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Pope presses Obama on abortion, stem cells

VICTOR L. SIMPSON and BEN FELLER   07/10/09 10:29 PM ET   AP

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VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI stressed the church's opposition to abortion and stem cell research in his first meeting with President Barack Obama on Friday, pressing the Vatican's case with the U.S. leader who is already under fire on those issues from some conservative Catholics and bishops back home.

The 30-minute meeting Vatican audience was described by both sides as positive _ constructive talks between two men who agree on helping the poor and pushing for Middle East peace but disagree on what the Vatican considers prime ethical issues.

"It's a great honor," Obama said, greeting the pope and thanking him for this first meeting.

Afterward, the Vatican said the leaders discussed immigration, the Middle East peace process and aid to developing nations. But the Vatican's statement also underscored the pair's deep disagreement on abortion.

"In the course of their cordial exchanges, the conversation turned first of all to questions which are in the interest of all and which constitute a great challenge ... such as the defense and promotion of life and the right to abide by one's conscience," the statement said.

Even in his gift to the U.S. leader, the pope sought to underscore his beliefs. Benedict gave Obama a copy of a Vatican document on bioethics that hardened the church's opposition to using embryos for stem cell research, cloning and in-vitro fertilization. Obama supports stem cell research.

"Yes, this is what we had talked about," Obama said, telling the pope he would read it on the flight to his next stop, Ghana.

Earlier, the pope's secretary, the Rev. Georg Ganswein, told reporters the document would "help the president better understand the position of the Catholic church."

Benedict's spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, insisted the talks between the two leaders were not "polemical" and that the issues in the 2008 document were known to be of special interest to the church in America. He said Benedict told him after the meeting that Obama pledged to seek to reduce abortions, a promise the president made publicly during a visit to Notre Dame University that was contested by conservatives.

Denis McDonough, a deputy White House national security aide, said of the pope and Obama, "They discussed a range of those issues, and I think the president was eager to listen to the Holy Father." He said Obama was "eager to find common ground on these issues and to work aggressively to do that."

Bu he said there may be some issues on which they can't agree.

McDonough said the topics discussed included interfaith dialogue, a shared desire for Middle East peace, the president's effort to reach out to Muslims, a mutual desire to fight militarism and extremism and a shared interest in overhauling immigration rules and practices.

Some Catholic activists and American bishops have been outspoken in their criticism of Obama, though polls have shown he received a majority of Catholic votes.

"There's no question what the pope made his priority," said John Allen, a Vatican expert for the National Catholic Reporter. "When other leaders visited him this week they were only given his new encyclical."

Obama is very popular in Italy, and hundreds of people lining the broad avenue leading to St. Peter's Square cheered his limousine as it went by. Obama waved.

His election presented a challenge for the Vatican after eight years of common ground with President George W. Bush in opposing abortion, an issue that drew them together despite Vatican opposition to the war in Iraq.

But the Vatican has been openly interested in Obama's views and scheduled an unusual afternoon meeting to accommodate him at the end of his Italian stay for a G-8 summit in the earthquake-stricken city of L'Aquila.

L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's daily newspaper, gave Obama a positive review after his first 100 days in office. In a front-page editorial, it said that even on ethical questions Obama hadn't confirmed the "radical" direction he discussed during the campaign.

Tensions grew in the spring when Obama was invited to receive an honorary degree at the leading U.S. Catholic university, Notre Dame. Dozens of U.S. bishops denounced the university, and the local bishop pointedly declined to attend the ceremony.

Former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, who now heads a Vatican tribunal, accused Obama of pursuing anti-life and antifamily agendas. He called it a "scandal" that Notre Dame had invited him to speak.

As a child in Indonesia, Obama's Muslim father enrolled him in Catholic school for a few years. Obama is a Protestant.

McDonough, the Obama national security aide, spoke to reporters about the influence of Catholic social teaching on Obama, saying the president "expresses many things that many Catholics recognize as fundamental to our teaching."

