Obama Admin: No Grounds To Probe Afghan War Crimes

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LARA JAKES | July 10, 2009 11:41 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Obama administration officials said Friday they had no grounds to investigate the 2001 deaths of Taliban prisoners of war who human rights groups allege were killed by U.S.-backed forces.

The mass deaths were brought up anew Friday in a report by The New York Times on its Web site. It quoted government and human rights officials accusing the Bush administration of failing to investigate the executions of hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of prisoners.

U.S. officials said Friday they did not have legal grounds to investigate the deaths because only foreigners were involved and the alleged killings occurred in a foreign country.

The Times cited U.S. military and CIA ties to Afghan Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum, whom human rights groups accuse of ordering the killings. The newspaper said the Defense Department and FBI never fully investigated the incident.

Asked about the report, Marine Corps Col. David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, said that since U.S. military forces were not involved in the killings, there is nothing the Defense Department could investigate.

"There is no indication that U.S. military forces were there, or involved, or had any knowledge of this," Lapan said. "So there was not a full investigation conducted because there was no evidence that there was anything from a DoD (Department of Defense) perspective to investigate."

A Justice Department official said the FBI had no jurisdiction to investigate. The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. Separately, Justice Department spokesman Matthew Miller declined to comment.

A spokesman for former President George W. Bush did not have an immediate comment Friday night.

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Reacting to the Times' report, human rights group Physicians for Human Rights called for the Justice Department to begin a criminal investigation into whether the Bush administration blocked inquiries into the Taliban deaths.

"For U.S. government officials to claim that there is no legal basis to investigate this well-documented mass atrocity is absurd," said the groups deputy director, Susannah Sirkin.

The allegations date back to November 2001, when as many as 2,000 Taliban prisoners died in transit after surrendering during one of the regime's last stands, according to a State Department report from 2002.

Witnesses have claimed that forces with the U.S.-allied Northern Alliance placed the prisoners in sealed cargo containers over the two-day voyage to Sheberghan Prison, suffocating them and then burying them en masse using bulldozers to move the bodies, according to the State Department report. Some Northern Alliance soldiers have said that some of their troops opened fire on the containers, killing those within.

Dostum, the Northern Alliance general who is accused of overseeing the atrocities, has previously denied the allegations.

A former U.S. ambassador for war crimes issues, Pierre Prosper, told the Times that the Bush administration was reluctant to investigate the deaths, even though Dostum was on the payroll of the CIA and his soldiers worked with U.S. special forces in 2001.

Dostum was suspended from his military post last year on suspicion of threatening a political rival, but Afghan President Hamid Karzai recently rehired him, the Times reported.

WASHINGTON — Obama administration officials said Friday they had no grounds to investigate the 2001 deaths of Taliban prisoners of war who human rights groups allege were killed by U.S.-backed f...
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- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 127 fans permalink

It is odd, but isn't what the Northern Alliance accused of exactly what the Taliban had done earlier? Locking prisoners in containers and leaving them to suffocate?

The investigation should include what happened in Mazr E Sharrif and Herat when the Taliban took over.

Afghanistan was and remains a very tough place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/12/2009
- jasjohn128 I'm a Fan of jasjohn128 22 fans permalink
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I agree. In a shooting war the objective is to kill enemy soldiers, as many as you can, so they don't retreat, regroup, and come back to blow you up another day. Maybe not blow YOU up, as an armed military shooter, but bide their time and wait for a chance to blow up softer, easier, non-combatant targets.

Bush 41, Powell, Scharzkopf et al didn't understand this when they let huge numbers of the Iraqi army run back home with weapons, vehicles, and air assets intact. Doubtless enough of them survived long enough to plant IEDs or otherwise kill American and allied soldiers in the 2003 war.

In Afghanistan we'd made a battlefield alliance with Dostum. He knows exactly what warfare means. So now the complaint is that hundreds of enemy fighters were probably killed by our battlefield allies after the shooting stopped.

I say, so what?

This is what war is. The dead aren't killing anybody in Afghanistan today, or blowing up girls' schools or throwing acid in anybody's face. If they'd lived they'd be doing that today, right along with all the new fanatics that are working their way through the tribal zone and into Pakistan.

Grab a perfumed hankie and lie down for a minute if you must, but the fact is there's gonna be lots more dying over there because there isn't any "deterrence" that's gonna work on Sunni Takfiris. And let's get out of there as soon as we possibly can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 07/12/2009
- GalenL I'm a Fan of GalenL 2 fans permalink

The fact is that there is going to be alot more dying over there since the opium trade is basically going to end up being centralized under the current government and the stage is going to be set for a new tribal civil war, but Karzai is our guy. Or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 07/12/2009
- JerryLevy I'm a Fan of JerryLevy 52 fans permalink
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Obama is wrong! There have been serious Afghan war crimes that should be investigated. The murder of women by the Taliban who were guilty of only refusing to wear a burka. The destruction of the ancient buddah by the Taliban. The mass executions of people who refused to live by the Taliban's Sharia law. The killing of anyone accused of being gay. The set up implementation and protection of Osama Bin Laden and his terrorist cadre responsible for the murder of 3000 people in New York. These are some war crimes I would like to see investigated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 07/11/2009
- jmpurser I'm a Fan of jmpurser 148 fans permalink

None of those are "war crimes" as they were not committed in time of war.

Those are crimes against humanity perhaps but not war. The execution OF the taliban by forces we were supporting IS a war crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 07/12/2009
- GalenL I'm a Fan of GalenL 2 fans permalink

Investigate him! Investigate him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/12/2009
- Bcasey11 I'm a Fan of Bcasey11 13 fans permalink
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didn't vote for him!! haha so I can criticize him, this war is ILLEGAL no proof contenting the Afghan government with 9/11 sorry but facts are facts, find out what really happened

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/11/2009
- alan2a I'm a Fan of alan2a 9 fans permalink

Am I imagining things or is GW Bush and his Administration still their. Was there an election, I think I missed it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/11/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 100 fans permalink

No, you're not imagining things.

