Conductor Edward Downes And Wife Joan Die In Swiss Suicide Clinic

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JILL LAWLESS | July 14, 2009 10:34 PM EST | AP

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This undated handout photo made available Tuesday July 14, 2009 shows renowned British conductor Edward Downes. British conductor Edward Downes and his wife have died at an assisted suicide clinic in Switzerland, their family said Tuesday July 14, 2009. The family said Downes, 85, and his 74-year-old wife Joan died Friday "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" at a Zurich clinic run by the group Dignitas. "After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," the statement said. (AP Photo/Bill Cooper/PA Wire) UNITED KINGDOM OUT NO SALES NO ARCHIVE

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. So Edward and Joan Downes decided to die together.

Downes – Sir Edward since he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 1991 – and his wife ended their lives last week at a Zurich clinic run by the assisted suicide group Dignitas. They drank a small amount of clear liquid and died hand-in-hand, their two adult children by their side. He was 85 and she was 74.

The deaths were a poignant coda to Edward Downes' illustrious musical career, and have reignited a debate in Britain about whether people should be able to help ailing loved ones end their lives.

The couple's children said Tuesday that they died "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" on Friday.

"After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," said a statement from the couple's son and daughter, Caractacus and Boudicca.

"They wanted to be next to each other when they died," Caractacus Downes told London's Evening Standard newspaper. "They held hands across the beds.

"It is a very civilized way to be able to end your life," he added.

Downes' manager Jonathan Groves said the couple were inseparable and would have reached the decision together.

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"Sir Edward would have survived her death, but he decided he didn't want to. He didn't want to go on living without her," Groves said.

One of Britain's most renowned conductors, Downes had a long and eminent career, which included years as head of the BBC Philharmonic and a five-decade association with the Royal Opera House.

In recent years he had become almost blind and nearly deaf, increasingly relying on his wife for support.

Joan, a former ballet dancer, choreographer and television producer, had devoted years to working as his assistant, but she was recently diagnosed with cancer of the liver and pancreas, and given only weeks to live.

Groves said he was shocked by the couple's deaths but called their decision "typically brave and courageous."

The double suicide is the latest in a series of high-profile cases that have spurred calls for a legal change in Britain, where assisted suicide and euthanasia are banned.

Under British law, assisting a suicide is punishable by up to 14 years in prison. But courts have become reluctant in recent years to convict people. No relative or friend of any of the Britons who have died in Dignitas clinics has been prosecuted.

The Metropolitan Police force said it had been notified of the deaths, and was investigating. Charges are unlikely.

Despite evidence of changing attitudes, parliamentary efforts to change the rules have all been defeated – most recently last week, when Parliament's upper chamber, the House of Lords, voted down an amendment that would have relaxed the prohibition on assisted dying.

Sarah Wootton, chief executive of campaign group Dignity in Dying, said the couple's deaths showed the need to regulate assisted suicide.

"This problem is clearly not going to go away," she said.

"People should be able to make such decisions for themselves, but safeguards are the key," she said.

Peter Saunders, of the anti-euthanasia group Care Not Killing, argued that loosening the law could "put vulnerable people, many of whom already think they are a financial or emotional burden to relatives, carers and the state, under pressure to end their lives through a change in the law."

More than 100 Britons have died in Swiss clinics run by Dignitas since the organization was established in 1998. The organization takes advantage of the country's liberal laws on assisted suicide, which suggest that a person can be prosecuted only if they are acting out of self interest.

Roughly 100 foreigners – most of them terminally ill – come to Switzerland each year to end their lives. Some are healthy except for a disability or severe mental disorder. Typically they go to a room run by Dignitas, which provides them with a lethal drink of barbiturates. In five minutes they fall asleep – and never wake up.

Other countries, including the Netherlands and Belgium, and the states of Oregon and Washington in the United States, allow the incurably sick to obtain help from a doctor to hasten their death.

Only Switzerland, in a law dating back to 1942, permits foreigners to come and kill themselves. Other organizations provide such services for Swiss residents, but Dignitas is the main organization for foreigners.

Critics accuse Dignitas of promoting "suicide tourism."

