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New York Times:
WASHINGTON Since 2001, the Central Intelligence Agency has developed plans to dispatch small teams overseas to kill senior Qaeda terrorists, according to current and former government officials.
MinnPost - Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes ...
Was The CIA Hiding Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring"?
MinnPost - Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes ...
Was The CIA Hiding Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring"?
MinnPost - Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes ...
Was The CIA Hiding Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring"?
MinnPost - Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes ...
Was The CIA Hiding Cheney's "Executive Assassination Ring"?
MinnPost - Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes ...
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It was a good plan. Too bad they didn't carry it out.
How do you know the plan was good if it has not been explained?
When did any Conservative acutualy have a plan that was good for America? Lining their pockets and taking out opposition maybe. But they did not hurt terr0rism, terr0rists are a conservatives bbf.
Yeah because the "stimulus package" is amazing plan. Thanks liberals, I was tired of having an economy.
Well for those who argue that it's just fine for the US to send out assassination squads into sovereign nations to kill al Qaeda because they attacked the US on 9/11, how do Americans feel about Iraq sending assassination sqauds to the US to target Americans who supported the war of agression against their country which had nothing to do with 9/11, a war that so far has left well over 100,000 Iraqis dead and displaced millions more, a war manufactured out of false intelligence by the Bush/Cheney Executive Branch. How would Americans feel about that? Would those assassination squads be viewed as "terrorists?"
Great point. My guess is Americans would want to see Iraq disintegrated. Though we are a great military power we must not lose all coscience of other nations freedom to exist, if so we will not be very powerful for long. History backs this up. Remember the Romans?
Instead of "send(ing) out assassination squads", use Predator missiles. I guess that's OK when it comes to "to kill(ing) al Qaeda" or Taliban in "sovereign nations". Now, that's an active program!
An active program that has been approved by the proper people........that's the difference.
That is active and publically known. Pakistan was made aware it was coming because Obama campaigned on it in public. Nothing under the table about that plan at all, that has been fully disclosed.
That would be pretty funny, missiles taking out American politicians randomly.
"The administration must notify Congressional leaders of any covert action finding signed by the president. In the case of the presidential finding authorizing the use of lethal force against members of Al Qaeda, Congressional leaders have been notified as required, the officials said."
Maybe Im having a Palin moment...Does this mean Congressional leaders were notified as required? Or does it mean something else?
A thourough investigation will answer this. Why not let it run if we know all t's were crossed and all I's were dotted. Makes no sense to discourage an investigation if this is the case!
There are at least two hidden programs. One under the DoD has been indentified by Hersh.
The other at the CIA was identified by Panetta. The DoD program depending on their orders may or may not have required Congressional notification. But Panetta was not informed of the CIA program operating for 4 months when he was already CIA Director. That's a clear violation, he could not tell Congress because he did not know himself.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#31898065 - Cheney ordered secret program notification withheld from Congress
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html
Great Wall of Law................meet the Bush Administration!.....................The B.S shall advance no further!
Isn't it a little strange that we Americans were so fond of James Bond as a spook with a license to kill and we have all heard the stories of the attempts to hit Castro. Then there are revelations about torture. Finally, we are back to a license to kill and we Americans are still surprised? It seems a bit disingenuous.
After the findings of the House Select Committee on Assassinations Congress passed legislation and this is ignored.
These revelations are not new. TV movies portray these goings-on every day. Only when Americans quit being hypocritical can we restore rules of engagement and civilized means of spying. No torture and no killings, just good ole disinformation and plausible denial. How long would that last?
Combining an aggressive trade policy towards control of the world's resources is a major contradiction in our democracy. The CIA has been called Wall Street's private army from the time of Dulles brothers forward. Business can be a dirty business it seems. That's why we are on the "dark side." 9-11 did not change everything. It just changed the rules back to where some people want them to be - unlimited executive action.
The Bush/Cheney era saw a disturbing move toward the establishment of unchecked executive power, and the frightening first steps toward a police state.
The only thing more terrifying than these events, is that even when we elected President Obama, we have seen little to no real change, no real accountabilty under the Rule of Law, and no rejection of the newly established executive powers.
I think that President Obama is a good man, but he is only a man.
Let us not forget what Lord Acton said about power: Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
And as Dr. King said, those with power never give it up voluntarily. Instead, justice must be demanded.
Bush/Cheney spent the last eight years setting up the police state.
If the American Poeple do not demand that the Rule of Law be respected, regardless of who is president, they will be willingly putting on the chains of servitude that have been forged over the last eight years. And once established, ending a police state is nearly always a bloody, costly process.
We the People can peacefully re-establish the Rule of Law in our nation.
But it must be demanded, because those with power quickly come to see that power as their own, and they will not give it up voluntarily.
We must demand that President Obama respect the Rule of Law and prosecute war crimes.
Do you really have to brief congress if its in the newspaper? How did the NY Times know about and publish this big "secret" 7 years ago?? JAIL FOR ALL /
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/15/international/15INTE.html
A plan to take out Qaeda leaders IS NOT cheney's BIG secret.
No, everybody knows, and everybody agrees that OBL and his ragtag gang were the targets all along. With proper CIA authority (it was given) and a small contingent of Rangers this would have been cleaned up years ago.
The rest has been crimes against humanity and outright theft. Perpetrated by Republicans in America's name. Iraq = illegal war, the money gone, the lives gone.
And the ragtags are still there right where Bush left them. In Afghanistan.
obl and his associates were not the only targets, and
the cheney's assassination ring operated out of the pentagon:
"It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on," Hersh stated. "Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us."
- Seymour Hersh, March 2009
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Hersh_US_has_been_running_executive_0311.html
CelticMajic: But there is no law that requires, or could practically require, the CIA to brief Congress every time some agency component considers the feasibility of some security initiative.
