Conductor Edward Downes And Wife Joan Die In Swiss Suicide Clinic

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JILL LAWLESS | July 14, 2009 10:34 PM EST | AP

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This undated handout photo made available Tuesday July 14, 2009 shows renowned British conductor Edward Downes. British conductor Edward Downes and his wife have died at an assisted suicide clinic in Switzerland, their family said Tuesday July 14, 2009. The family said Downes, 85, and his 74-year-old wife Joan died Friday "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" at a Zurich clinic run by the group Dignitas. "After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," the statement said. (AP Photo/Bill Cooper/PA Wire) UNITED KINGDOM OUT NO SALES NO ARCHIVE

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. So Edward and Joan Downes decided to die together.

Downes – Sir Edward since he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 1991 – and his wife ended their lives last week at a Zurich clinic run by the assisted suicide group Dignitas. They drank a small amount of clear liquid and died hand-in-hand, their two adult children by their side. He was 85 and she was 74.

The deaths were a poignant coda to Edward Downes' illustrious musical career, and have reignited a debate in Britain about whether people should be able to help ailing loved ones end their lives.

The couple's children said Tuesday that they died "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" on Friday.

"After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," said a statement from the couple's son and daughter, Caractacus and Boudicca.

"They wanted to be next to each other when they died," Caractacus Downes told London's Evening Standard newspaper. "They held hands across the beds.

"It is a very civilized way to be able to end your life," he added.

Downes' manager Jonathan Groves said the couple were inseparable and would have reached the decision together.

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"Sir Edward would have survived her death, but he decided he didn't want to. He didn't want to go on living without her," Groves said.

One of Britain's most renowned conductors, Downes had a long and eminent career, which included years as head of the BBC Philharmonic and a five-decade association with the Royal Opera House.

In recent years he had become almost blind and nearly deaf, increasingly relying on his wife for support.

Joan, a former ballet dancer, choreographer and television producer, had devoted years to working as his assistant, but she was recently diagnosed with cancer of the liver and pancreas, and given only weeks to live.

Groves said he was shocked by the couple's deaths but called their decision "typically brave and courageous."

The double suicide is the latest in a series of high-profile cases that have spurred calls for a legal change in Britain, where assisted suicide and euthanasia are banned.

Under British law, assisting a suicide is punishable by up to 14 years in prison. But courts have become reluctant in recent years to convict people. No relative or friend of any of the Britons who have died in Dignitas clinics has been prosecuted.

The Metropolitan Police force said it had been notified of the deaths, and was investigating. Charges are unlikely.

Despite evidence of changing attitudes, parliamentary efforts to change the rules have all been defeated – most recently last week, when Parliament's upper chamber, the House of Lords, voted down an amendment that would have relaxed the prohibition on assisted dying.

Sarah Wootton, chief executive of campaign group Dignity in Dying, said the couple's deaths showed the need to regulate assisted suicide.

"This problem is clearly not going to go away," she said.

"People should be able to make such decisions for themselves, but safeguards are the key," she said.

Peter Saunders, of the anti-euthanasia group Care Not Killing, argued that loosening the law could "put vulnerable people, many of whom already think they are a financial or emotional burden to relatives, carers and the state, under pressure to end their lives through a change in the law."

More than 100 Britons have died in Swiss clinics run by Dignitas since the organization was established in 1998. The organization takes advantage of the country's liberal laws on assisted suicide, which suggest that a person can be prosecuted only if they are acting out of self interest.

Roughly 100 foreigners – most of them terminally ill – come to Switzerland each year to end their lives. Some are healthy except for a disability or severe mental disorder. Typically they go to a room run by Dignitas, which provides them with a lethal drink of barbiturates. In five minutes they fall asleep – and never wake up.

Other countries, including the Netherlands and Belgium, and the states of Oregon and Washington in the United States, allow the incurably sick to obtain help from a doctor to hasten their death.