I voted for Obama and am extremely dissatisfied with his attitude towards "national security" and the rule of law.

Seems we have an intelligent, articulate George Bush as president and little more.

Other than pandering to Wall Street bankers, it appears Obama has no interest in doing much of anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/11/2009
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Beware! Do not be influenced by the pleasant smile,
and the wagging finger that points to stress a point.

It only shows arrogance and condescension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 07/11/2009


I completely agree with you.

I also voted for Obama as I wanted real change.

It seems as it is business as usual.

I guess the powers that were, still are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 07/11/2009

Once again ,Barack Thesame Obama covers the Bush-Cheney-CIA tracks. What do they have on this president?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 07/11/2009
- kingbuzz I'm a Fan of kingbuzz 3 fans permalink

obummer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/11/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 100 fans permalink

The US replaced one set of terrorists with another set of terrorists in Afghanistan.

It was widely reported on page 97 of the fourth section of most national newspapers during the initial stages of the Afghanistan fiasco.

The "Northern Alliance" (who now control the "liberated" parts of Afghanistan) are US sponsored terrorists.

Some things never change.

It appears the Obama administration has no intent to investigate anything or prosecute anyone.

George Bush, redux.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/11/2009
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It's not the Obama administration's responsibility! Look up the separation of powers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/11/2009
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What about the t0rture and killings of detainees that was done by US in Gitm0, t00l? Whose responsibility is that? Certainly "No Drama" Obama does not think anything should be done even when the US is involved, so what hope is there for cases where our allies were doing the di.rty work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/11/2009
- DrPneumann I'm a Fan of DrPneumann 8 fans permalink

In spite of Friday’s revelation that the Bush administration suppressed an investigation into what is potentially the worst war crime of the Afghanistan occupation, the Obama administration will not seek an inquiry.

“Asked about the report, Marine Corps Col. David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman, said that since U.S. military forces were not involved in the killings, there is nothing the Defense Department could investigate,” reported the Associated Press late Friday night.

An unnamed Justice Department source also reportedly told the AP that the FBI would not be able to investigate because the crimes were not committed within its jurisdiction.

Susannah Sirkin, deputy director of Physicians for Human Rights, called the administration’s position “absurd,” according to the report.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/10/bush-probe-mass-afghan-slayings/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 07/11/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 100 fans permalink

The FBI can't investigate crimes committed by the CIA.

That would be rude.

The "Northern Alliance" were acting in concert with the CIA long before the US officially invaded Afghanistan. It won't be investigated because that would lead right back to George Tenet, Bill Clinton, George Bush and the Congressional committees overseeing (?) the CIA.

We can't have that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/11/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 127 fans permalink

It'sall Clinton's fault?

That is so 90's.

Do you ebven know who Dostrum is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 07/12/2009
- Raziorizzo I'm a Fan of Raziorizzo 2 fans permalink

obama should be impeached

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 07/11/2009
- BrainDart I'm a Fan of BrainDart 5 fans permalink
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based on????????­??????????­??? Agree or disagree with him, no allegations of law breaking -- which, in case you didn't know it, is what impeachment is about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 07/11/2009
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He hasn't done anything impeachable. It's not Obama's responsibility to put Bush in jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/11/2009
- GalenL I'm a Fan of GalenL 2 fans permalink

No it's the AG's...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 07/12/2009
- samlu1 I'm a Fan of samlu1 2 fans permalink

No grounds to investigate? There were no commercial planes on 9-11. Not one single piece of debris from ANY of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations from 9-11 has EVER been inspected, tested, analyzed, or verified in ANY WAY. The reason the US invaded Afghanistan is because of 4 commercial planes crashing. That is a murderous lie. Not one single person or agency anywhere on the planet has investigated the "planes" of 9-11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/11/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 127 fans permalink

Did I, and the rest of the world, just imagine those planes crashing into the World Trade Center buildings?

Mass, world wide hysteria?

WOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 07/12/2009
- GalenL I'm a Fan of GalenL 2 fans permalink

Take a video, any video of the WTC collapse - slow it down and tell me what you see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 07/12/2009
- samlu1 I'm a Fan of samlu1 2 fans permalink

Never in the history of aviation has a plane or plane crash EVER been verified by a photo or a witness. For a recent example look at TWA 800. There were 5 times more witnesses to TWA 800 than all witnesses of 9-11 combined. Every single witness for TWA 800 was completely ignored and not one was included in the crash report. The same thing happened for the 9-11 Commission. Witnesses verify nothing in terms of a plane crash. ONLY WRECKAGE AND DEBRIS FROM THE PLANE ITSELF can ever verify the plane. After 8 years not one single SPECK of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations has ever been inspected, tested, analyzed, or verified in any way. Nothing.

The images of 9-11 were brought to you by the US military contractors. The US military corporations own and control the US media corporations. For example GE owns NBC, Westinghouse owns CBS etc. The same people that brought you the "live images" of 9-11 have profited into the TRILLIONS of dollars because of 9-11. Were you under a mass hypnosis? Was the world under hypnosis regarding the WMD's in Iraq?

Maintaining the lies of 9-11 is essential because once the world understands that there were no commercial planes on 9-11 the US government, military, media must be brought up on charges of mass murder?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 07/13/2009

One thing is almost certain...Obama will be a one-term loser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 07/11/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 127 fans permalink

And you are just as certain GW Bush will go down in history as a great, no mak that greatest president in history.

Please spare us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 07/13/2009
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