Conductor Edward Downes And Wife Joan Die In Swiss Suicide Clinic

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JILL LAWLESS | July 14, 2009 10:34 PM EST | AP

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This undated handout photo made available Tuesday July 14, 2009 shows renowned British conductor Edward Downes. British conductor Edward Downes and his wife have died at an assisted suicide clinic in Switzerland, their family said Tuesday July 14, 2009. The family said Downes, 85, and his 74-year-old wife Joan died Friday "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" at a Zurich clinic run by the group Dignitas. "After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," the statement said. (AP Photo/Bill Cooper/PA Wire) UNITED KINGDOM OUT NO SALES NO ARCHIVE

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. So Edward and Joan Downes decided to die together.

Downes – Sir Edward since he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 1991 – and his wife ended their lives last week at a Zurich clinic run by the assisted suicide group Dignitas. They drank a small amount of clear liquid and died hand-in-hand, their two adult children by their side. He was 85 and she was 74.

The deaths were a poignant coda to Edward Downes' illustrious musical career, and have reignited a debate in Britain about whether people should be able to help ailing loved ones end their lives.

The couple's children said Tuesday that they died "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" on Friday.

"After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," said a statement from the couple's son and daughter, Caractacus and Boudicca.

"They wanted to be next to each other when they died," Caractacus Downes told London's Evening Standard newspaper. "They held hands across the beds.

"It is a very civilized way to be able to end your life," he added.

Downes' manager Jonathan Groves said the couple were inseparable and would have reached the decision together.

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"Sir Edward would have survived her death, but he decided he didn't want to. He didn't want to go on living without her," Groves said.

One of Britain's most renowned conductors, Downes had a long and eminent career, which included years as head of the BBC Philharmonic and a five-decade association with the Royal Opera House.

In recent years he had become almost blind and nearly deaf, increasingly relying on his wife for support.

Joan, a former ballet dancer, choreographer and television producer, had devoted years to working as his assistant, but she was recently diagnosed with cancer of the liver and pancreas, and given only weeks to live.

Groves said he was shocked by the couple's deaths but called their decision "typically brave and courageous."

The double suicide is the latest in a series of high-profile cases that have spurred calls for a legal change in Britain, where assisted suicide and euthanasia are banned.

Under British law, assisting a suicide is punishable by up to 14 years in prison. But courts have become reluctant in recent years to convict people. No relative or friend of any of the Britons who have died in Dignitas clinics has been prosecuted.

The Metropolitan Police force said it had been notified of the deaths, and was investigating. Charges are unlikely.

Despite evidence of changing attitudes, parliamentary efforts to change the rules have all been defeated – most recently last week, when Parliament's upper chamber, the House of Lords, voted down an amendment that would have relaxed the prohibition on assisted dying.

Sarah Wootton, chief executive of campaign group Dignity in Dying, said the couple's deaths showed the need to regulate assisted suicide.

"This problem is clearly not going to go away," she said.

"People should be able to make such decisions for themselves, but safeguards are the key," she said.

Peter Saunders, of the anti-euthanasia group Care Not Killing, argued that loosening the law could "put vulnerable people, many of whom already think they are a financial or emotional burden to relatives, carers and the state, under pressure to end their lives through a change in the law."

More than 100 Britons have died in Swiss clinics run by Dignitas since the organization was established in 1998. The organization takes advantage of the country's liberal laws on assisted suicide, which suggest that a person can be prosecuted only if they are acting out of self interest.

Roughly 100 foreigners – most of them terminally ill – come to Switzerland each year to end their lives. Some are healthy except for a disability or severe mental disorder. Typically they go to a room run by Dignitas, which provides them with a lethal drink of barbiturates. In five minutes they fall asleep – and never wake up.

Other countries, including the Netherlands and Belgium, and the states of Oregon and Washington in the United States, allow the incurably sick to obtain help from a doctor to hasten their death.

Only Switzerland, in a law dating back to 1942, permits foreigners to come and kill themselves. Other organizations provide such services for Swiss residents, but Dignitas is the main organization for foreigners.

Critics accuse Dignitas of promoting "suicide tourism."

Dignitas charges 10,000 Swiss francs ($9,200) for its services, which include taking care of legal formalities and arranging consultations with a doctor willing to prescribe the barbiturates.

Edward Downes is one of the most prominent Britons to have traveled to Switzerland because of its open attitude toward the practice.

He was born in 1924 in Birmingham in central England. He studied at Birmingham University, the Royal College of Music and under German conductor Hermann Scherchen.

In 1952, he joined London's Royal Opera House as a junior staffer – his first job was prompting soprano Maria Callas. He made his debut as a conductor with the company the following year and went on to become associate music director. Throughout his life he retained close ties to the Royal Opera, conducting almost 1,000 performances of 49 different operas there over more than 50 years.

He also had a decades-long association with the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra, where he became principal conductor and later conductor emeritus. In the 1970s, he became music director of the Australian Opera, conducting the first performance at the iconic Sydney Opera House in 1973.