In an interview with Catholic journalists before meeting the pope, Obama said he would tell Benedict of his concern that the global financial crisis not be "borne disproportionally by the most poor and vulnerable countries."

Just this week, Benedict issued a major document calling for a new world financial order guided by ethics and a search for the common good, denouncing a profit-at-all-cost mentality blamed for the global financial meltdown.

As Obama has pledged to step up efforts for Middle East peace through a two-state solution, Benedict made a similar appeal during a trip in May to Jordan, Israel and the Palestinian territories. He issued the Vatican's strongest call yet for a Palestinian state.

Obama's wife, Michelle, joined him at the end of the meeting with Benedict, and gifts were exchanged. Daughters Malia and Sasha, who accompanied their parents on the trip, also met the pope.

Obama gave Benedict a letter from Sen. Edward Kennedy, who was diagnosed a year ago with brain cancer. McDonough said Obama asked the pope to pray for Kennedy, a member of one of the United States' most prominent Roman Catholic families and a politically ally of the president.

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09:36 PM on 07/15/2009
There is an estimated 1 billion Catholics world wide, I would think at least some of those care what the ultimate leader of their church thinks. Actually, I care what he has to say. He is quite an intelligent, educated man with an amazing life experience and the leader of the oldest existing institution in the world.

Is it possible that faith and intelligence can be found in the same place? Is it possible that some truth is hard to hear and understanding can only come to an open mind with patience and humility. Seek and you shall find, but you have to really seek.
10:37 PM on 07/16/2009
When the Pope can differentiate contraception and abortion and not equate the using of condoms to infanticide then faith and intelligence can be found in the same place.
06:05 PM on 07/15/2009
Why does the Huffington Post protect this guy called Pope ... I will say again, who cares what he thinks ..
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
12:03 AM on 07/16/2009
Perhaps the 1 billion people who call themselves Catholics?!
Semper fi
10:38 PM on 07/16/2009
Catholics in paper only.
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Ipanemagirl
progressive
03:22 PM on 07/15/2009
Obama just needs to nod, be polite to the old man (pope), but not take the man seriously or conceed to any of his irrational demands. What can one learn from someone who looks poverty in the face and still refuses to accept birth control? Where in the Bible does it say we should have more kids than we can afford to raise well?How is he helping the millions of children abandoned in the streets everywhere?
I think that is why we were given a brain...Not a head to wear a hat but to think and judge for ourselves and adapt to the changes and demands of our ever changing society. Maybe in "Adam and Eve" days, we needed to multiply and be fruitful, (cavemen) but that is not the case today in an ever over populated world and dwindling resources, climate changes, pollution, and what not. We survived thus far because we have adapted to the changes...otherwise we would have long become extinct.
I think the GOP is going down that same road, being so stubborn to change and over conservative, they become sort of the party of the obsolete.
02:39 AM on 07/14/2009
This seems like a long list of hate fest against Catholicism and the Pope and very short on facts and rational thought.

I wasn't only raised Catholic, I am Catholic. who actually decided continue to really learn about my faith. The Pope doesn't want to control women but to elevate them, protect their dignity as beings created in the image of God.

Abortion strips women of their dignity. Abortion enables sexually promiscuous men to take advantage of women. Abortion is death anyway you want to slice it. stopping a beating human heart. Not something to be embraced, promoted or condoned. It is an abuse of an unborn child and an abuse a woman, who believing they have no other choice, must kill their own baby; like a trapped animal gnawing off their own foot to escape a trap. When we stop protecting the life of all people we make our own lives vulnerable.

As long as the church is made up of fallible human beings it will make mistakes. But if followed, its beliefs and teachings call us to live a life that is really alive. Christ, acting within the people of the church, gives us the power to be better people and to make a better world if we choose to engage, trust, and have faith. It gives us a relationship with our Creator.

