Wall Street Journal:
A secret Central Intelligence Agency initiative terminated by Director Leon Panetta was an attempt to carry out a 2001 presidential authorization to capture or kill al Qaeda operatives, according to former intelligence officials familiar with the matter.
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What a great idea. Lets eliminate the people that want to kill innocent Americans because they are envious of our way of life. Now if only the CIA can get rid of Panetta, then maybe we can get something accomplished.
after Iraq, none of us are innocent anymore
So I guess all 300 million of us sent troops into Iraq? Wow, we have a big congress.
[because they are envious of our way of life.]
No wonder you righties can never win wars. With your complete lack of empathy, you cannot even guess at the motivations of the other side.
excellent point
You're right - we should empathize with al Qaeda, because their motivations are legitimate. Obama certainly recognizes this when he states publicly that bin Laden should be killed.
no wander you lefries can never win war. You never see difference between us and our enemies...
have you ever fired an empathy? what ammo does it use?
Kanuk1 this is a reminder from a genuine progressive revolutionary (who BTW woul dbe targetd by Cheney and McChrystal if he were here today)
"The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may commence persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right on a legal basis is while our rulers are honest and ourselves united. From the conclusion of their war for independence, a nation begins going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves but in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of [that] war will remain on [them] long, will be made heavier and heavier, till [their] rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion." --Thomas Jefferson
Rupert Murdoch is operating in the sole pursuit of making money. His interest in your rights exists not a whit.
...and at this moment the Obama Admin. is arguing for greater powers to spy upon you than Bush did. He is not pursuing Bush et al for their obvious crimes, he is, in fact continuing their policies almost to a T.
LOL
While I appreciate this, there's no point in conversing with "people" like Kanuk1. He couldn't find a cogent point if it was stapled to his forehead.
Breaking News from the WSJ: GM, Chrysler and Ford all have secret programs to manufacture cars, biggest shock since it was discovered that America's Farmer's had secret plans to grow food.
the real secret plan: to quietly take over american media sources, to direct and control national policy.... how does a guy from australia get to come to american and get the bush administration to make exceptions to rules of law so that he can monopolize but printed and tv news...to peek into yours and your childrens private life with facebook social networking... WSJ... controling fianacial news
he is proably the most powerful man in this country... is he an american....
yep - american citizen - got a problem because he may not agree with your political position?
The CIA took in took it upon themselves to even call Americans "enemies as well" Americans killing Americans over .......constitutional power absue, don't be naive with all the illegal programs.. title 18,666.. Sy Hersh and many others have much to report based on facts not imagination/creation
Agreed, Sy Hersh is an excellent source on this subject.
WSJ = FOX = Op Ed for CIA. This WSJ story is factually inacurate. GW gave orders to have OBL killed or captured and sent Delta Force to do the job with Afghan rebels. The standing order to kill or capture AQ members is well known.
Congress was not briefed on a specific program because the CIA says it was not operational. The program to kill or captur AQ members has been operational since 9/ 11. Recall the deck of cards with AQ members in order of rank.
Seymour Hersh is a very good source.
This was the big scandal? What is the difference of this and having drowns drop bombs on suspected Al Qaeda camps and suspected hide outs? Which mind you we are still doing today.
No, this is the propaganda to distract from the real scandal.
It isn't a scandal. The entire thing is destructive because Nancy P has a bee in her bonnet.
"I've Seen 1,200 Torture Photos" :
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/13/752875/-Ive-Seen-1,200-Torture-Photos
Oh geez.
I couldn't find the ones that showed anyone being beheaded, nor could I find any that would be considered "torture". I wonder how many folks that got crushed on 9/11 would of preferred to change places with these "torture" victims.
ain't that the truth!
How many American soldiers would you like to see treated the same way we treated those suspects?
Obviously, the article was only part of the true story. No one will ever get the real story regarding anything that the CIA does. Mostly for good reasons. There does need to be a good balance between Congressional approval, secrecy, and illegal activities by our own government. I'm liberal, but I also believe that if need be, one to the back of the head to those that wish to destroy us is necessary at times. I really don't see why Cheney or whoever had to go this route to begin with nor to I pretend to know how everything at that level operates.
The above post is a positive example of good old American Common Sense.
Fanned.
[There does need to be a good balance between Congressional approval, secrecy, and illegal activities by our own government]
You shouldn't be, since that sounds decidedly anti-Rushpublican. Dubya was unbalanced in every way, shape, and form.
