Gay Couple Detained After Kissing On Plaza Owned By Mormon Church

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ELIZABETH WHITE | 07/10/09 11:37 PM | AP

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SALT LAKE CITY — A gay couple say they were detained by security guards on a plaza owned by the Mormon church and later cited by police, claiming it stemmed from a kiss on the cheek.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said that the men became argumentative and refused to leave after being asked to stop their "inappropriate behavior." The men say they were targeted because they are gay.

Matt Aune said he and his partner, Derek Jones, were walking home from a concert nearby on Thursday night, cutting through the plaza near the Salt Lake City Mormon temple.

Aune, 28, said he gave Jones, 25, a hug and kiss and that the two were then approached by a security guard, who asked them to leave, telling them they were being inappropriate and that public displays of affection aren't allowed on the property. He said other guards arrived and the men were handcuffed.

"We asked what we were doing wrong," Aune told The Associated Press.

Church spokeswoman Kim Farah said in a statement Friday that the men were "politely asked to stop engaging in inappropriate behavior _ just as any other couple would have been."

"They became argumentative and used profanity and refused to leave the property," she said. The church did not immediately respond to a request for more comment.

Police later arrived and both men were cited with misdemeanor trespassing, Salt Lake City Police Sgt. Robin Snyder said.

"It doesn't matter what they were asked to leave for," Snyder said. "If they are asked to leave and don't they are ... trespassing."

The church has been the target of protests over its support of a ban on gay marriage in California.

SALT LAKE CITY — A gay couple say they were detained by security guards on a plaza owned by the Mormon church and later cited by police, claiming it stemmed from a kiss on the cheek. The Church o...
SALT LAKE CITY — A gay couple say they were detained by security guards on a plaza owned by the Mormon church and later cited by police, claiming it stemmed from a kiss on the cheek. The Church o...
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- HCB7562002 I'm a Fan of HCB7562002 5 fans permalink

Well - of course. I mean, after all, it's God's home and we certainly would not want to sully that holy place with a "public display of affection." It's "God" who is "love" - not all you idiots who think you understand and believe it's ok to show other people you care about each other. Did you not realize, for example, that mothers are not permitted to hold their babies in their laps in the church? No - they must be in an attractive carrier that can fit under the seat in front of the mother. And before you get the idea the church is just a bunch of foolish mean people, remember that what you were always taught about Jesus Christ is wrong. It is NOT "love thy neighbor" and so forth. It is, "don't make me mad or I'll bring the lightning out."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 07/12/2009
- W i l l I'm a Fan of W i l l 27 fans permalink
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Ya just can't make it easy for any church to be in the right. You have to frustrate them, not justify the skew on their twisted philosophy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 07/12/2009
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amen...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 07/12/2009
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especially on a Sunday..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 07/12/2009
- i5kfun I'm a Fan of i5kfun 3 fans permalink
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They were detained after not heeding the warnings of the private property owners to vacate the premises. But hey, thanks for the misleading headline HuffPo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/12/2009
- MikeHermit I'm a Fan of MikeHermit 44 fans permalink
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This "Private" property is public property illegally obtained by the LDS church, sold illegally by LDS mebers of the SLC Council. A N-S section of the second busiest street in downtown SLC know as Main Street. Only thing worse for pubic vehicle and pedestrian traffic would be if they sold a portion of State Street.

I wonder if Google shows this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 07/12/2009

I just want to say this:- I do have a problem with public displays of affection, especially when children are around, in saying this , that property belongs to the church and if they asked them to leave, whether they thought they were wrong or not , they should have. Sometimes we make a big deal out of very small issues, if this indeed was government property , by all means go ahead in this case those people as property owners has the right to ask them to leave. There is no running around this, however bad it may seem. Im not speaking of this couple but people tend to get carried away in public sometimes and they forget that children are around. Its not good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 07/12/2009
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yeah, start kissing and the next thing you know, you have, children could it be...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 07/12/2009
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it is so true... I had one 16 yrs ago TODAY....and it all started with a kiss...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 07/12/2009
- MikeHermit I'm a Fan of MikeHermit 44 fans permalink
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Affection is so bad it should be outlawed to spare the poor children from seeing it. It must be repressed. It is unnatural and unhuman. How dare anyone (except the newly married in the temple) show affection?

What we need is a world completely lacking in such an abomination as affection. It causes our children to be expressive. Do we not have them already on enough riddelin type drugs to control this without needing even more?

Protect the children from PDA. Sign the petition below.