Edward and Joan Downes are survived by their children and grandchildren. The family said the couple had no religious beliefs, and there would be no funeral.

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Associated Press Writers Ernst E. Abegg and Alexander G. Higgins contributed to this report from Switzerland.

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with ...
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Having been in the medical field most of my life, I see both sides of this argument. I have seen elderly couples, one taking care of the other until they both are ill and both end up on the hospital. Then, they must either be placed separately in nursing homes and ultimately die apart, or sent home. Sometimes they do not have the funding or care to provide them with necessary assistance or medications to take care of their needs and end up not being able to survive at home. Not everyone has family to take care of them, most of the time this is the case. My father took care of my mother at home with nursing assistants, but he eventually became ill himself. If it were me, and I had been married as long as the couple mentioned here, and knew the end of my life would be one of suffering and pain, I would surely do what this couple has done. I am glad there are legitimate options to this kind of assisted dying that is done with dignity and safety. They both surely loved one another and the husband would not have been able to live long without his wife.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/15/2009

In the past I have always been opposed to any form of suicide, thinking it's not up to us, but to God or the Universe when we leave this earth. However, I found this article very touching, romantic even. It takes courage to end one's life and to do it together with the love of your life adds an element of eternity to it. Guess you can't judge unless you are in their shoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/15/2009
- eraofpeace I'm a Fan of eraofpeace 4 fans permalink
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You all make God out to be a control freak. Like "I brought you into this world, and only I can take you out!' Well I don't believe it matters, and that we should wait until our body shuts down sector by sector and if we are have to undergo intense suffering. Sometimes you hear the anguish of people crying out in the hospital for death to come get them, because they are just tired of living.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/15/2009

Jesus said not to judge.

When you think suicide is wrong - don't suicide. But don't make the decision for others - not due to religion anyway - they may have heard different things.

Euthanasia when you are terminally ill, suicide for someone in this extreme situation (old enough you could consider him 'terminal' - we know he's at the end of his life, blind, deaf, losing his wife and his lifelong profession and devotion - music) - it's for them to choose, for God to judge - not us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 07/15/2009
- oakley9 I'm a Fan of oakley9 20 fans permalink

I support the freedom to choose when a person is terminally ill and suffering. I would want to have that choice even though I'm not sure I would choose it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 07/15/2009
- texhall00 I'm a Fan of texhall00 12 fans permalink
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I believe this is the best way for the ones who are very ill and its time to go. Look at all the people we know of and thousands of others who are kept in nursing homes and their forgotten. Its a place where one goes to die. Don't you think if the patience could they would want this for them to? We all should make our decisions when the times comes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 07/14/2009
- psbintl I'm a Fan of psbintl 19 fans permalink
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I applaud this courageous couple for choosing to die together with dignity.

We need to stop thinking of death as something so horrible in a case like this when it comes to people wanting to end their lives in a dignified manner when they feel the quality of their life has gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 07/14/2009
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"How do I know that loving life is not a delusion? How do I know that in hating death I am not like a man who, having left home in his youth, has forgotten the way back?"


""Once Chuang Tzu dreamt he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Chuang Tzu. Suddenly he woke up and there he was - Chuang Tzu, solid and unmistakable. But upon reflection, he didn't know if he was Chuang Tzu who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming he was Chuang Tzu."
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Death is scary because it so darned permanent - there is no trial basis where it concerns death which is why suicide should never be an act of desperation. It should be a matter of personal calm and logical consideration (if the idea ever enters one’s mind.) For instance, a person going through the awkwardness that can be young adulthood should never find suicide to be a solution for the real issues of adjustment that exist at such a time (reach out). The moment can and probably will change. Please do not allow a moment “seemingly” overflowing with despair and frustration to cause an act that can never be undone and that affects so many lives after the initial act. Everyone has control over self, and death, as is life, is a personal choice.

The Downes’ death seems an informed choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 07/15/2009
- Jezreel I'm a Fan of Jezreel 62 fans permalink
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Co-signed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 07/15/2009

Death is scary to some. I imagine that the fear of death was at the kernel of the original religion, and seems to be at the kernel of most religions today. Dying is one thing, but dying and getting rewarded is a whole 'nother thing. Muslims have eden, Christians heaven, Buddhists nirvana, Hindus moksha, and Judaism the world to come...but their view is my favorite: "The only certainty is that each man must die - beyond that we can only guess."

As to suicide, I think the whole article is almost too personal for me. I support their decision, appreciate their story, but wish they'd been able to privately do as they wished, with intimacy and dignity, without it becoming internet fodder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 07/15/2009
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This should be a choice open to all of us. What a loving and kind way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 07/14/2009

I support this couple's very personal decision, and Switzerland for providing a safe, regulated, legal place for them to do so. Since I've never been in their shoes, I don't know what I would do if I were in terminally ill and in pain with no hope of recovery, but as a Swiss citizen, I personally consider Dignitas or another clinic like it an option for when my time comes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 07/14/2009

Not a Swiss citizen aside from that, am in total agreement. If facing a terminal disease or debilitating one, we should be able to decide how to end our days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 07/15/2009
- avshanbh I'm a Fan of avshanbh 33 fans permalink
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I'm speechless :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/14/2009
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Brave New World....o­ne step from forced suicide...­once the door is open it will not be closed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 07/14/2009

straw man argument

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 07/15/2009

Yeah, right.