Dignitas charges 10,000 Swiss francs ($9,200) for its services, which include taking care of legal formalities and arranging consultations with a doctor willing to prescribe the barbiturates.

Edward Downes is one of the most prominent Britons to have traveled to Switzerland because of its open attitude toward the practice.

He was born in 1924 in Birmingham in central England. He studied at Birmingham University, the Royal College of Music and under German conductor Hermann Scherchen.

In 1952, he joined London's Royal Opera House as a junior staffer – his first job was prompting soprano Maria Callas. He made his debut as a conductor with the company the following year and went on to become associate music director. Throughout his life he retained close ties to the Royal Opera, conducting almost 1,000 performances of 49 different operas there over more than 50 years.

He also had a decades-long association with the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra, where he became principal conductor and later conductor emeritus. In the 1970s, he became music director of the Australian Opera, conducting the first performance at the iconic Sydney Opera House in 1973.

Edward and Joan Downes are survived by their children and grandchildren. The family said the couple had no religious beliefs, and there would be no funeral.

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Associated Press Writers Ernst E. Abegg and Alexander G. Higgins contributed to this report from Switzerland.

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- paganmist I'm a Fan of paganmist 67 fans permalink

"I Will Follow You Into The Dark"

Love of mine some day you will die
But I'll be close behind
I'll follow you into the dark

No blinding light or tunnels to gates of white
Just our hands clasped so tight
Waiting for the hint of a spark
If Heaven and Hell decide
That they both are satisfied
Illuminate the NOs on their vacancy signs

If there's no one beside you
When your soul embarks
Then I'll follow you into the dark

In Catholic school as vicious as Roman rule
I got my knuckles bruised by a lady in black
And I held my tongue as she told me
"Son fear is the heart of love"
So I never went back

If Heaven and Hell decide
That they both are satisfied
Illuminate the NOs on their vacancy signs

If there's no one beside you
When your soul embarks
Then I'll follow you into the dark

You and me have seen everything to see
From Bangkok to Calgary
And the soles of your shoes are all worn down
The time for sleep is now
It's nothing to cry about
'cause we'll hold each other soon
In the blackest of rooms

If Heaven and Hell decide
That they both are satisfied
Illuminate the No's on their vacancy signs

If there's no one beside you
When your soul embarks
Then I'll follow you into the dark
Then I'll follow you into the dark

Follow You Into The Dark, Death Cab for Cutie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 07/14/2009
- CaptD I'm a Fan of CaptD 19 fans permalink
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I'm happy for both of them!

America will soon allow this to happen once folks realize that ending your life in pain is not acceptable­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 07/14/2009
- MrsPeel I'm a Fan of MrsPeel 47 fans permalink
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Wonderful and lovely.

I used to be a member of Dignitas, until my disability status no longer allowed me to afford it. It's not that much per year, but times is tough.

I'm so glad they had a peaceful, painless end together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 07/14/2009
- BlueZoo I'm a Fan of BlueZoo 44 fans permalink

I read this story this morning in a local paper and it was disturbing to me on several levels. I do not dispute anyone who is gravely ill wanting the right to die as they please and taking their own lives; however, I have grave misgivings about "assisted" suicide. There are just too many cases where the elderly (and not so elderly) have been "assisted" off this mortal coil so that family members could inherit money. No matter what we choose to believe about the goodness of people, there are those out there who would gladly give a little push over the line for various reasons. I've often thought that Edward G. Robinson's death scene in "Soylent Green" is the way to go but I do recall he did that of his own accord. There have to be strict guidelines for assisting a suicide and I'm just not convinced they're adhered to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/14/2009

There is nothing in this story to indicate this was anything but their own choice.

People have a right to end their lives to spare suffering if they so desire, and you have no business whatsoever interfering in such a decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 07/14/2009
- whoknew--- I'm a Fan of whoknew--- 15 fans permalink

If I were to have an incurable illness that even with Palliative care would put me in a prolonged excruciating situation that would drain what little finances I have I would certainly decide that an assisted suicide would be a humane choice that would be seriously considered.

