Lawmakers Won't Make Obama's Health Care Deadline

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PHILIP ELLIOTT | July 12, 2009 06:55 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Legislation to overhaul the nation's health systems is unlikely to make it through the House and Senate before the August target set by President Barack Obama and other Democratic leaders, lawmakers said Sunday.

Democrats and Republicans alike said the administration's sweeping health care proposals are moving forward on Capitol Hill but cautioned against rushing into a spending plan that could costs trillions of dollars over the next decade. Obama's health and human services secretary said she remains optimistic Congress would send the White House legislation before the year ends.

"I think everything is on the table and discussions are under way," HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said.

But the White House's strategy to leave the legislative back-and-forth to Congress has produced varying and sometimes contradictory versions of health care legislation _ along with delays. As the Senate turns its attention to Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor's confirmation hearings, the focus will turn away from Obama's top domestic priority.

The administration's Democratic partners in Congress hinted they would not deliver legislation before leaving town for an August recess. Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., said Obama should be pleased with lawmakers' progress; Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., said "there really is plenty of time."

And Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., insisted that lawmakers would have the overhaul in place before leaving town in August. He does not, however, expect Obama to sign it before lawmakers return to their home states.

The delay would be a blow to the White House and to Democrats' electoral prospects.

The House and Senate are working toward legislation that would deliver on Obama's popular goals from his presidential campaign, but they are hardly in unison. House Democrats have proposed raising taxes on wealthy Americans to pay for the plan. Democratic leaders, meanwhile, have tried to calm moderate and conservative lawmakers about a proposal that could make their re-election bids more difficult.

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Republicans, seizing on an issue that affects all Americans and has shown a glimmer for hope for an out-of-power political party, have lambasted the proposals as rash and irresponsible. They also see the issue as a way to win House and Senate seats in the 2010 midterm elections.

"I think the bigger issue here is why are we going to increase spending and health care by $1 trillion, $2 trillion, $3 trillion?" said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H. "Most of which we can't afford, add that to the debt or add it the tax burden of the American people. Why don't we approach this horse from the other end?"

Gregg and other GOP leaders have painted the Democrats' plan as a government takeover of health care delivery systems that leads to rationing of treatment and backlogs at doctors' offices. More broadly, Republicans have tied the plan to out-of-control spending and a bloated federal government.

"There is no chance that it's going to be done by August," said Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz. "President Obama was right about one thing: He said if it's not done quickly, it won't be done at all. Why did he say that? Because the longer it hangs out there, the more the American people are skeptical, anxious and even in opposition to it."

Even lawmakers absent from the Sunday morning news shows found a way to weigh in on the debate. Through his microblogging feed, Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, offered up a Twitter message to the Democrat who runs tax policy in the House, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.

"Chr Rangel wealthy 1pc make 27pc of total income pay 40pc of income tax U hv 5pc health care surTax How hi taxes go to satisfy u?Let's talk," Grassley wrote in the abbreviated blast.

Sebelius tried to calm jittery voters who fear Democrats' plan to tax some employer-provided health care benefits as income. She said the details are far from over.

"Well, the House has a version," she said, discounting any version as final. "There are a couple of different proposals being worked on in the Senate."

Sebelius, Stabenow, Conrad and Gregg appeared on CNN's "State of the Union." Schumer appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press." Kyl appeared on ABC's "This Week."

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Hear from an INSURACNE INSIDER about the way the insurance industry has destroyed AMerican healthcare. Bill Moyers interviewed a CIGNA vice prez. of 15 years who left the company and is now speaking out.
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2009/07/12

What we do not want is HMO mandates. We do not want more HMOs. We want LESS. What we need is a single payer national health plan with provate insurance sold as a luxury for those who want it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 07/13/2009
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BINGO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 07/13/2009
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Thank you. This program should be seen by the whole country. I hope somebody finds the way to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 07/13/2009

Let's see if any of the tr011s here - ANY of them - have an open enough mind to watch this entire video and then come back here and enlighten us as to their observations about it.

(Sound of crickets chirping..­.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 07/13/2009

Well, well, well. Two days later and still not one taker.

How interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 07/16/2009
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We-Are-The-Ones
Cute one liners are welcome. Many are funny or are sarcastic, not intended to be some tome on healthcare. Many people here make them.

At least her posts are not personal attacks.
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I don't agree with you. I challenged her on facts on the topic of this thread. She not only failed to respond, she gave a nonsensical reply.

You want politeness as your criterion, that is your problem. Don't tell me what I should do with Right Wingers, especially the polite ones. I consider them the worst kind, because they are not honest.

And this should be the last time you tell me what to do. OK? :-)
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 07/13/2009
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I can tell you whatever I wish. Feel free to ignore it if you wish. Strange that you do not want me to tell you what to do and then you turn around and tell me what to do. Can you say hypocrite?

AND you have a serious comprehension problem if you take my post as telling you anything. Read it again. I repeat it here for you ease "Cute one liners are welcome. Many are funny or are sarcastic, not intended to be some tome on healthcare. Many people here make them. At least her posts are not personal attacks."

Seems to me that SOME people here become the very extremists they claim to want to defeat. Extremism is extremism, in my view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 07/13/2009
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Ignored after the first sentence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 07/13/2009

You are so right. the declaration of independecne says we have the right to say whatever we want to when we want to. He can't tell you what to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/13/2009

Every time I see you on the threads you're in a battle with someone (unless sharing an e-concert in cyber space). Don't you get tired of battling?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 AM on 07/13/2009
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No.
Do you have any more stupid questions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 07/13/2009

Some of us are not Right Wingers and we honestly believe what we post. I am no right winger. I supported Clinton because I believed that as president she would expand Medicare Medicaid as she had tried to do in 94 but was stopped cold by the insurance industry and the GOP. I believed and still do that her talk of HMO mandates in the primaries was just talk to get the monied interests to back her.
And then the Democrats in Massachusetts passed HMO mandates and the common citizenry is getting fleeced there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/13/2009
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Do you have any MCreedence Clearwater Revival? I love them, even though they must be pretty 0ld by now. I mean their @ges. I love the song Suzie Q and B@d Moon Rising, too. I love most all their stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/13/2009
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This Blue Dogs need to be held accountable on this along with the Grand Ole' Party of No. Delaying the legislation works so well into their hands--they won't be on record for opposing th Public Health Option, which an overwhelming majoority of Americans supports. In the meanwhile, it hurts the Dems and Obama. It's really a pis.ser of a situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/13/2009
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Yep. That is why we have to stay on the individual lobbying.

Let's not give up or give in to helplessness. So lobby, protest, fax, e-mail and call. And do it over and over and over again.

August is not here yet. WE need them to know that there will be consequences. They have gotten too comfortable in their disdain of the public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/13/2009
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Obama has clearly communicated he wants the health legislation resolved ASAP. This is a direct insult to both his and the American people's expectations. It's a cynical and unacceptable maneuvering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 07/13/2009
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majority of Americans support. Pardon me. I went to some Bastile Day festivities a couple of days early.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/13/2009
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"Faster . . . must go faster . . . . "
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/13/2009
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"the delay would be a blow to the White House and Democrats electoral prospects"

if the Dems do this right, they'll be well set to play prominently in national politics for a long time to come. If they screw it up, they're out of power for a long time.

don't screw it up, Dems. You get one shot. Try to think with your brains and heart, and not the deposit slip in your pocket from the healthcare lobby bribes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/13/2009
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Andrea Castillo
Cue the innuendo.

Instead of defending my post, I'm just going to pillage yours
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Asked to defend her absurd comment, here is the reply I get.
And these Right Wingers wish to be taken seriously?
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/13/2009
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he/she is beyond comprehension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/13/2009
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Yeah, but the thread is full of cute one-liners from her. She seems to have an opinion on everything, but when challenged, she posts this kind of nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 07/13/2009
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It's not a "her." It's a male posing as a female. Further, the innuendo comment is childish bait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 07/13/2009
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Possible. But just read his/her posts below. She/he seems to lack the most elementary knowledge of things. And yet, she has an opinion on just about everything.

Agh! I hate to write he/she.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 07/13/2009
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You HAVE to infer a lot if you think this poster is serious with her one line zingers.

Many of us are baiting others. Right?