I heard that one 2 decades ago about the speed limit - the idea was that lowering the speed limit to reduce deaths and fuel consumption was one step away from the government taking away all our cars to make us safer. Guess what - that one didn't work either. Slippery slope is a false argument. We only move the next step if we decide to do so, having experienced the first step.

When it was racism, racists saying, "You let them vote, you let them in the schools, next thing you know, one of them will be kissing your daughter!" - yep, it happened - because as we took each step forward, we found it to be a good thing worth continuing.

When it was the speed limit - we found the step forward to be not such a good thing, and raised the speed limit back to where it was.

To condemn people to a brief but far too long life of pure torture and agony because you fear a potential future step that the voters could easily stop - that's ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/15/2009

I would like to pose a question to the Xtians,especially rmorales12­3.What would you do if everyday for the remainder of your life,say twenty or thirty or even forty years ,you had to be in constant pain,not minor pain,but intense pain.No relief in sight pain,burning in hell pain,what would you do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 07/14/2009
- eraofpeace I'm a Fan of eraofpeace 4 fans permalink
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PRAY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 07/15/2009
- marxmarv I'm a Fan of marxmarv 25 fans permalink
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Good for you. I hope it works out for you should that time come. Meanwhile I prefer to exercise my own moral agency and see that others are able to do the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 07/15/2009
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-- What is the address to this clinic? If I do not win Powerball soon, I'll head there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 07/14/2009
- psbintl I'm a Fan of psbintl 19 fans permalink
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What that supposed to be funny? Obviously you missed the point here, maybe wrong thread for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 07/15/2009
- DrDemon I'm a Fan of DrDemon 8 fans permalink
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zzzzZZZZZZ­z.... I'm bored !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 07/16/2009

It is good that these places are available.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 07/14/2009
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 34 fans permalink
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What are the republicans' opinion about said clinic ... ?

Come to think of it, I REALLY DON'T CARE for their opinion ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 07/14/2009
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Hi Cakes ... there are some good comments on the subject here ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/14/2009
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"wow this makes me sick choice argument anyone? well i hope you all feel the same way when your child or grandchild decides to make a choice to k!ll her child and then decides to make the choice to k!ll herself"

I don't understand why the bible-thumpers like rmorales have the right to make other peoples' choices for them. Verily I say unto you, it's none of your damn business!

This wasn't a murder-suicide so I wonder if rmorales even read the article.

Personally I found the situation very sad but understanding and touching. Sir Edward was indeed a highly eminent conductor and he and his wife obviously thought out the situation very carefully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 07/14/2009
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Maybe they would've discovered they are not just a conductor, a husband or a wife if they have lived longer. They could have discovered something to help mankind, or taught a troubled kid about music or just maybe continue to be a living inspiration for us.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/14/2009

Maybe they just didn't want to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/14/2009
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Maybe maybe maybe.... you should have read the article? She had pancreatic and liver cancer. She only had a couple of weeks to live. My grandfather died from the same cancer, and he was so drugged up those last two weeks that he didn't know his own kids. And Downes was almost completely blind and deaf, and relied on her completely.

So yeah, maybe they could have discovered something before she died in excruciating pain, with medical bills up the yin yang. Then once she was gone, he would be alone in the silent darkness and emotionally bereft, but hey -- he'd be alive!

Great way to wrap up a fabulous life together, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 07/14/2009
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She was dying. He was an 85 year old blind, deaf man. How much could have have done, especially if he didn't have the will to?

He was already an inspiration to people. How much longer did he have to serve others? at 85, in failing health, was it not OK for him to decide for HIMSELF what he wanted to have his life be about, how he wanted to live, how he wanted it to end?

How old is finally old enough, how ill is finally ill enough, that you can choose these things for yourself without being told you're being selfish? How old do you have to be before you're no longer told that you must continue on in a life you don't want, one you see as coming to an end soon anyway, not for YOUR sake, but for the sake of others?

How close to the end, how little out of life must you personally be getting before you're no longer told that you're selfish for not wanting to prolong your life for the emotional benefit of complete strangers on the internet who can't handle the concept of mortality?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/15/2009
- gavrielle I'm a Fan of gavrielle 22 fans permalink

What a selfish comment. All about what they could have done for others. Nothing about what they wanted for themselves.

May your life go exactly as everyone else wants it to go for you. Not how you want it to go for yourself. And with any luck, you will realize that you got just what you deserved for trying to run everyone else's lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 07/15/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 106 fans permalink

Did you read the article? She was 74 and dying of cancer. He was 85 and nearly blind and deaf.

At that age, after a long and happy marriage, it's common for the husband to die almost exactly a year after the wife. So they decided to go together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 07/15/2009
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