Only Switzerland, in a law dating back to 1942, permits foreigners to come and kill themselves. Other organizations provide such services for Swiss residents, but Dignitas is the main organization for foreigners.

Critics accuse Dignitas of promoting "suicide tourism."

Dignitas charges 10,000 Swiss francs ($9,200) for its services, which include taking care of legal formalities and arranging consultations with a doctor willing to prescribe the barbiturates.

Edward Downes is one of the most prominent Britons to have traveled to Switzerland because of its open attitude toward the practice.

He was born in 1924 in Birmingham in central England. He studied at Birmingham University, the Royal College of Music and under German conductor Hermann Scherchen.

In 1952, he joined London's Royal Opera House as a junior staffer – his first job was prompting soprano Maria Callas. He made his debut as a conductor with the company the following year and went on to become associate music director. Throughout his life he retained close ties to the Royal Opera, conducting almost 1,000 performances of 49 different operas there over more than 50 years.

He also had a decades-long association with the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra, where he became principal conductor and later conductor emeritus. In the 1970s, he became music director of the Australian Opera, conducting the first performance at the iconic Sydney Opera House in 1973.

Edward and Joan Downes are survived by their children and grandchildren. The family said the couple had no religious beliefs, and there would be no funeral.

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Associated Press Writers Ernst E. Abegg and Alexander G. Higgins contributed to this report from Switzerland.

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with ...
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- rbryanh I'm a Fan of rbryanh 115 fans permalink

Life is ultimately the greatest art we possess, and honesty, taste, and timing are everything.

Bravo to the Downes for their grace, dignity, and humanity. I wish I had known them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 07/14/2009
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we all get the deaths we deserve? i often wonder if that is not the case. i am not sure most religions arose from an age where death could be held back and a long non-living state of pain and suffering and even unconsciousness is the goal of an expensive medical system. while easlily we euthanize animals, we grant to ourselves some higher and different standard when there is no purpose to further "life." as it is inhumane to allow an animal to suffer, why is it not humane to allow people to end human lives of suffering?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/14/2009

I also can't understand why there is a difference in the way we treat animals and people.

From Dictionary.net's definition of humane: "2. Having the feelings and inclinations creditable to man; having a disposition to treat other human beings or animals with kindness; kind; benevolent­."

Why do we not treat our fellow man as kindly as our pets?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/14/2009
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HUGE agreement with that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 07/14/2009
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I have often wondered the same thing, particularly after watching my 90 year old grandmother die a slow, agonizing death by starvation, due to an inoperable medical condition. If my dog or cat had the same health issue, we would never dream of allowing them to starve to death -- that would be "cruel and inhumane." Yet allowing a human to die the same way somehow grants them "dignity."

If I have a right to life, I have a right to death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 07/14/2009
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It is hierarchy my friend. The creator gave us responsibility over all things on earth. Plants, animals or what have you. However, no one person can govern another person because they are of the same level. The only one higher than us humans would be the creator and that is why he's the only one who have all our "off" switches.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 07/15/2009
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Calling everyone "friend" can rub some as passive aggressive. Just sayin'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 07/15/2009

What you call responsibility over all things the Bible calls husbandry, which by the definition extant in King James' time was about understanding of needs and attendance to those needs.

Husbandry is no more hierarchical than Biblical wifery notions that maternal strengths are valuable and do not mean submission as the word is currently defined.

But we get the definition of hell wrong, too. And thousands of other things in the bible.

It's amazing how much of our theology comes from poor english translation compounded by wrongheaded interpretation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/15/2009
- Tom Joad I'm a Fan of Tom Joad 290 fans permalink
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Their humanity and dignity should serve as a reminder to all of us that we need to be vigilant regarding our rights - the right to live as we please as well as the right to die as we please. I find this story a poignant reminder of that which makes us human - the capacity for compassion and love. May they both rest in peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 07/14/2009
- suzukimom I'm a Fan of suzukimom 5 fans permalink

What a beautiful expression of compassion and truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 07/14/2009

Reminds me a bit of that movie Soylent Green - where people can go in and voluntarily give up their lives. Except not that sensational of course...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 07/14/2009
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Reading this was particularly poignant for me.

