Environmentalists Turn On Obama As Compromiser

New York Times:

For environmental activists like Jessica Miller, 31, the passage of a major climate bill by the House last month should have been cause for euphoria. Instead she felt cheated.

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[RomeoMD25]

Exxon Mobile Funded latest climate bill(interesting)

Industries and individual companies with a stake in the landmark House climate and energy bill poured money into lobbying early this year

Exxon Mobil Corp. spent the most within that group, paying $9.3 million on lobbying the first quarter of this year.
Last year the company spent $29 million, its highest level ever.

Carbon and CO2 (carbon dioxide) are fundamental for all life on Earth. CO2 is a colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas.

[AngieMom57]

"Carbon and CO2 (carbon dioxide) are fundamental for all life on Earth. CO2 is a colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas." Almost but no cigar, you left out the most important part....

[AngieMom57]

It's about percentage of CO2 in the air, not just CO2, get it? Got it? Good!

Now join us in organizing!

[starkcr31]

God forbid he compromises. That's radical liberals for you. It's their way, or the highway.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

What's radical are icestorms in july.

[fumes]

link?

[starkcr31]

That must be caused by global warming somehow. Apparently everything is.

[OliverTwist]

There is no accounting for weather.

Short hail storms in the summer have been common for years and years and years.

"Hail forms as a result of the strong updrafts common in severe weather systems. When a strong convective cell forms, warm air rises and cool air sinks. If there is a sufficient amount of supercooled water, accumulation of ice can begin in the clouds.
Rising air will often reach a point in the atmosphere that is below freezing (hence, ice will form). The ice is suspended in the air by the strong updrafts and will later fall back down. This process will occur over and over adding layer upon layer to the hailstone.
....

Many states have records for the largest hailstones. Nationally, the largest hailstone on record based on diameter and circumference was found in Aurora, Nebraska on June 22, 2003.

The formation of hail means there is usually a severe thunderstorm. A severe thunderstorm is the precursor of tornadoes and should be closely monitored.
Temperature variations in the clouds can be substantial and thermalally driven air currents can lead to the formation of hail."

[freelyb]

Not all of us were created equally after all.

[Peacein09]

The blood of Africa will be on your hands, Obama, if you don't take a strong stand on energy independence soon. The energy corporations have blood on their hands already. We have exchanged the blood of thousands of US soldiers and millions of Iraqui citizens for "cheap" oil. In Nigeria, energy companies have assisted in the slaughter of all those who want to safeguard their environment and use the profits from oil to take care of their poor.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

Tell it like it is peacein09! Fanned.

[fumes]

lol.. take a breath!

obama's the best leader the world has had since i don't know when..

sit down you in the back seat and let him drive!

[AngieMom57]

Sit down? Come on now, it's about getting up off our butts and organizing peacefully and protesting the special interests of lobbyists to continue this rape of our planet.

Have you had a drink of tap water lately? Grown a garden? Taken a deep breath?

[MyNameIsJames]

That sounds like advice for a new convert to a cult. Citizens don't sit down - they get active and promote their positions.

[notthistime]

thank you. it is absolutely ridiculous. He accomplished so much in under 6 months and they are still griping.

[AngieMom57]

Organize to start a mass uprising in correlation with this event!

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/07/global-peace-film-fest-promotes-peace-and-environmental-justice.php?dcitc=th_rss

Not just American's, all the G-8 citizens; take to the streets, stop business as usual.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

TY4 the link.

[prosha]

Good luck with that.

[mioffe]

Why we need rainforest?
Tim Flannery book “The Weather Makers,” 2006:
“Mature forests don’t take in much CO2 they are in balance, releasing CO2 as old vegetation rots, then absorbing it as new grows. For these reasons the world largest forests-the coniferous forests of Siberia and Canada, and the tropical rainforests are not good carbon sinks, but new vigorously forests are.”
Why we need any forest?
Please try to answer on these questions and you will change mind about Global warming.