But read to them the Bible. Chock full of rape, murder, war, human sacrafice, pestilence. Otherwise known as "The Good Book".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 07/12/2009

MikeHermit - that said it all does it not? Religion has it all backwards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 07/12/2009
- jnutlfam2 I'm a Fan of jnutlfam2 9 fans permalink

You don't know do you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/12/2009

SO I guess you wouldn't show your husband any affection in front of your children? So your kids would never know that affection between to loving a consenting adults is good? SO your kids won't see a loving healthy relationship in action so they may learn to have one? and if PDA in front of children is "inappropriate " then what about PDA towards your kids? is that inappropriate as well? I think what you are wanting to say without really to saying it is that you do not think PDA between people of the same sex is appropriate and THAT is what makes you uncomfortable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/12/2009
- gschear I'm a Fan of gschear 72 fans permalink
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Hmmm.
Humans showing affection is bad.
Gun camera images of exploding human flesh is good.

First person shooter games are ok for a child but God help them if they see tenderness.

As a nation and a culture we are truly FUBAR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/12/2009
- LintLass I'm a Fan of LintLass 23 fans permalink

So, a kiss on the cheek means people should be swarmed by guards and slapped in handcuffs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/12/2009
- Bude I'm a Fan of Bude 166 fans permalink
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"Show some respect to the laws of God"? In this country we start by showing some respect to the laws of man.

In every state in America, the actions of the security guards is called Unlawful Restraint. It is a crime. The Mormons have lots of dough. Get out the checkbook.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 07/12/2009
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jesus, joseph smith, and mary...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 07/12/2009
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hey, didn't we just go through this some where else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 07/12/2009
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taco anyone...:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 07/12/2009
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is that a Burrito in your pants or you just happy to see me?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 07/12/2009
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geez, if they had been kissing gold plates they'd be welcomed....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 07/12/2009
- Bude I'm a Fan of Bude 166 fans permalink
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Or if they had spit on the couple, it would be a sacrament.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 AM on 07/12/2009
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would've been celestial...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 07/12/2009
- psa613 I'm a Fan of psa613 2 fans permalink
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Homosexulality is an offfense to the Mormon church. the Catholic church, the Christian churches, the Jewish faith and the Muslim faith. Show some respect to the laws of God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 07/12/2009
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he with the department of law ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 07/12/2009
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just jumping in here so my Morrison tat can be next to MrMojoRisin...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 07/12/2009
- MikeHermit I'm a Fan of MikeHermit 44 fans permalink
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Yes, the same Department of Law that protects the President. Palin should have had such a department in Alaska to protect her from those nasty ethics complaints.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/12/2009
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"show some respect for the laws of God" Isn't that pretty much what the pharasees said to Jesus. Follow God's laws yourself and don't try to police people into following them. People can be influenced more with love than with a beat down or orders being barked at them. I don't have to agree with people to support their way of life or who they are inside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 07/12/2009
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pay them no mind M, they are more of a poleeese state mentallity...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 07/12/2009
- psa613 I'm a Fan of psa613 2 fans permalink
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"show some respect for the laws of God" Isn't that pretty much what the pharasees said to Jesus. Jesus IS God. You cant compare Jesus to the law and the gay couple to the law.
As to the policing thing... and barking....... there is a differnece between showing love to people that disagree with you and and tororated their differnces.
I wont tell you who I am or what i do.... but I have shown love and mercy and extreme compassion for the sick and dying homosexuals without reguard to their social,,political pov... I feel sorry for them more than anything esle but God's laws must prevail,not mine,yours or anybody elses'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 07/12/2009
- Hwgfy I'm a Fan of Hwgfy 13 fans permalink

I didn't know he was such a bigot. If God made people in his own image does that mean he is gay too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 AM on 07/12/2009
- menmykoko I'm a Fan of menmykoko 11 fans permalink
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Uh oh! I sense some cognitive dissonance about to boil up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 07/12/2009

Actually, homosexuality is an offense to the hypocrit shysters masquerading as faithful Mormons, Catholics, members of other Christian faiths, Judaism, and Islam. But we can agree that people like them, and like you, should definitely learn to respect the laws of God. That would be most welcome indeed. I suggest you learn why it is better to be a good Samaritan than a Pharisee. A lesson you should have mastered by the time you were 6 years old if you were one tenth the Christian, I suspect you think you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 07/12/2009

If the "laws" of your mythical God mean hating and discriminating against our brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers who happen to be gay - then I want nothing of your "God". The Atheists I know (of which I am one) are much more accepting, loving and tolerant than your old testament hate mongerors will ever be. I say we set up a country where you can all live together and kill each other in the name of your "Gods". Then we will have the planet to remake for the rest of us rational, scientific believing humans. Ahhhh, if only. By the way - I am an ex-Mormon gay person who has an inside view of the machinations of this so-called religion. It ain't pretty...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 07/12/2009
- menmykoko I'm a Fan of menmykoko 11 fans permalink
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I concur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 07/12/2009