My grandparents were married for 59 years before grandmother died. My grandfather grieved himself to death. It was slow and agonizing to watch as he first refused to tend to himself, then to get out of bed and finally even refusing to eat before he died 14 months later.

My parents were married for nearly 54 years when my mother died at age 84. My father has gone down hill since that time and is frequently angry & belligerent. He rails against 'god' for not taking them at the same time as he had prayed. On the first anniversary of her death, he totaled his car on a highway in the middle of the night. It was an accident that should have killed him to see the car, but he had relatively minor injuries. He has never been able to give us a reasonable explanation for why he was on the road at 2 am, over 100 miles from home.....

I admire their children for setting aside their own feelings and honoring their parents wishes and standing with them as they made this choice to end this life on their own terms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 07/14/2009
- psbintl I'm a Fan of psbintl 19 fans permalink
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Thank-you for sharing your story.

It really helps one appreciate what a wonderful gift each member of this family was to each by allowing them to die with dignity together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 07/15/2009
- nootrope I'm a Fan of nootrope 10 fans permalink
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Beautiful, dignified, humane. It's long past time to stop letting the christian fear of death run our lives and poison our deaths.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 07/14/2009
- Lerrin I'm a Fan of Lerrin 8 fans permalink
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Agreed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/14/2009
- avicenna I'm a Fan of avicenna 24 fans permalink
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And don't forget - lead us to war to kill others who are perfectly healthy and promote the "right to bear arms". They have a term for that - cognitive dissonance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 07/15/2009
- psbintl I'm a Fan of psbintl 19 fans permalink
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Agreed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 07/15/2009
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 374 fans permalink
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Bless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 07/14/2009
- myzenthing I'm a Fan of myzenthing 6 fans permalink
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I must say, it's been fascinating to read the comments on this one. One the one hand, you have many passionate, articulate pleas for death with dignity.

And on the other hand, you have Bible-thumpers arguing for continued agony and suffering because their god supposedly says it should be that way.

I dunno about anyone else, but I know which viewpoint sounds more humane to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 07/14/2009
- fnygy I'm a Fan of fnygy 6 fans permalink

I certainly see your point. But, as a secularist, I also have misgivings about assisted suicide. Of course I'm moved by this story - who wouldn't be? My worry is that culturally accepted assisted suicide could easily lead to elderly people being encouraged to commit suicide - especially in a culture like ours that worships youth.

I would support assisted suicide legislation - IF it does what it can to protect old people from greedy, impatient heirs and a state that might not want to pay health care costs and retirement benefits. It's not a simple yes or no issue, in my view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/14/2009
- psbintl I'm a Fan of psbintl 19 fans permalink
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I appreciate your concerns and therefore there is need for a certain degree of regulation regarding these matters.

But as long as a person is of sound mind, the choice is free and has not been coerced and there is no concern of greedy family members influencing the decision, then this should be a option for those who want it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 07/15/2009
- oregonbird I'm a Fan of oregonbird 67 fans permalink
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I've never wanted to understand the Xian point of view -- despite being raised RC. I've watched nuns beat children, priests run off to get married, was physically forced to participate in rituals I had no belief in -- and stated so, ow -- and have had to explain horrific placards and vicious verbal attacks by their relatives to my children.

