly qualifies, because it is disturbing. Don't believe me? Ask any cop, any state, anywhere.
NO one asked you, You big scary MAN
Macintoshsauce: I know exactly who you are, from our memorable (and aromatic) encounters in the Sling Room at Steam Works here in Chicago. All I have to say is: Would it bankrupt you to invest in a Fleet e nema before going to the ba thhouse?! Jeesh!
Reposting a comment I posted before going to work.
" Decency, is not a standard that first comes to mind when one thinks of GBLTQ community."
Bingo.
There are ga.ys certainly, but the above loch belongs to the German term for the bassoon subspecies. Absolutely.
Sorry, bud, but I don't take my instructions in decency from bi g ots.
As much fun as this all was, meeting secret agent man and Father Merrin, I'm off to have a big gay date now. There's going to be kissing and holding hands, in public. Oh, and if that wasn't bad enough for you 'phobes, my boyfriend is black too.
Fine! I'll leave the bad stuff out.
Have fun, Dis, and stay away from the phobes, they're crazy!
They better stay away from him. I get a fierce vibe from Disuberence. I think he could go quite crazy right back. Have fun!
tee-hee...awesome.
A double taboo can be quite a turn on, right?
Go for the trifecta: get him to sign up with al Qaeda: you'll never get past hors d'oeuvres!
In the same spirit, why settle for Reynolds Wrap when you can affix chin straps to aluminum cookware?
I'd steer clear of apple pie for dessert, though. Me, I'm off to bed with my partner of 28 years--to do the unspeakable: read a good book. Good night, Dis, have a fun evening irritating the heterosexists.
His boyfriend's black and there's gonna be trouble, hey la, hey la, his boyfriend's black!
It's a joke based on on old song, not a slur, in case you don't get the reference.
have a great time, and thanks for being there for the GLBT family tonight.
"Come on, Dorothy. You don't want any of *those* apples."
-- Scarecrow, The Wizard of Oz
Are you hinting my apples aren't what they ought to be?
-- Apple Tree, The Wizard of Oz
"They're full of little green worms."
Is all this homosexual code for something?
Yes, they are putting a homosexual curse on you through the interwebs. Be afraid.
Stop feeding the trolls, please.
Some of the gays here STILL have not answered my question... Why do you feel the need to dress up in outlandish costumes and parade up and down the street like a twit?
Why do you feel the need to stereotype and spend hours on here insulting people?
Who is stereotyping or insulting people? Do you not have "gay pride" parades? Do they not wear really freakish costumes and act like a bunch of twits? Jesus, I must be seeing things in the newspapers and on the tele.
It's obviously working. Look at you!
If you're too stupid to figure out the reason, no amount of me telling you will help.
No ignoramus. I am merely trying to understand why gays feel the need to promote their sexuality in public.
You could just as well ask the Shriners that question.
Well, Mac, there's plenty of perfectly good questions a tab below that you could be answering while you're waiting. Like, who's this 'Everyone' you mention that will suddenly give in to lust' and turn gay' if LBGT people aren't completely shut from sight?
Hrm?
You know what is funny about the gay community? If the straight community opposes their lifestyle they accuse us of bigotry, hate, and prejudice. Aren't gays being a little defensive and overly dramatic?
Not really. Trade places for a week.
Umm... No thanks. I don't want to experience the gay way.
BTW, I am perfectly happy being a straight male married to a straight woman. I don't need to have sympathy for the "gay way."
I mean, case in point. Thugs and cops try to bring the nation back to a Jim Crow footing with rampant abuse and all you can think about is, 'Oh, my 'disagreeing with their lifestyle' martyrs me. They say somehow I'm not a *wholly good person for oppressing them.* ' My 'disagreeing' has me all 'fagged out.'
Boo F'n hoo, sir.
Boo F'n hoo.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but if a minority *visibly existing* and *having equal protection under the law* is the same thing to you as 'imposing their lifestyle on everyone,' actually, *you're* the one being 'overly dramatic.'
Mention of a kiss turns into a 'slobbering display.'