I would think that most people would at the very least consider that option, because of the seriousness of the situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 07/14/2009
- CaptD I'm a Fan of CaptD 19 fans permalink
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Hey forget the red tape you're talking about and realize that folks will fly to Switzerland!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 07/14/2009
- oregonbird I'm a Fan of oregonbird 67 fans permalink
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I know of NO SUCH CASES... I do know that the existance of those cases is often brought up as a kicker for the xian ideal of painful, extended death. The fact that you can point directly to a movie, but not list an actual case of ill-intentioned suicide, pretty much makes my point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 07/14/2009

Thank you... and get ready for the onslaught of comments on how ridiculous you sound even though you've made a sound (non religious) argument. There are also doctors who choose not to perform assisted suicide for reasons of ethics, the Hippocratic oath and so on. I think a philosophical debate would be healthy and good because all suicides are not created equal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 07/14/2009
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Death with compassion and dignity. Two reasons why it will never be law in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/14/2009
- Luschnig I'm a Fan of Luschnig 16 fans permalink

I blame entirely the christian religion for the horrible way we are condemned to die. Their attitude towards death is plainly displayed by the dead god on a stick that they worship in their churches. He was tortured, so everyone should suffer they believe. Because the christian shamans preach that the only way to really live is to first die. It is an anti-human death cult and that is why they fervently believe we must suffer the avoidable pains and indignities of death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 07/14/2009
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The Christians who are supposed to be anticipating eternal life at the hour of their death, are the most squeamish about death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 07/14/2009
- psbintl I'm a Fan of psbintl 19 fans permalink
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So true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 07/15/2009
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I just watched a good friends wife die in Hospice. This couple had adopted four 'special needs' boys. I'm watching my very religious friend imagine raising four small boys alone.. I'm watching his Facebook page fill up with people saying 'what a glorious day it is that she is now in a healthy body and dancing with Jesus.' and "god needed her more up there' kind of stuff.
How can these people be so conditioned that they think 'god' needs this woman more than her kids?

I know religion can seemiongly bring peace to people at times like this, but where does 'peace' end, and delusions begin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 07/15/2009
- marxmarv I'm a Fan of marxmarv 25 fans permalink
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After a death of someone close to you like that, some amount of dissociation from reality is a matter of self-preservation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 07/15/2009
- The Meek I'm a Fan of The Meek 10 fans permalink
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9,200 dollars, oh poop, I can't even afford to die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 07/14/2009
- Montgriz I'm a Fan of Montgriz 36 fans permalink

Get revenge...­.use your credit card...and give your miles to a friend....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 07/14/2009
- drumz I'm a Fan of drumz 59 fans permalink
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Yup, my brother tried working with my father's CC bills and when they refused to help I told him to just stop making payments. A month before my father died they started trying to make deals. They got stuck with over $20,000 of his debt. Only bummer was he spent it on himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 07/14/2009
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 07/14/2009
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Death with dignity is legal in Oregon if you have 2 doctors certify you only have 6 months to live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 07/14/2009

Medical technology can keep people from dying.
But that's not exactly keeping them alive.

How many patients in hospitals are in persistent vegitative states? How many of them will ever get their "lives" back?

A doctor friend of mine -- an oncologist who has seen plenty of these situations -- calls it "flogging the patient."

Granted this isn't a suicide anecdote, but....

An elderly relative in failing health had a "DNR" plastered IN LARGE LETTERS on her fridge. Unfortunately, the responding EMT's didn't see it. And by the time I got to the hospital, it was too late to undo the valiant efforts of the earnest and well-meaning EMT's. Nor would I have wanted to, as I loved this woman with all my heart. But the damage was severe and irreversible. So began the most painful two weeks of my life. Luckily, not for her, as she never regained consciousness.

The best medical system in the world "flogged" away for two weeks through a cascade of organ failures.

