Conductor Edward Downes And Wife Joan Die In Swiss Suicide Clinic

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JILL LAWLESS | July 14, 2009 10:34 PM EST | AP

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This undated handout photo made available Tuesday July 14, 2009 shows renowned British conductor Edward Downes. British conductor Edward Downes and his wife have died at an assisted suicide clinic in Switzerland, their family said Tuesday July 14, 2009. The family said Downes, 85, and his 74-year-old wife Joan died Friday "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" at a Zurich clinic run by the group Dignitas. "After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," the statement said. (AP Photo/Bill Cooper/PA Wire) UNITED KINGDOM OUT NO SALES NO ARCHIVE

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with terminal cancer. So Edward and Joan Downes decided to die together.

Downes – Sir Edward since he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth II in 1991 – and his wife ended their lives last week at a Zurich clinic run by the assisted suicide group Dignitas. They drank a small amount of clear liquid and died hand-in-hand, their two adult children by their side. He was 85 and she was 74.

The deaths were a poignant coda to Edward Downes' illustrious musical career, and have reignited a debate in Britain about whether people should be able to help ailing loved ones end their lives.

The couple's children said Tuesday that they died "peacefully and under circumstances of their own choosing" on Friday.

"After 54 happy years together, they decided to end their own lives rather than continue to struggle with serious health problems," said a statement from the couple's son and daughter, Caractacus and Boudicca.

"They wanted to be next to each other when they died," Caractacus Downes told London's Evening Standard newspaper. "They held hands across the beds.

"It is a very civilized way to be able to end your life," he added.

Downes' manager Jonathan Groves said the couple were inseparable and would have reached the decision together.

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"Sir Edward would have survived her death, but he decided he didn't want to. He didn't want to go on living without her," Groves said.

One of Britain's most renowned conductors, Downes had a long and eminent career, which included years as head of the BBC Philharmonic and a five-decade association with the Royal Opera House.

In recent years he had become almost blind and nearly deaf, increasingly relying on his wife for support.

Joan, a former ballet dancer, choreographer and television producer, had devoted years to working as his assistant, but she was recently diagnosed with cancer of the liver and pancreas, and given only weeks to live.

Groves said he was shocked by the couple's deaths but called their decision "typically brave and courageous."

The double suicide is the latest in a series of high-profile cases that have spurred calls for a legal change in Britain, where assisted suicide and euthanasia are banned.

Under British law, assisting a suicide is punishable by up to 14 years in prison. But courts have become reluctant in recent years to convict people. No relative or friend of any of the Britons who have died in Dignitas clinics has been prosecuted.

The Metropolitan Police force said it had been notified of the deaths, and was investigating. Charges are unlikely.

Despite evidence of changing attitudes, parliamentary efforts to change the rules have all been defeated – most recently last week, when Parliament's upper chamber, the House of Lords, voted down an amendment that would have relaxed the prohibition on assisted dying.

Sarah Wootton, chief executive of campaign group Dignity in Dying, said the couple's deaths showed the need to regulate assisted suicide.

"This problem is clearly not going to go away," she said.

"People should be able to make such decisions for themselves, but safeguards are the key," she said.

Peter Saunders, of the anti-euthanasia group Care Not Killing, argued that loosening the law could "put vulnerable people, many of whom already think they are a financial or emotional burden to relatives, carers and the state, under pressure to end their lives through a change in the law."

More than 100 Britons have died in Swiss clinics run by Dignitas since the organization was established in 1998. The organization takes advantage of the country's liberal laws on assisted suicide, which suggest that a person can be prosecuted only if they are acting out of self interest.

Roughly 100 foreigners – most of them terminally ill – come to Switzerland each year to end their lives. Some are healthy except for a disability or severe mental disorder. Typically they go to a room run by Dignitas, which provides them with a lethal drink of barbiturates. In five minutes they fall asleep – and never wake up.

Other countries, including the Netherlands and Belgium, and the states of Oregon and Washington in the United States, allow the incurably sick to obtain help from a doctor to hasten their death.

Only Switzerland, in a law dating back to 1942, permits foreigners to come and kill themselves. Other organizations provide such services for Swiss residents, but Dignitas is the main organization for foreigners.

Critics accuse Dignitas of promoting "suicide tourism."

Dignitas charges 10,000 Swiss francs ($9,200) for its services, which include taking care of legal formalities and arranging consultations with a doctor willing to prescribe the barbiturates.

Edward Downes is one of the most prominent Britons to have traveled to Switzerland because of its open attitude toward the practice.

He was born in 1924 in Birmingham in central England. He studied at Birmingham University, the Royal College of Music and under German conductor Hermann Scherchen.

In 1952, he joined London's Royal Opera House as a junior staffer – his first job was prompting soprano Maria Callas. He made his debut as a conductor with the company the following year and went on to become associate music director. Throughout his life he retained close ties to the Royal Opera, conducting almost 1,000 performances of 49 different operas there over more than 50 years.

He also had a decades-long association with the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra, where he became principal conductor and later conductor emeritus. In the 1970s, he became music director of the Australian Opera, conducting the first performance at the iconic Sydney Opera House in 1973.

Edward and Joan Downes are survived by their children and grandchildren. The family said the couple had no religious beliefs, and there would be no funeral.