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You are making false statements in order to protect serial crimes, and the criminals who commit them. Are you a criminal too? You personally CelticMajic.
SEC. 501. [50 U.S.C. 413] (a)(1) The President shall ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States,
including any significant anticipated intelligence activity as required by this title.
http://feinstein.senate.gov/crs-intel.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html
I don't see that as confusing language. It is very clear.
A little common sense here would be welcome. Are you saying that everytime anyone in the intelligence services and I mean anyone has an idea that it MUST be briefed to congress. That is the definition of impractical. Expecially when the idea in question was 1. common knowledge and universally supported and 2. Never executed.
That's not what the Law says. Are you able to read? It is self explanatory.
Oh and BTW just because someone disagees with you does not make them criminal. Nor does calling someone a criminal advance the logic of your arguement. I am sure you do not agree to being called names so please do not do that to others.
Well we are human also and your sitting trying to convince us that you're right, after the law has been posted and has proven you wrong it is very annoying. Annoy is what it seems you are trying to do. That is a childish trait.
So how many Republicans here would approve of Joe Biden or any other Democratic VP using these expanded powers that Chinney used?
THAT is the real issue here. Did Chinney illegally abu.se the power of the Office of VP?
IF Chinney did and we do nothing about it, EVERY VP, whether Dem or Repub will look to this precedence and follow suit.
So if you don't mind........neither do we........be careful!!
We will have the White House for a very long, long, long time if Republicans refuse to investigate their own. Nobody is giving power back to the GOP if they refuse to accept the consequences of abusing it.
The investigations and prosecutions will be done by the prosecutor(s) appointed by US AG Holder.
Of course the CIA has been trying to figure out how to take out top al-Qaeda leaders. One assumes — one hopes — they are also brainstorming about wiping out the Taliban, overthrowing the Iranian regime, undermining Kim Jong Il’s nuclear program, disrupting Syrian support of Hezbollah, and tackling all manner of threats to the United States. But there is no law that requires, or could practically require, the CIA to brief Congress every time some agency component considers the feasibility of some security initiative.
Sorry but it was more than a "thought" over $1 million taxpayer dollars were spent on this "program" and hence, required by the National Security Act of 1947 to inform Congress.
But thanks for playing.
Are you actually arguing that no one knew that the CIA was planning on eliminating Al Queda operatives. If so many would find it an incredidible accusation, especially when one heard democrats howling about the failure of the previous adminstration to eliminate OBL. You can't have it both ways.
That's not the question being asked. The more you come up with these comments the more you sink your argument.
............This must be broken record week..........................Again,it is not legal for the executive Branch to direct members of the CIA to lie to or mislead congress. You are running out of oxygen here.
If there was not a declared war...you know: Declaration of War instead of the facetious "global war on terrorism", then how can this be justified?
Oh yes, I know, JYoo will justify anything! The is the President's right to do anything he wants and Yoo will write a memo justifying it...in the same way that he talked around notifying Congress that Bush was going to circumvent the Geneva Conventions standards of "enemy combatants" because if you fudge who they are, then you can ignore the conventions of WAR.
What is very sad is that our government reacted in such a knee-jerk reaction and based everything on 9/11. I can only think of the Press Conference in which President Obama was asked why he did not react Immediately to a potential international crisis....and his response: I wanted to know the facts!
So what would Dick Cheney actually have to do to be held accountable under the law?
And when did our government officials decide they no longer had to follow the laws and Constitution they swore to uphold as a condition of holding their public offices?
The Rule of Law is the foundation of any just and civil society.
If our government no longer enforces the laws, we no longer have the Rule of Law.
The Rule of Law will have been replaced with the Rule of Power.
Trust me, you won't like what happens after that.
We are at a turning point in our history.
If we do not prosecute this shocking government corruption, the Rule of Law is dead in the U.S. and the police state has begun.
You are absolutely correct.
When Bush said mission accomplished..perhaps what you explain here is what he meant. Too bad for him the American People are a spirited bunch and he truly underestimated them. His claim of victory was pre-mature.
Thank you my friend.
And I truly hope that you are correct that "the American People are a spirited bunch and he truly underestimated them."
As Dr. King said, those with power never give it up voluntarily. Instead, justice must be demanded.
Bush/Cheney spent the last eight years setting up the police state.
If the American Poeple do not demand that the Rule of Law be respected, they will putting on the chains of servitude that have been forged over the last eight years.
It was very easy to rebel against Bush/Cheney, but will the American People demand that President Obama respect the Rule of Law and give up the extreme powers the Executive branch acquired under Bush/Cheney?
I think that President Obama is a good man, but he is only a man.
Let us not forget what Lord Acton said: Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I would really like to hear George Tenet's take on all this. After all, he was the Shrub's boy and received the Medal of Freedom for his "slam dunk" on the war.
Sometimes, it is the sin of omission rather than the sin of commission! Tenet never told Congress either!
Panetta needs to be let go for cancelling this program.
Are you that upset about someone actually following the law?
Why was he not informed in accordance with the federal law and his postion as CIA Director?
It was a crime not to inform him yes? Shouldn't criminals be punished?
Yet more evidence that the republicans need to be shipped to Antarctica!
That would be cruel to the penguins.
How about Somalia? It's a free-marketer's paradise. Small government, low taxes, no pesky laws or prosecutions to worry about.
Please tell why? Is it because he has informed Congress of the existence of a program that none of us know the actual details of other than what has been reported? I've said before and I'll say again there is something missing from the details we have been given, because the said details can't simply be a matter of legalities, timing etc as being reported to bring rise to the shock reported from those in Congress who were privy to details.
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First Posted: 07-13-09 11:25 PM | Updated: 07-14-09 07:25 AM