All you need to remember is that Rupert Murdoch owns the WSJ...
I'm glad it's not NBC (GE)
Yes I get that. Would you agree that even conspiring to put "one to the back of the head" of innocent people that are put on a list for political reasons and not because they pose a threat to American Citizens should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law? Regardless of the skin color, political party, or the amount of wealth or power possesed by the perpatrator of such an act or acts.
We are not talking about American citizens, but al Qaeda operatives. There is a difference.
absolutely not - they should be given a medal
Let's get this straight. Just because DC might have been involved, Dems are siding with al Qaeda?
LOL you need to sharpen your point
yep - these lefty fruitcakes have it bad
so what are you, 18? 20?
You know what they say. The enemy of my enemy, etc.
worked out well both OBL and the USA opposed russia in afghanistan----they were on the same side -talk about palin around with terrorists
You didn't get it straight.
Pleeeaaassseee Dim's stay right where you are on this one. I beg you.
Your permanent rupublican majority is down to 21% of the electorate. If thats what your banking on then I hope you are payed attention to the last election. That dog don't hunt anymore!
No...the agency "spent money on planning and possibly some training." The agency spent money paying people off for their services. You have made no justification for keeping this program secret. We already have "predator" unmanned airplanes carrying out asassinations and certainly would not oppose the killing of Al-Qaeda operatives. This story is bogus, please investigate.
On the face of this article there is a significant problem. We know that Bush gave orders to kill or capture OBL when the Delta Force team was sent to Tora Bora. Cheney and the CIA said plainly they did not brief Congress on this secret program because the program was never operational. This is false.
There is a big disconnect between what is a matter of public record on this "secret" program and what is being said publicly about this secret program. Congress needs to open up the shop and do some hard core inspection.
Right. We need to level the playing field and let Al Qaeda know what we're doing at all times.
Do you ever wonder why the American public is not that comfortable trusting Democrats with national defense?
Ramirez, I'll tell you how goofy these lefty's are. A guy was on radio last night and was saying seriously what you are jesting about. That we need to forewarn before bombing inorder to be civilized, to have best defense lawyers available for their trials, and for our soldiers to have Miranda cards with them. I'm serious, thats how nuts these people are.
LOL man right on.
If only al Qaeda had an internationally-published newspaper so they could tell us all about their plots and where they're going to attack next. That would indeed level the playing field.
Let us continue this debate through the 2010 elections. Please, pretty please, Dems.
after eight years of you crying wolf, Americans don't get all sceeered when you conservatives start up with the tales of doom and gloom anymore
We are going to end your dreams a lot earlier than that. Your heros no longer set the agenda.
let me get thios right..... there has been a secret plan to kill bin laden ..... is that why bush let him go , so cheney could tell us tell us he got him using "the secret cia plan"....... is that why mccain claimes that he knew where bin laden was during the campaign and was going to get him after he won the electio????????
this is such a joke...
oh.. by the way, i'm waiting for WSJ to report the secret republican to fix the ecomony, but i quess we'll have to wait until the 2012 election....they want to make sure that we have lost enough jobs so that when they send the illegal aliens back across the border, they will be able to replace them with american workers at the same pay rate..
another big secret.. how is it that everyone who criticizes obama's health care reform claims that it going to fail, but they never talk about their own health care plan(paid for with tax dollars)... tell us about they extremely good benetifits that you get that you don't want other americans to have.
Oh, we'll be discussing the ACTUAL operation by then.
Oh, wait. I get it. We have to Mirandize these guys first, right?
If you don't then treat them as prisoners of war
just as they do us, right?
that's the funniest/craziest part of all - can you imagine if we had to mirandize each and every prisoner captured in WW2 and provide them with free attorneys? The trials would still be going on! These fruitcake lefties really lost it on this one - so ridiculous as to be sick.
If this report from the WSJ is correct, what's the problem? This is what we do in war time. This is not Tee Ball!
Democrats should grow a pair or two quit sympathizing with the enemy.
It isn't correct. Its pro-Ch3n3y lies.
what's incorrect about it?
So???????????? What's the problem with that?
Rupert Murdoch owns what was once the most respectable of the hard right rags. It has deteriorated since then and their reportage is designed to manipulate you.
LOL you are funny
that's what we are all afraid of WAR...so the lesser the wars,the comfortable we all are.don't you think so?
The fact that you had to use "IF" should be your first clue sparky!
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First Posted: 07-12-09 10:20 PM | Updated: 07-12-09 11:05 PM