Obama No Closer To Supporting Investigation Of Bush Terror Policies

digg Share this on Facebook Huffpost - Obama No Closer To Supporting Investigation Of Bush Terror Policies stumble reddit del.ico.us RSS


First Posted: 07-13-09 02:46 PM   |   Updated: 07-13-09 03:22 PM

I Like ItI Don’t Like It
Obama

Despite revelations that the CIA kept members of Congress in the dark about a covert intelligence program, and calls for an investigation into the matter from Democrats, President Obama is no closer to looking into the potential misconduct of the Bush years.

"The president's thinking on this has not changed," Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said of potential investigation. "That's why I referred back to the [speech at] the [National] Archives... his reaction to this is very similar to his reaction at the archives."

Gibbs was referring to the president's stated preference to look forward rather than back. The Obama White House has, since revelations of harsh interrogations authorized by the Bush administration became public, expressed concern with the notion of an independent body investigating those potential violations of law. If it was clear that a law was broken, the rationalization went, the Department of Justice would take action. Absent that, there was little appetite for a fishing expedition.

Now, however, Democrats on the Hill insist that laws have indeed been broken. Reports that Vice President Dick Cheney and the CIA had created a program to capture or kill al Qaeda operatives and kept that program's existence from Congress violates the tenets of the National Security Act, these offended Democrats argue.

"Individuals who ordered that Congress be kept in the dark should be held accountable," said Senator Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.). " I also have deep concerns about the program itself and have conveyed those concerns, along with a request for a thorough investigation, in a classified letter to the president."

Even if the president privately shares Feingold's sentiments, for the time being, he's not budging on an investigation.

"Let me first state what I know the president strongly believes," Gibbs said during Monday's briefing. "[He believes in] the importance of strong American institutions, like Congress and like the court system that have protected our values and kept us safe. The president believes Congress should always be briefed fully, in a timely manner, in accordance with the law. Those are his beliefs as they relate to any of those programs."

Currently, CIA Director Leon Panetta is reviewing how it was that the Congress was kept in the dark on existence of this covert program. Obama himself was briefed on the matter on Monday, Gibbs said, though no additional details such as how he reacted to the briefing were offered.

"I'm not in the intelligence briefing so I don't know the exact detail of what he has gotten," Gibbs said.

As for reports that the Justice Department was considering starting an investigation into the Bush administration's interrogation practices (a subject different from the covert program), Gibbs was equally vague.

"The Attorney General is making determinations based on a number of issues," said the press secretary.

When asked if the White House would support that investigation Gibbs said, "You're like four hypotheticals down the interstate."

Get HuffPost Politics On Facebook and Twitter!

Despite revelations that the CIA kept members of Congress in the dark about a covert intelligence program, and calls for an investigation into the matter from Democrats, President Obama is no closer t...
Despite revelations that the CIA kept members of Congress in the dark about a covert intelligence program, and calls for an investigation into the matter from Democrats, President Obama is no closer t...
Report Corrections
 
Comments
772
Pending Comments
0
iPhone App Promo

Want to reply to a comment? Hint: Click "Reply" at the bottom of the comment; after being approved your comment will appear directly underneath the comment you replied to

View Comments:
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next › Last » (14 pages total)
photo

The Hammer Pelosi isn't going to allow any investigation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 07/14/2009
- 6bd I'm a Fan of 6bd 10 fans permalink

Patience..­....rigoro­us fact finding first. There is so much to be uncovered, let's prosecute everything, not just what is presently known. Justice will be served, our President understands the Constitution and it's value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 07/14/2009
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 286 fans permalink
photo

No matter what kind of obfuscation and spin comes out of Washington, this story is NOT going away. As we see a steady drip of information about the Bushies, the impetus is building for investigations and prosecutions. Now, we are told that Attorney General Holder has asked for a short list of candidates for Special Prosecutor...some of the best news I have heard on the subject. I was beginning to lose hope!

It is true that the President's agenda includes vitally important issues to all Americans. But without curing what ails our democracy on the most fundamental level, namely the upholding of our laws, there will continue to be an under-current of discontent. Either there is respect for the rule of law by all, or there is not....no gray area at all!

Attorney General Holder, do your duty!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/14/2009
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
photo

backpedaling on campaign promises seems to be a way of life for Obama dont it??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 07/14/2009
- XME I'm a Fan of XME 26 fans permalink
photo

I understand that many are upset by Obama not wanting to "look back"...

On the other hand, as someone who cannot get anyone to sell me health insurance, I can also understand Obama's cocern that such investigations would envelop his entire presidency and would keep congress from getting any other important work done. After all, seems they can barely get health care on track now, if a full blown investigation was announced, it's all anyone would be talking about for months, at the very least.