I think you're the one who needs to dry up. And grow up.
If anyone should ever question the prevalence--and virulence--of homophobia/heterosexism in this nation, you should just send them here to read through these posts.
Please don't equate being a heterosexual to homophobia. That shows you have no clue to what is going on here.
Exactly, and I have! ;) These threads work wonders!
Gay couple cuffed, cited after kiss on Main Street Plaza
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_12811907
Pilot threatens to divert flight over gay kiss
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/09/25/060925ta_talk_collins
Tell HuffP0, they have a tips area. I sent this tip in and they posted it, I'm sure they'll do the same for you. HuffP0 has a lot of viewers, good way to raise awareness.
"We’d kiss—not kiss kiss, just mwah,” Tsikhiseli recalled, making a smacking sound."
Just what I need on an international flight, hearing the sounds of homosexual demons making out!!
LOL
Why not? They have to hear the sounds of your stupid demon every time you open your mouth.
Yep. Those poor oppressed homophobes, why they can't even get taken seriously as avowed moral Christians when they LOL at people who claim queer folk are 'demons.'
"De Leon said he and his friends left the restaurant after an officer threatened to issue a citation for 'homosexual conduct.'"
I wouldn't have left. I would have BEGGED the officer to issue the citation, and then take the city to court over it.
After you got yourself arrested for not following an officer's instructions which is a whole different crime in itself.
tricky idea, but when the police issue an invalid citation.
there is no such thing as contempt of cop.
We are all very touched.
Is there no cooth anymore?
Apparently not if saying, 'Thanks for taking me to dinner, dear' and lanting a kiss could get you ejected from a restaurant by slur-throwing bigots, that the police will back up by threatening arrest, citing old laws that were thrown out as Unconstitutional years before the 'inexperienced' officer could have been studying for the force?
Where did you get the fiction that someone was thanking someone for dinner?
It'd be spelled 'couth,' by the way.
didn't i prove you were worked up over all this because you are homophobic back on the last page of all this?
As a proud Gay man, I have no problem with public-displays-of-affection by either homosexuals or heterosexuals. I think that some people need to grow-up and develop a sense of sexual security within themselves. A simple kiss doesn't harm anyone and only demonstrates two universal traits in all humans---the need for affection and the desire to express it.
My sentiments exactly. Thank you.
That's all well and good.
I assume you also believe there's a time an place for everything too, right?
well said!
As a proud Straight man, I do have a problem with slobbering public displays of affection. There is a time and a place for everything, whether one is straight or gay.
Why do you assume there was 'slobbering?'
Wow. The article says "simple kiss". You are fantasizing there, mister. I think this is of prurient interest to you.
This has been interesting. I am off to dinner with my partner and I plan on kissing him when I see him in the middle of the restaurant. As we normally do in a nice restaurant with a great, diverse clientle that won't bat an eye.
To the haters... thanks for reminding us that the battle is far from over and we must continue to stand up for the rights of everyone and speak out against discrimination in any form at any time. The world will be a much better place when people accept the grand diversity of the universe and not teach hate and intolerance to the next generations.
Live and love honestly!
well said, msnichols -- i will do the same when i meet up with my partner!
I don't see how you're going to get to your table AND try to stand up for the rights of everyone too!!
Multitasking. Too challenging to contemplate? :)
Seriously, people need to toughen up or something. It's particularly bad that the conservatives on this thread are laying all their subconscious fears way open here and are fundamentally turning this thread into a fait accompli that illustrates how emotionally fragile and lacking in willpower the breed are. They run around in a hysterical tizzy, expecting everyone else to kow-tow to and tiptoe around their emotional and psychological issues rather than doing what a rational, adult, civilized human being would do:
Cope.
The immature position in this debate is the one that states that they get all upset over what two other people do and state support for stopping them in a legally biased, unfair manner that does not punish others for the same act. They scour their surroundings of temptation and blame the two guys kissing when the reality is that the problem lays in their response and their inability to look away and put it out of their mind. Most of us learn how to do that, but apparently in the Bible Belt they are too weak to do this.