Some posters are serious; others are not. All should be welcome. Don't like the one liners, ignore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 07/13/2009
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It's a HE? Ok, a little revision of my song:

I am Leo, hear me r0ar,
I've got monikers galore,
at present, thirty-four,
I'm on a roll

I don't even read your posts
it's my own that matter most
I am Leo
and I'm here to take control

Chorus:

I forgot it.

:[

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/13/2009
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I have YET to see a SINGLE right-winger respond to this query HONESTLY or without some sort of INFANTILE evasion or bit of vapid snark....

Perhaps the THIRD time will be the CHARM.

A quick question to all of the wingers here who just LOVE our healthcare system the way it is now.... Can ANY of you provided a MORAL justification for allowing a PROFIT DRIVEN entity to be part of life & death decisions?

If ANY of YOU were dying of a CURABLE DISEASE... would YOU be comfortable in allowing the PROFIT MOTIVE... the "bottom line".. to be part of the decision-making process as to whether or not YOUR life should be saved?

Take your time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 07/13/2009
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Crickets, crickets, crickets

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 07/13/2009
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How are the creators and implementers of the Tax Code going to a better job of making life & death decisions? What is the difference between "profit driven" and "govt budget driven?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 07/13/2009
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Great question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 07/13/2009
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I don't have experience with individual policies, but plenty with employer plans. These policies are very specific - just as they list the things that are covered, they also list exclusions to coverage. Without laying it all out, the govt has nothing to stand on because, let's face it, the govt's track record is not good. We need to see more of what a public plan would look like - so far they've offered next to nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 07/13/2009

I would prefer to deal with an insurance company that was profit based because if I were dying of a curable disease and the insurance company refused treatment,, I have many options for recourse. For one, I could certainly use the press to gain attention to lack of coverage for a certain illness. I could sue or I could press the physician to work with the insurance company to get treatment.

This scenario totally misstates the problems facing health care. The two problems are the greying of the boomer population and expansive health care costs that need to be bent down over time. Social security and medicare are insolvent at a time when the largest portion of the population are coming of age to utilize the benefits they paid into over the course of their working years. Bending the costs of health care involves curtailing usage not expanding it. Americans are used to going for treatment and getting too much care, not too little. If you went to a doctor and he ordered one set of tests and sent you to a specialist who also ordered tests, you'd think twice about duplication of those tests if you were paying from your own pocket. Almost no health care consumers reach into their pocket for more than minimal co-pays unless you are at the portion of life where the greatest utilization comes the last six months of life.

My comment is too long so I will finish in another.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/13/2009
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What would happen if the entire population just stopped paying their insurance premiums at one time? If we all declined employer based health care and just started showing up at the doctor's office without any coverage? Just an idea.

We'd all earn $10,000 to $15,000 more per year on average if our employers did not have to cover us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/13/2009
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You'd either pay full price or not see the doctor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 07/13/2009
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If the entire country did this? I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 07/13/2009
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In your Randian wet dreams.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 07/13/2009
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What would happen? The health care companies would go bankrupt and Dems would bail them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 07/13/2009
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With private insurance being 1/6 of our total economy, bailout would become necessary or our economy would go into a deep depression.

Or . . . if the health insurance companies went bankrupt, we could have single payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 07/13/2009
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Is almost happening now: People going to the emergency room for non-emergencies. Guess who pay the bill? (Repbs don't care)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/13/2009
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You think the savings would go to the workers? All societal shifts in the last 60 years have resulted in LESS buying strength for the individual worker. We've been sliding into proletarian sludge for decades. Haven't you noticed? And you think this is going to change?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/13/2009
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There are so many advantages to employer-provided private health insurance -- for the employers and insurers! This will be a rough and possibly dirty fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 07/13/2009
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2wuVp00-o&feature=related

Totally off-topic, but oh-so-sublime. What better combination can be found?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/13/2009
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H3ll yeah. Nice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 07/13/2009
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Flat-out awesome. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 07/13/2009
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Yur welcome

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/13/2009
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MAP of countries with universal health insurance:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.gadling.com/media/2007/07/healthcareworldbig.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/13/2009
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So, these are the countries that you would like the United States to more closely resemble?