[AngieMom57]

Slowly repeat: POLLUTION

[fumes]

define: ''pollution''

warning: trap dead ahead

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

Because, they produce...OXYGEN? Provide a habitat for millions of life forms?
Here's one you'll understand.."Because GOD made them!"

[fumes]

define: ''god''

[mioffe]

Dear AngieMom57 & TheHuffingtonEnquirer,
What kind of pollution mature forest take in?
When we speak about GW please ommit biodiversity.
According Tim Flannery maturre forest in balance and do not produce new Oxygen.
God made coal, oil and many others things, why you fighting them, if you are so religious person?
Answer the question: what role of mature forests in the nature of Global Warming?
It is more important for you.
If you want fight for something, you must to understand your position.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

He also buried them miles and miles BELOW the ground! Who are we to mess up his works?

What's your position? All you've done is parrot something someone I've never heard of has written. For each one of his books I'll find you two to explain why the rainforests are essential.

Why should I have to, use google!

[AngieMom57]

Dear mioffe, "When we speak about GW please omit biodiversity"...come on now, it's all interconnected, or have you not figured that one out yet? Shhesh

[mioffe]

Dear TheHuffingtonEnquirer, before to Google something, you must understand if Tim Flannery is right in his statement, that mature forest do not produce a lot of Oxygen, and if so why we must save any mature forest. Why it is so important for Global Warming? Otherwise your good intentions to save planet the same is AngieMom57 will make more harm for nature than good things.
Google provide you with information, which is not the same as knowledge.
If you will Google you could find last opinion on any topic, and they could be wrong.
Please try to make your opinion on every topic, where you participate in debate.
WHY WE NEED MATURE FOREST?-IS GOOD STEP TO BEGINNER.
DO NOT GOOGLE TRY TO ANSWER BY YOUR TODAY KNOWLEDGE.

[mioffe]

Dear AngieMom, I understand that everything in the world is "interconnected."
What you do not understand "what is main reason for Global Warming?"
You have good intentions to save, peace, planet etc.
You do not know the best way to do these good intentions.
In my opinion you must educate yourself and correct answer on my question "why we need mature forest will help you and your goals.

[AngieMom57]

OH, I get it, this is a test...in answering the question correctly we achieve peace, prosperity, and a healthy environment...

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

Obama has a high approval rating, and campaigned on 'change'. He could use his bully pulpit to expose the entrenched interests in d.c. and the elected officials that do their bidding.
Instead, he says nothing, and signs their worthless legislation. Which is, in effect, protecting them from their constituents, and ensuring that little will change for the status quo.

[JackND]

Two things Obama championed on the campaign trail were clean coal and that "if you like your current health care coverage, then keep it".

Why should he turn against himself?

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

He campaigned on man-made carbon reductions, and a public health plan. Both of which he has now backed down on.
There is no such thing as 'clean coal'!

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

I take that back.
He has yet to sign a healthcare bill, so I'll wait and see before accusing him of backing down on that.

[AngieMom57]

We have to have an uprising in this country!

Show the world that millions of American's can take to the streets in peaceful protest, for weeks not a day (see Naomi Wolf: The Ayatollah's Tipping Point, which talks about successful protesting)!

Let's organize as POTUS suggested in his campaign.

We must let the demonic polluting, self-serving corporations of this planet know that we shall overcome the practices that are destructive to humanity.

[JackND]

I have little sympathy for people who demand radical change in a short time frame.

Obama promised change, and change to me means a course correction back in the right direction. Obama has delivered that.

People who demand all or nothing with the first piece of legislation on any given issue are likely to get nothing, and it's their own fault.

These kinds of things are processes, not events.

[AngieMom57]

Oh, please...it's more comfortable that way, right?

There was not an all or nothing demand! Yet is it clear that the coal industry is still at the helm.

[isis]

I agree with JackND. Greenpeace does some good things and has good ideas but on the other hand they sure can send a person a lot of paper and junk mail. Maybe they need to clean up their own house first.