Believing in any religion requires a leap of faith, just the word "believe" means that you really don't know other wise if you did there would be no reason to believe. Religion requires a lack of knowing the truth as in knowledge. There are some that are better than others that are based upon enlightenment and truth rather than on faith and hope. Countless souls have paved the road to hell believing in religion. The greatest threat to humanity is religion. Religion mask the inner truth of self realization, and that is we are all God.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 07/12/2009

Don't kid yourself. What you believe in has just as much to do with "faith" as Mormons or any other faithful tradition does. You put your faith in different things. Your statement, "religion requires lack of knowing," is totally misrepresentative. Maybe religion requires learning to know in different ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 07/12/2009

NY700...Wrong...

I believe in REALITY. I am sitting in my house in Florida and looking at the water. I can breathe the air and know that I am breathing. I can see and then touch the water, and know that it is water. My friends and family around me will also not take my word for it and see for themselves that REALITY is correct. religion is FANTASY!! That is why there have been MILLIONS of religions. Anyone, including myself can spout off and make up any "heaven or Gods" that we want - and it will not be any less Valid than the so-called traditional religions which managed to supplant through brute force the other millions of religions. Religion is for the weak minded who are afraid to think for themselves. Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 07/12/2009
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I'm not gay and I'm a Christian. However, Security guards? This pisses me off to no end. I just may show up there with a male friend, kiss him and see them try to cuff me. I assure you i won't go quietly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 07/12/2009
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I would say I will stand behind you on this one.. but you might not trust that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 07/12/2009

I think the Mormon church should issue an apology to the world for sending out tens of thousands of missionaries to trespass on private property. They should acknowledge that they spend billions on training and maintaining this force of trespassers with the sole intent of harassing and violating personal time, property, and beliefs. All missionaries should be called home immediately and all missionary efforts permanently halted.

The Mormon church thinks that a fractional second kiss on the check is pushing an agenda on their property. Fifty thousand human years are expended each year by the full time missionary force strenuously pushing the Mormon agenda on private property world wide. This does not count all of the Mormon colleagues, supposed friends, and neighbors who engage in the same behavior. Then there are the millions spent on media advertising for Mormonism. All of this is the true hypocrisy in the matter.

Mormons have way more than the proverbial beam in their own eyes. The Mormon missionary effort is MANY, MANY orders of magnitude worse in terms of trespassing and violation of rights. When the Mormon church ends ALL missionary efforts then Mormons will have grounds to defend their guards overreaction. As it now stands every word Mormons utter and write on this topic is really a massive condemnation of their 50,000 missionaries and several million active members who engage in missionary efforts of one form or another. A few second kiss vs. billions of dollars and millions of hours of effort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 07/12/2009
- LintLass I'm a Fan of LintLass 23 fans permalink

Ha! Yes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 07/12/2009
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Last comment tonight...

Just remember the "detention" wasn't for kissing as the headline implies. I don't have a problem with that. A peck on the cheek, if that's what it was, seems pretty normal and acceptable. Also normal and acceptable would be a soft response if security politely asked you not to do something, whether kissing or something else.

Public hissyfits, shouted vulgarities and refusing to leave are perfectly good reasons to be ejected from private property, especially if it's church property. Acting like militants looking for a forum does not make them victims.

So maybe we could come to a meeting of the minds on something...
A kiss shouldn't offend anyone.
Going ballistic without cause does no good for the quest for tolerance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 AM on 07/12/2009
- Disuberence I'm a Fan of Disuberence 130 fans permalink
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Why are none of these people approached for PDA? Why are they not kicked out too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 07/12/2009

Mort - read the article. They gave each other a peck on the cheek. THe security guards would not allow them to leave. I think also if you had been walking through there hand in hand with your wifey poo - and then gave her a peck on the check - only to have the mafia of the religion of the holy underwear turn up - I think we would all protest a bit. Don't you think that was completely over the top???? You would be angry also. Too bad Heteros can't put themselves in gay peoples shoes. Seems to me I rememeber a guy (mythical or not) who said "Do unto others"????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 07/12/2009
- MarcusT I'm a Fan of MarcusT 78 fans permalink
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Don't try to rationalize or defend your church. Go if you must but go quietly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 07/12/2009
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I was raised in the LDS church and left it when I was sixteen in protest over the church not allowing African American men to hold the priesthood. After thirty-eight years I have rejoined the LDS church after discovering a loving and compassionate community that also has a deeper spiritual commitment to following Jesus Christ than any other church I ever joined. I remain a proud liberal and believe that the LDS church is taking the wrong position over gays just as they did with African Americans forty years ago. I would also like to point out that they are not the only church that opposes gays. Look at the Anglican, Baptist, Catholic and even Jewish religions. Imagine if two men tried to kiss at the wailing wall in Jerusalem or at the Vatican. They are all wrong in their understanding of what it means to be gay. No one chooses to be gay. You are born gay. I believe that the LDS church has a greater capacity to eventually change their doctrine regarding gays. Can we say the same about all of the other churches that oppose gays? It's easy to attack the LDS church because there is so much misinformation about it. If you are going to attack one church then you must be fair and attack all of the churches that are anti-gay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 AM on 07/12/2009