Before setting yourself in judgment of the Popes, read what they wrote (Mulieris Dignitatem by John Paul II). Educate yourself to have a worthy opinion.
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03:29 PM on 07/15/2009
Not everybody believes in Religion the way you do, so if abortion does not make sence for you , thats fine, dont have one. But dont interfere in other peoples choice if they think differently than you and dont perceive this as murder, just as an interrupted pregnancy for a good reason, usually to avoid putting a child into a bad situation , unwanted or unable to be cared for , or sick or even deformed and damaged. Its their child and their decision since they are in charge of caring for it. Not you.I think the religious people should mind their own business and not obcess about running other people' s lives by their own personal beliefs. Amen!
07:42 PM on 07/12/2009
All these complaints about pedophiles! And all the love you had for Micheal Jackson!
07:29 PM on 07/12/2009
There is no reason for the President, or anybody anywhere, to take what the pope says seriously. His beliefs are based entirely on a mythological fiction, and have no reasonable place in issues concerning science.

This a guy who's living in the stone age. His views have no relevance to the modern world. I'm sure his intentions are good, but he should be taken no more seriously than a person who believes Santa Claus lives at the north pole with flying reindeer.
07:53 PM on 07/12/2009
Thanks for your support of diversity and respecting other cultures. It's good to know the left has so many open minded people!
07:57 PM on 07/12/2009
If people want to believe that fictional mythology is real, that's their own business, but there's no reason to pretend that it's rational. If somebody told you they believed there was a giant magic talking frog on the moon, and that it created humanity, and had three human children with supernatural powers who lived here 4000 years ago, would you think that person is a somebody with rational beliefs? And would you take any opinion of theirs seriously which was derived from that belief?

It's nonsense. Why should I act like it isn't?
09:31 PM on 07/12/2009
The nerve of you to talk about supporting diversity and other cultures.. Pot, Kettle Black.
Drink your common sense juice
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07:24 PM on 07/12/2009
My faith hasn't waivered, but the Vatican has lost all credibility with me. This Pope is being controlled. I think about Pope John Paul I...and I have questions that remain unanswered.
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/11nov/killpope.html
06:52 PM on 07/12/2009
Sorry, Mr. Ratzinger, you are not in charge of the United States of America. Now go pay your lawyer bills for all those sexual-abuse cases.
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12:45 PM on 07/13/2009
just a tad bit of misdirected animosity?
03:52 PM on 07/12/2009
religion brings the LOLZ into common sense...
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
03:35 PM on 07/12/2009
Come over to the Dark Side, Luke. It is your destiny....
02:40 PM on 07/12/2009
I can see that there is a lot of love for Catholics here.

As a former Catholic myself, I am no fan of this current Pope and his administration. I have a serious problem with a system that excommunicates a mother and her pre-teen daughter for an abortion performed to save the child's life. The child was repeated raped by an adult, who is still a member of the church. The message being sent by Benedict and his army is very clear; women have no value and our lives are worth nothing.

Thank goodness I came to my senses and realized that I could have a direct relationship with the divine.
03:20 PM on 07/12/2009
Good for you! The Catholic church is all about control.
07:20 PM on 07/12/2009
Link?
09:30 PM on 07/12/2009
You don't need a link, what you need is some common sense juice.
02:09 PM on 07/12/2009
I'm a Recovering Catholic man. I resent Bennie's insistance on dragging the Church back into the Middle Ages with his blockheaded stance on abortion; also his continued coddling of pedophile priests.
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01:49 PM on 07/12/2009
When I think back on all the crap I learned in "Catholic" high school.

(played to tune of Paul Simon's Kodachrome)
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A neutron walks into a bar...
04:07 PM on 07/12/2009
I love that song.
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Hirnlego
01:45 PM on 07/12/2009
The pope has a nicer dress ;)
04:55 AM on 07/12/2009
The Pope gave him an earful, how many abortions are there in the World?
09:36 AM on 07/12/2009
POPEY DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT CHILD RAPE BY HIS PRIESTS?
01:58 PM on 07/12/2009
no, because they only rape boys....
01:59 PM on 07/12/2009
or, you could say babies don't matter after they're born.....