[notthistime]

agreed.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

I thought waxman edged dingel out, because he was a sell-out... And, why didn't the "environmental" president send this weak bill back?

[SangZe]

We all trusted Obama would honor his campaign promises. We believed he was a different kind of politician, that he would bring about change in our government. Instead we have found he man waffling on just about everything. The result is that the republicans and the overly-larger corporations are having their way in spite of the 2008 election. We don't want Obama to fail. We want him to act as we expected him to act when we voted for him. That's all.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

Absolutely! If not, fckem, they can ALL go.

[AngieMom57]

co-singed, now let's organize.

[isis]

I think you are all some GOP trolls because if you listened to Obama campaign he said it would not be easy nor swift to bring change and he was also very quick to point out that he would not make the prefect the enemy of the good on energy. Not to mention that "waffling" is a GOP term and I believe you even had some racist waffle mix during the campaign. So go eat your waffles now--there are probably lots of unsold boxes that are going to go stale.

[edwarvir]

SangZe Rome was not built in a day. He is doing
much more than any President before him, Your statement
is not true, so what EXACTLY is your beef, HIs RACE?

[MacTheBlogger]

Hey, why isn't it called "Global Warming" any more?

Oh. Yeah.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

Does it really matter what you call it? If you change the name of a 'tornado' to 'wind change' it will still do damage, no? There are no shortage of rush parrots on this site, I see.

http://www.globalchange.com/human-cost-of-global-warming.htm

And these leftwing kooks, of course.

http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/articles_2004/pentagon_report_global_warming.html

[starkcr31]

This person disagrees with man-made global warming so they must love Rush Limbaugh. Do you know how little sense that makes?

[fcsakes]

What it's "called" is irrelevant. The concern is, and always has been, climate change. I guess too many of the lesser educated types thought because it was exceptionally cold and wet in some places, "Hey, how can this be 'global warming' when it's so frigging cold?" So it was changed to a more accurate "name" to advise people about things like seawaters rising, polar ice caps melting and toxic gases being released as a result, agricultural cycles changing, species declining, etc, etc.

A change of two degrees is catastrophic for Mother Earth, but duh types don't have the time to get educated about it.

[starkcr31]

Because the planet isn't warming.

[MIKEinNYC]

Possibly Obama read the report that NASA, his space agency, put out in June, 2009, which attributes global warming to sun activity,

( http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SORCE/sorce_04.php )

and he realizes that this is a bunch bs.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

Clean up your frikkin messes! We're tired of being po.isoned by your ig.norance,and gr.eed, @ssh0le!!

[Peter007]

Climate change has to do with inductive or deductive reasoning. The scientific community uses deductive reasoning.
Example:.
Carbon emissions can cause rising temperatures. We have rising carbon levels, therefore, temperatures will rise.
That is an example of inductive reasoning. Its not scientific. Its speculative. In logic it's called a disjointed sylogism.
Deductive reasoning would be that " Any rise in carbon emissions will cause rising temperatures with all other things being equal."
We have " only" a rise in carbon emissions, therefore rising temperatures."

[StopGlobalWarmingBeVegan]

We need to shift our talk over to animal agriculture since that is the main cause of climate change.

[TheHuffingtonEnquirer]

No it isn't!! Industrialization is the biggest cause of CO:

http://www.wri.org/image/view/9529/_original

Here's a CO2 flowchart, you li@r.

[starkcr31]

CO isn't an actual compound.

[citizen of the universe]

It's been six months what is taking so long! People please, change takes time. I'm curious, when Bush ran roughshod over Congress with those signing statements the people were up in arms, now you want Obama to pretty much do the same thing, why? Last time I checked you need Congress to do their part. You cast your vote for Obama not Cris Angel! There are 4 yrs. to a term, he already said if you don't like what he has done vote him out, and at this rate the Dems and Progressives are going to. I'm starting to think Dems and Progressives can't function unless Republicans are in charge, thus making you the victim where I think you feel more comfortable.