DNR = Didn't NOTICE the REQUEST!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/14/2009

I have to say that I am all for the choice they made. Even if I wasn't, I would not feel it was my place to condemn their choice. This is one of those issues in which religions feel they must intercede, in the belief that their chosen deity wishes it so. When they can present this deity to me and I can hear the words, I might give some credence to this belief, but somehow I have a feeling that even if they could, they'd be quite surprised to find that the 'all knowing' one would laugh at their presumption--and, not just on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 07/14/2009
- TigersEye I'm a Fan of TigersEye 54 fans permalink
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I agree. The argument for or against assisted suicide must not be based on religion. It cannot, as people have a right to religion, to agnosticism, or to be atheist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 07/14/2009
- kbkw54 I'm a Fan of kbkw54 57 fans permalink

It's too bad that we don't have that choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 07/14/2009
- katocat I'm a Fan of katocat 26 fans permalink

We sort of do in Oregon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 07/14/2009
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we should all be so blessed to die with so much love, peace and dignity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 07/14/2009
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You're talking just about your life here on earth. Look beyond. Compared to eternity on the other side life here is just a dot.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 07/15/2009

While I believe in eternal life of the soul I do not believe there's any value in making our physical lifespan into 85 years of hopeful martyrdom just because we think something better is around the next cloud.

Faith in a blissful afterlife has indeed kept many people going through tough times but it's also be used to justify all kinds of inequities and has excused lack of concrete action on the part of the faithful to effect change.

When your portion is after death, the argument has always been, why engage with the world.

But, oh, what if you're wrong?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 07/15/2009
- marxmarv I'm a Fan of marxmarv 25 fans permalink
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I do. And it ain't harps and angels.

The very fact you claim that your way is the only way makes it, with a high degree of likelihood, flat wrong. Now go pray in the closet as Jesus told you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/15/2009

Life is beautiful.
As a part of life, death can be as well.
These two artists appreciated life, beauty, and love.

Then again, I was struck by that per teh family there won't be a funeral.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 07/14/2009

No need for a funeral - they were able to say their goodbyes to the couple while they were still alive to hear it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 07/15/2009

My grandmother had to starve herself to death. She was in a home, her husband had already died, she'd seen what he went through, how there was no choice once he was put on the machines, she'd had a stroke, had an inoperable broken hip - and yet there was no way out for her other than to refuse food while she was still able to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 07/14/2009

She died a day before her granddaughter's wedding - and she knew it was coming, wouldn't have been able to be there - but it gave her daughter, the mother of the bride, such a difficult choice. With assisted suicide, she could have picked her own time - not whenever starvation happened to work - she wouldn't have had to hurry up and do it before she got hit with a feeding tube and lost her choices, and she wouldn't have had to endure starvation all those days. Her kids could have been right there with her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 07/14/2009
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I'm heartbroken. Your grandmother deserve better. But it does not mean we have to go against what is morally right. I hope that you would see the fact that any unhappiness one goes into, someone up there, if so merit, would give your comeuppance. Trust.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 07/14/2009
- katocat I'm a Fan of katocat 26 fans permalink

"Morally right" to who?

You?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 07/14/2009
- cosmicmom I'm a Fan of cosmicmom 9 fans permalink

"Morally right?"

Who died and made YOU God??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 07/14/2009
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Trust in what?there are hundreds of religious beliefs from which to choose - this couple chose their own - they trusted each other and the staff at dignitas - bravo - there is no moral high ground gained in submitting to a slow, painful, inevitable death - if we were a country which valued life, we would do so much better by each other throughout every life and at the each one's end - the physicians in zurich performed an act of love - peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/14/2009
- SaquaroSue I'm a Fan of SaquaroSue 16 fans permalink
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How extremely presumptuous of you to assume that your beliefs regarding what is "morally right" is universal and true for everyone. We should each be entitled to make our own decisions regarding our end of life choices without having to run them through your moral filter first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 07/14/2009

She was a devout Catholic, had the counsel of a priest regularly as they were very involved in their church. I see no reason to think you ideas of right and wrong, sin and not, are any better than hers - hers were informed by a long lifetime of devout service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/15/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 174 fans permalink

I'm sorry to hear about her suffering before she died. She deserved better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 07/14/2009
- Maka I'm a Fan of Maka 11 fans permalink

This was incredibly moving to me. As tragic and terrifying as death can be, there's something profoundly comforting in the knowing of when, how, where yours will come about. I'm glad this couple were able to end their lives together, on their terms, and without suffering. I wish the US could be so understanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 07/14/2009
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