Xians are control freaks with no sense of responsibility for the consequences their own actions. That is the best I've come up with for my kids; it's becoming more a topic of conversation as time goes by.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 07/14/2009
- suzukimom I'm a Fan of suzukimom 5 fans permalink

Wow. You, TomJoad, and nootrope have touched my consciousn­ess... and I have only just begun reading. Thanks to you and all of the other posters and readers at this site who have compassion and understanding for this couple and others who make the same choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 07/14/2009
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You have no more obligation to understand the Christian point of view than you have to understand any other form of delusional thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 07/15/2009

1. I'm a Christian. I don't know what a "Xian" is.
2. I resent people trying to stereotype me just as any other group resents being stereotyped. You don't want people calling you a freak. Don't call me a freak.
3. I don't want to control you or anyone else. I just choose to control myself like a lot of other Christians out there.
4. I interpret the message of my faith to be about brotherly-love. There are many Christians and churches that follow that message as well as free will. Don't put us in a box, please.
5. I know many Catholics who do not believe in controlling others, priests who have not run off to get married and nuns who wouldn't lay a finger on anyone. Again, please don't stereotype all people in a group. Please don't teach your children to stereotype the way you just did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 07/15/2009
- JoeSchmuk I'm a Fan of JoeSchmuk 14 fans permalink

Once again the issue seems to come down to choice, and whether one should have the right (the ability, the dignity, the integrity), to make one's own choices or not. What is with these people who profess to hate government, yet keep on wanting more governance (in other peoples lives esp)?

Pro-choice - it's my life (my body, my mind, my spirit, my decision) Please look to your own!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 07/14/2009
- Oonagh I'm a Fan of Oonagh 30 fans permalink

I totally agree, you have expressed exactly how I feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 07/14/2009
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Many folks stop living for years before they actually die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 07/14/2009
- JoeSchmuk I'm a Fan of JoeSchmuk 14 fans permalink

I hear that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 07/15/2009
- Mark Kraft I'm a Fan of Mark Kraft 22 fans permalink
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Death with dignity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 07/14/2009
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It is hard to believe that we have laws to prevent people from helping people end their lives when they want to. I don't think the government could be a whole lot more intrusive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 07/14/2009

I also wish to die at my time of choice! I hope more states than Oregon and Washington allow people to choose the time of their death - at the rate the U.S is going, I'll run out of money to live on especially if this recession continues, and we all live so much longer, and are a drain on the medical and financial sytstem of the country! We should be allowed to die with dignity at the time of our choice, not rust away in some dingy nursing home that profits from old people with health problems being allowed to vegetate because they have no other choice! BOOMERS UNITE - REFUSE TO GO THE NURSING HOME ROUTE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 07/14/2009
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 15 fans permalink

I want the same kind of dignity that we give our dying pets who are suffering, I want to be able to go to sleep when it's my time, I do not want to suffer unnecessarily.

So I'm on the same page as you are....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 07/15/2009
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Following your line of thinking friend, that everything boils down to personal choices and finances, then you think it is okay to turn a blind eye should more than half of the world who enjoys just about an eight (1/8) of what you have materially would want to k ill themselves because they feel it's below their dignity for somebody to have so much and for them to have none.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 07/15/2009
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It's not ok to turn a blind eye to how these utter inequalities were established and are being kept up by those who profit from it.

It's not ok to force your personal ideas on other people. That's not religion, that's not love of god, it's f.ascism. Plain and simple.

And please stop calling people "friend".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 07/15/2009

The line of thinking does not follow there at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 07/15/2009
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How fitting, tender and sublime. Like the climax in one of the musical compositions he had conducted, he and his wife chose their time and place and ended on the high note -- together. No doubt he heard his favorite classical rendition in his head, holding the hand of the love of his life. Could they ask for more?

This gives new meaning to the question: "O grave where is thy sting?"

(wish I could afford such a departure when I am ready, but with my luck, medical care will have taken it all by then)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 07/14/2009
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This is a love story. Very beutiful. I think they did the right thing. I only hope that I can be so lucky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 07/14/2009
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This is exactly what I thought. It was a love story...Th­is was the most touching news story I've read in a very long time. The commitment and courage to face the unknown together is awe inspiring to me. Bless them both and their families as well. Happy journey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/14/2009
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 15 fans permalink

Edward and Joan Downes went together, as apparently they had in life. So they were not alone.

Peace....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 07/15/2009
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