Downgrade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 07/13/2009
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Can you read a legend? The only countries that don't have it are in Africa. Even Iraq has US sponsored universal health care. I don't get your conclusion at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/13/2009
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Oh boy, please take a world tour. Especially the counties on that map.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 07/13/2009
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Wow, even Mexico's ahead of our game.

We have friends in most of Africa, Peru, Mongolia, nice people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 07/13/2009
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Yep, people are running to Mexico for Mexican health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 07/13/2009
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I need to go back to my History books and read again what every day citizens did to get rid of corrupt systems. It has happened many times, we just need to be smart and determined.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 07/13/2009
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Yep.

Let's not give up or give in to helplessness. So lobby, protest, fax, e-mail and call. And do it over and over and over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/13/2009
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There's only one way to get rid of a corrupt system but you'll get labeled a right-winger here if you endorse it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 07/13/2009
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I get it. But, are you willing to get rid of Republicans also?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/13/2009
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Thank you. LOL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 07/13/2009
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I thought Americans like to be #1??? Right now we are only #1 in wasteful spending, gas guzzling, war making.

How can 37 be good enough??? With arch rival France at #1????

MOROCCO RANKS HIGHER, COLOMBIA RANKS HIGHER.

you can argue all day about whether the ranking is fair but any way you dice it, 37 is not good. Now, #2,3, 4, 5,6 ...up till 10 or so, ok. BUT 37?????

I'm embarassed by this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 07/13/2009
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Andrea Castillo
We don't have the luxury of superfluous cash. I thought it was overt.

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This is a example of the total absurdity you get from the Right Wing.

She first said that we can't have the same system as France because we are a super-power and they are not.
Now she says that we don't have "superfluous cash".

And she says that after being tolad that their per capita cost for healthcare is 43% LOWER than ours.

Not MORE. We spend MORE cash per capita. Not LESS.
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"The French system is also not inexpensive. At $3,500 per capita it is one of the most costly in Europe, yet that is still far less than the $6,100 per person in the United States.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/08/1*1/frances_model_healthcare_system/

(Please remove the * from the above link, the copy and paste)
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I find it mind boggling how such people go through their daily lives, missing such simple skills as to understand what per capita cost means.
And, yet, they have opinions on Obama's budget and everything else.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 07/13/2009
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You tend to read either too finely or too broadly between my lines.

But by all means, have fun arranging your numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 07/13/2009
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Oh, Joe Scarborough! I thought you sounded familiar. The way you say absolutely nothing, but earnestly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/13/2009
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Defend your post. And I didn't rearrange anything. I gave you a link to the data.

C'mon. I might have to just start ignoring your posts again. I felt pity because you kept begging for attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 07/13/2009
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Then you should watch it. It is all about the propaganda the insurance industry feeds us every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/13/2009
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I skeptical of govt cost accounting. Especially French cost accounting when they take such glee at being better than the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 07/13/2009
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What better reason can there be to shoot yourself in the foot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 07/13/2009
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That's your problem. You want to "believe" what you want to believe, regardless of facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 07/13/2009
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Lets set the record straight.

Your ALREADY paying for all existing health care, both private insurance and medicare. Whether you benefit or not. Just where do you think the money comes from?????
Taxes, national insurance payments or skimmed off your income by your employer for the insurance. It doesn't matter what you call the method the final result is the same.

Over 30 other civilized countries know they are paying for it through some variation of taxation. They show a national sense of responsibility to their fellow citizens and share the national benefits it provides. They're smart enough to know there are no freebie or a subversive communist/socialist plot. Can we please keep this an intelligent discussion folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 07/13/2009
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"They show a national sense of responsibility to their fellow citizens and share the national benefits." Now, if that's not a definition of patriotism, I don't know what is. Well said. And the confusing part is, every conservative in our country does not get it! Their patriotism is false.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/13/2009

Thank you for this comment. I wish more people would make informed, logical opinions such as this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/13/2009
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Intelligent discussions make expensive PR campaigns less effective. Gosh, who'd want that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 07/13/2009
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The bueracrtic costs are already inflating premiums so it wouldn't be a stretch to recommend competion to bring costs down and improve quality care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 07/13/2009
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