It is unfair for your to make a blanket statement about Judaism and opposition to homosexuality. Reform, Reconstructionist and Conservative branches all celebrate and marry gay couples. They all welcome gay people in their Rabbinate as well. One of the loudest Jewish voices in support of gay marriage came from Rabbi Denise Eger of Congregation Kol Ami.

Only the orthodox interpret the Torah literally with regards to homosexuality. But even they have a famous openly gay Rabbi by the name of Steven Greenberg.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 07/12/2009
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I stand corrected. I do recall however that there were incidents of gay-bashing by extremist orthodox Jews in Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 07/12/2009
- BigBagel I'm a Fan of BigBagel 32 fans permalink
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Jewish religious scriptures demand the death of homosexuals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 07/12/2009
- JSDKoeln I'm a Fan of JSDKoeln 4 fans permalink

continued from previous...

Don't give me this crud about the LDS church being so compassionate. I believe it to be nothing more than a Stepford cult. You guys can't even get your stories straight. There were a couple of snake oil salesmen from the 1800s that deemed themselves profits and the ignorant followers just did that, followed. And you based a religion on a couple of snake oil salesmen. There is also the reformed LDS church that has a different take on the shenanigans of the current LDS corporation... and yes, that is what it is, pure and simple, a corporation. IF the LDS church did not illegally donate to the prop h8 campaign, then they would be out of the spotlight. They DID. It was ILLEGAL. You do the crime then you reap the consequences of that crime.

I have no doubt that these two guys did get haughty for being approached by the security guards. There is a rule on the property that disallows ANY display of affection (typical stepford crud). But, one has to wonder if it were a straight couple, the guards would not even have looked twice. If I put money on that I would be a millionaire!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 AM on 07/12/2009
- BigBagel I'm a Fan of BigBagel 32 fans permalink
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All religions are cults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 07/12/2009

No offense, but come on, why would you join a group of people who believe such a blatantly ludicrous story?

You honestly believe joe smith talked to a magical supernatural angel, found mystical golden tablets, etc?

Come on now. It's sillier than believing in Santa! What possibly made you take such undeniable nonsense as truth? Do you really, really believe such absurdity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 07/12/2009
- Disuberence I'm a Fan of Disuberence 130 fans permalink
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Read them from a hat, no one else could see them... and then he buried them and they were lost forever, or something.

I mean... K.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 AM on 07/12/2009
- DKLabRat I'm a Fan of DKLabRat 8 fans permalink

And Christians don't believe an equally ludicrous story? Or Muslims? That is the essence of faith - to blindly believe and follow something without question which has no basis in logic, simply because you're told to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 07/12/2009

With all my heart.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 07/12/2009

Wow! I was raised LDS also - my father was a Brigham Young professor - and my mother a direct descendent of the prophet. I left the church (cult) when I was 17 - since I am gay and the hate and hysteria that the church directed toward gay people was and is horrendous. I realised after getting a university education and questioning my beliefs - that it was all a load of crap!! I mean puuuuhhleeeez!! Joe Smith and the whole golden plates thing? You would seriously have to be high to believe this - but boy oh boy did they indoctrinate me to be a good little stepford Mormon clone. - who went about spouting nonsense to people like it was the truth. DNA proves that the book of Mormon is completely made up and FALSE! I look back on those days and CRINGE....Although I appreciate your somewhat liberal attitude for a Mormon - too bad that you felt you needed to go back to the cult. That is the problem with religion in general - you have to make excuses for alot of the inherently false belief systems. Why not just be true to yourself and have no need for any religion. I am glad that you find them loving and compassionate - because as a gay men - I find them some of the most hateful, bigoted Aholes on the planet. How would your like your marriage nullified and then forced to pay taxes to sustain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 07/12/2009
- Martee I'm a Fan of Martee 11 fans permalink

"Kiss in" anyone??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 07/12/2009
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I don't know, are ya tongue hung like Gene Simmons?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 07/12/2009
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