There's not go answer, and I hate to say it, but for me, making sure I can get SOME kind of decently afforable health care is more important to get done NOW. May not sound good to those who feel in investigation is a must, but I simply care more about my health and my ability to support myself than digging through the garbage of the last 8 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 07/14/2009
- sviolette I'm a Fan of sviolette 80 fans permalink
photo

This is just another poor excuse to do nothing. Health care can be done without affecting what needs to be done about torture. It's easy to find excuses to not prosecute war criminals. It's hard to do what is morally and legally right. Don't let health care be just another excuse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 07/14/2009
- XME I'm a Fan of XME 26 fans permalink
photo

I see your point, and I DO think there should be investigations. But I also want to ensure that health care reform doesn't get overlooked because of those investigations. Actually, if Congress would get their butts in gear and get some reform to Obama by August as he's requested, then they follow that up with these investigations. My point is only that these investigations should not be allowed to override the other things that need to get done during this presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 07/14/2009
- zakon I'm a Fan of zakon 3 fans permalink
photo

Focus-grouped lies.

With super-wide Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate, which of these Democrats exactly would hold up Obama's legislative agenda if a proper investigation, disclosure, change of illegal policies, and criminal accountability were to occur at the same time?????????????

You feel because pundits and newsentertainment channels are talking and spinning that somehow the Democratic super-majorities would fail to pass Obama's legislative agenda?????

I've learned the code: sacrifice the core of our laws for political expediency, or maybe, to keep the illegal powers for yourself!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 07/14/2009
- XME I'm a Fan of XME 26 fans permalink
photo

"You feel because pundits and newsentertainment channels are talking and spinning that somehow the Democratic super-majorities would fail to pass Obama's legislative agenda?????"

**********­**********­**

Actually, I don't know, but I do certainly fear that...let's just say that I don't have a lot of faith in Congress, and I do think Obama has those concerns as well: that his other issues will get set aside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/14/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
photo

do yer job, Holder. You don't need his permission. If the Prez. don't have the gonards, then you can just go right ahead and arrest cheeney, seeing as he's already admitted to many of his crimes and more has been reported by many others. There is no reason to investigate anything until after his arrest. Then you can investigate it all you want to, so to get the full story. If it were anyone else admitting to high crimes ,some 'crew-cut would be slappin' the cuffs on em real quick....,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 07/13/2009
- Coinyer101 I'm a Fan of Coinyer101 646 fans permalink
photo

Well, I s'ppose if it's ok to torture people and mislead congress and the entire nation into a war that has cost thousands of American and Iraqi lives, then y'all shouldn't mind me unilaterally legalizing weed and declaring an end to prohibition......,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 07/13/2009
- sviolette I'm a Fan of sviolette 80 fans permalink
photo

It's legal at my house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 07/14/2009
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 7 fans permalink
photo

As Marcospinelli (9:01pm) pointed out, Obama said:


"Now, if I [Obama] found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody's above the law -- & I think that's roughly how I'd look at it.

Is Obama becoming a typical, lying-@$$, phony politician like the rest of those GOP folks or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 07/13/2009
- zakon I'm a Fan of zakon 3 fans permalink
photo

What are the other secret illegal memos? and other secret illegal executive orders? and has Cheney's death squads become Biden's death squads?

As someone else eloquently put it, laws not enforced are not laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 07/13/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

I agree and one reason we are on the verge of anarchy in the US. Failure to uphold & enforce the law (fairly & equally for all) leads to general disrespect and disobedience of the law. Which is where we are now and it appears it is going to get worse since the current administration appears to be adverse to enforcing the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/13/2009
- cinesimon I'm a Fan of cinesimon 58 fans permalink

Yet you claim that Obama should break the law by politicizing the Justice Department and ordering Holder to circumvent due process and prosecute Bush and co.
They should be prosecuted, yes, but not without Holder obeying the law.
He is currently investigating such possibilities, and your insistence that Obama can order him to do it suggests that you know little of the actual law governing the AG's responsibilities.

The previous administration was about shortcuts and avoiding due process.
To do this right, we shouldn't be encouraging the new leadership to behave like the old leadership.
Yet from what you keep saying, the only way Obama can redeem himself is for him to act precisely the way BushCheney did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 07/13/2009
photo

On 4/14/08, Candidate Obama was asked, "Would your Justice Department aggressively go after (Bush Administration) and investigate whether crimes have been committed?"

Candidate Obama's answer:

What I'd want to do is to have my DoJ & my AG immediately review the information that's already there & to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you're right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated.

[snip]

I'd want to find out directly from my AG -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies & policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings & I've said that's not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody's above the law -- & I think that's roughly how I'd look at it.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 07/13/2009
- zakon I'm a Fan of zakon 3 fans permalink
photo

President Obama is becoming a big disappointment.