The rest of us know how to put things out of our mind that disturb us, such as a sign that says, "God Hates F*gs" in the hands of a pinch-faced zealot. Time for the rest of you to join the ranks of the adults and learn how to cope with your problems, rather than punishing everyone else because you're too irresponsible to cope.
Spot-on.
Well written and well put!
As someone who lives in the bible belt, there is hope. I rarely see the type of homophobia and hate that is reflected by the few albeit LOUD posters here.
I've lived there before, I know how it goes. The preoccupation with sin, honestly, strikes me as a form of badly-handled guilt issues.
I agree. This gay-panic argument espoused by the likes of CaliforniaLove and other bigoted posters on this site is emblematic of the "Me-First" mentality which has brought this country to it's knees. I really think they need to obsess on what's truly important and just let people live their lives.
Really now? What do parents do when gay teachers push their lifestyle in the public school system upon students? Don't tell me that it doesn't happen either because you'd be a lying sack of *&^% if you did.
I also think it's worth noting that the gay panic types tend to think everyone is some sort of conformist sheep that will go along with homosexuality because "it is a choice" and it's "cool." Basically, on the basis of the flawed fundamental assumption that homosexuality isn't biologically hardwired, they get it all wrong.
But even beyond that, these people are also in 'follower' religions or 'follower' societies where they pay a lot of attention to what their leaders say. Even if they are secular and listening to Limbaugh, they are used to taking their marching orders from somewhere, and don't seem to be able to realize that there are a lot of people out there, and a lot of them are liberals, who don't wait around for someone to tell them what to think before they think.
See, they're under the assumption that the Gay Obama will someday come into power and command us all to be gay. Then, because they make the mistaken assumption that we all think as they do, they figure that we'll all obey, like we're the borg or something. And America will go all gay or something.
It's a scary sort of subconscious paranoia that I doubt they've thought about, because introspection is scary to that breed. They react to things, they don't think about them.
It sounds like management coped with complaints from their customers.
It was the homosexual demons who called the cops!!
What irony.
Actually, the security people claimed to have all seen it, then, apparently immediately came up to eject them, calling them the 'F-word' and basically saying, 'Your kind can't be here,' ...where 'customer complaints' had time to come from, I dunno.
I went into a bar in Alaska several years ago with a couple of friends driving back from fishing. It ended up being a biker bar and a man and woman were having sex on a table with a bunch of guys forming a circle around them cheering. If I was turned off by this, does that make me a bigot regarding people who ride motorcycles? If they were asked to leave, would that be biker discrimination? Where do you draw the line? Why isn't it ok to have a policy against an act that is often viewed as part of making love?
Comparing apples to oranges though. This was a simple kiss after midnight in taco stand.
Nothing lewd, nothing wrong. Just ignorance of the law and intolerance.
...and reacting to customer's complaints.
Young children don't care. They see people in love when a straight couple kisses or a gay couple kisses.
It's their elderly bigoted parents who care. I'm sure said parents still cover their brats' eyes every time an interracial couple walks down the street. If they're not bothered by the interracial thing, then eventually they'll get used to the sight of gay couples too.
Gay's have just as much of an equal right to expression as straight do.
Be proud homos! Every time you see a straight couple kiss in public, kiss your same-sex partner!
Sorry.
I don't need to see a gay porn movie when my intention is to scarf down a couple of tacos and keep them down!!
THEN CLOSE YOUR EYES.
It's our right.
You're comparing kissing to a porn movie? Wth, who are you people?
johnnynyc, would you feel that way if it were two women kissing? i thought so ......
...Yup 5-0 will be on their way shortly.
NEWSFLASH, flunkie:
Laws criminalizing Homosexual acts were declared unconstitutional and overturned by the U.S. SUPREME COURT IN 2003. (Lawrence v. Texas)
You're about 6 years behind the times with that call.
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First Posted: 07- 9-09 11:21 PM | Updated: 08- 9-09 05:12 AM