How can this guy have taught constitutional law and not give a crap about the illegality and precedents Cheney/Bush set?

I'm not donating any of my money to this guy in 2012 and I'm never voting for him again if this is his true colors. A politician sacrificing America's most central laws so he can slip and slide to a second term and trying to pass a Republican-lite legislative agenda.

No way jose

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 07/13/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

During his campaign, he ranted on & on about the rule of law and holding people accountable.

So far, the only people who have been held accountable are tobacco users. He managed to raise federal taxes on a pack of cigarettes by 61 cents. He got that done the first 30 days he was in office.

Since the vast majority of tobacco users are near poverty level, that was equivalent to imposing a 90% tax increase on the wealthy. Which still hasn't happened since he is so busy appointing "czars" to create even more useless laws the Dems are famous for creating.

I have yet to see his actions match his rhetoric.

He has six more months but it does not look good. He appears to be an intelligent, articulate George Bush and LBJ clone with his "guns & butter" programs that bankrupted the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 07/13/2009
- sviolette I'm a Fan of sviolette 80 fans permalink
photo

No simpathy for smokers here. One of the biggest reasons we can't get healthcare in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 07/13/2009
- DaveyDavey I'm a Fan of DaveyDavey 102 fans permalink
photo

Looking forward to the day that Bush and Cheney are safely behind bars and the Bill of Rights is restored to its previous, pre-Bush, glory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 07/13/2009
photo

You and I both!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/14/2009
- cinesimon I'm a Fan of cinesimon 58 fans permalink

It bodes well for us Democrats that our opposition is consistently at the level of the two clowns on this page displaying such childish behavior and exposing how little they know about our laws.

It's a shame for America, but it certainly means that Dems will continue to win elections - these two childish zealots are typical of the current opposition - they project their own insecurities onto us, they display staggering ignorance of the law whilst claiming to be all-knowing of civics, and when we adults are having a discussion about how important it is that our president stay clear of a justice investigation so that it doesn't become politicized than it is, they say that we're protecting our president "at all costs".
Not even the most simple minded of Americans(well, maybe the 19% of hard right zealots) would think these two make any sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/13/2009
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 27 fans permalink
photo

From my observation of Obama it wouldn't surprise me if he is letting the media keep this issue in the front of the news while his people are developing an impenetrable design for investigating the previous administration so that any loop holes are closed and when Obamas team finally says I got you, they will have everything they need to put Bushco away for a long time. Also he'll probably wait till it's closer to time to re-elect him into a second term, blowing away the GOP with their own mistakes and horrible behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 07/13/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

That's why he has six more months to get it done.

I don't know what the statute of limitations is on 18 USC 113c, but I'm sure there is one. And, we don't have two years for him to solidify his case.

But, if that's what he's doing, I suppose he was just lying when he said he didn't want anyone prosecuted or investigated, huh?

He has until January 20, 2010 to either begin prosecutions or he will never get another dime or vote from me. Dems don't get my vote or my money so that's not going to happen regardless what he does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 07/13/2009
- sviolette I'm a Fan of sviolette 80 fans permalink
photo

There is no statute of limitations for war crimes. They are still prosecuting Germans today for war crimes in WWII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 07/13/2009
photo

Five years.

And who are you charging? Obama's eliminated everyone except those who tortured beyond what was laid out in the Bybee and Yoo memos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 07/13/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

The Attorney General works directly for the president of the USA. The president can order the AG to do whatever suits his mood at the time.

The DOJ is not an independent agency. There is no such thing in the federal gov't.

I thought Bushbots were bad.

Whew!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 07/13/2009
- cinesimon I'm a Fan of cinesimon 58 fans permalink

You really do believe that, don't you?

Such ignorance is unfortunately not surprising these days.

It should be mind blowing, but we see so much of this nonsense from the right - oh, I mean 'independents'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 07/13/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

Maybe you should use google. Or, go to the DOJ website. They explicitly tell people they are an executive branch of the government and the AG is a cabinet level officer appointed by the president & approved by the Senate.

Cabinet level officers work directly for the president, they are political appointees & can be fired by the person who appointed them, in the case of the AG, the president.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, maybe you could rent yours to someone who can and would use it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/13/2009
- Tuckerndfw I'm a Fan of Tuckerndfw 102 fans permalink

Make NO mistake, I'm NOT a "liberal" and I'm NOT a Democrat.

I consider both to be little different than the "conservatives" & Repubs.

I have but one concern: the US Constitution & rule of law.

It seems I am a distinct minority in the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/13/2009
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next › Last » (14 pages total)
Comments are closed for this entry

 You must be logged in to comment. Log in  or connect with 

Connect