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Associated Press Writers Ernst E. Abegg and Alexander G. Higgins contributed to this report from Switzerland.

LONDON — He spent his life conducting world-renowned orchestras, but was almost blind and growing deaf – the music he loved increasingly out of reach. His wife of 54 years had been diagnosed with ...
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This is a sad but also beautiful story. Thinking about a couple so much in love that they can't live without one another reminds me of my own grandparents, who are even older than this couple was. I also love the photo illustration accompanying this article. Joan Downes is absolutely gorgeous, and I love the way her and Edward's faces frame their newborn. Simply stunning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 07/14/2009
- RitaLouise I'm a Fan of RitaLouise 2 fans permalink

No one except me has any right (not government, Catholic hospitals, etc.) to tell me that I cannot end my life when I choose. This is my life, my body, and my decision. To those of you who are trying to buy your way to eternity, find some homeless and hungry person or family to help. Help those who want to live! The hypocrisy once more rears the ugly head here. How much time and money do you spend stopping capital punishment? Or going to war? And the killing of untold numbers of innocent men, women, and children? How much time and money going after rapists and child molesters? How much after trafficking of children to brothels? Did you oppose the Iraq war with the same vigor you support making those who are suffering live out that hellish life? I doubt it. Yet, our brave men and women along with Iraq civilians and others died and you murmured not a word. You hypocrites! Get a life, and get out of mine!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 07/14/2009
- vim876 I'm a Fan of vim876 23 fans permalink

If someone who isn't really elderly and has no other serious health problems who has severe major depression asks for assisted suicide, they should be caught in some kind of psych evaluation so they aren't able to do it. You never know how much longer you'll be sick. They could be better tomorrow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 07/14/2009

You miss the point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 07/14/2009
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There could be a better tomorrow, but it is not up to you or anyone else to tell that person that they have to keep on going until it comes. If a person wants to cease living, it is their decision ultimately. I would hope that no one makes such a decision rashly, but sometimes this will be the case. I do not look down on those who seek this route.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/14/2009
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If someone is eighteen, and they want to end their life, it should be their right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 07/14/2009
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Fanned and faved!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 AM on 07/15/2009
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Our life is not our own. We're here for a higher purpose. Dunno what each and everyone's purpose on earth. But i'm sure it is not living life to the fullest then ending it if we wanted it too. That power belongs to someone else. Others call it Go d, some A llah but definitely not doctor.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 07/14/2009

Our death is our own - and when it approaches, you should be able to choose how it happens - in prolonged agony with medical devices in your every orifice - or peacefully with those you love.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 07/14/2009
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True. And our life becomes our own after we are born. It is hateful, this idea that you are controlled from birth to death and life is a gift even when it begins to torture you. And this thing about "higher purpose", we each give our life meaning, and when our purpose is done, we know. Visit any nursing home and watch the suffering of the drooling terminally ill who want to depart and sometimes are stuck for long periods, unhappy and silently morose, waiting on the body to shut down, spending more on an illness than they have spent on themselves for a lifetime. At that point, I call their existence a "life sentence".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 07/14/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 168 fans permalink

Fanned!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 07/14/2009

The doctor doesn't decide. The patient does.

Using extreme life support - heck, using aspirin and antibiotics is playing God, keeping people alive who would otherwise die. If we've got a choice there (or do you object to all medicine? some religions do) - seems we'd have a choice for both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 07/14/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 113 fans permalink
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There is however a risk with this. If it becomes something which to make a lot of money through then this is likely to become all too common...

Just like with everything else, greed can pollute the minds of man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 07/14/2009
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Friend, all i'm saying is that you have got to play the deck of cards you're given. Not everybody can have a life of luxury that letting go of life would be incomprehensible. Sufferings are a part of LIFE. Just because life can sometimes be overbearing doesn't give you the right to end it. A lot of people around the world are suffering one way or the other. Those in poverty stricken africa, never ending war in the middle east, opressed burma etc.
Live LIFE to the fullest.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/15/2009
- Azmom I'm a Fan of Azmom 11 fans permalink
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Your OPINION. Doesn't make it fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 07/14/2009
- katocat I'm a Fan of katocat 26 fans permalink

Keep your religion to yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 07/14/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 113 fans permalink
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What exactly is this higher purpose?
And if I have to live for some deity.. then what sort of freedom do I really have?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 07/14/2009
- devildog21 I'm a Fan of devildog21 40 fans permalink

High minded words for someone who is clearly an uncloseted adherrent to the church of Flying Spaghetti Monster...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/14/2009
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Friend you have all the freedom in the world. We were precisely given that freedom to effectively exercise reponsibility over all things on earth. "Freedom" and "Responsibility go hand in hand. There can't be one without the other. We are all free to do whatever we want for as long as we be responsible to respect the nature of things.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/15/2009
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Our life is not our own. We're here for a higher purpose. Dunno what each and everyone's purpose on earth. But i'm sure it is not living life to the fullest then ending it if we wanted it too. That power belongs to someone else. Others call it God, some Allah but definitely not doctor.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 07/14/2009
- katocat I'm a Fan of katocat 26 fans permalink

Not your place to tell others how to live or die.

If that's the way YOu want to believe, fine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/14/2009
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What if you "Higher Purpose" is to be a leader in the fight for death with dignity campaign? Or to set an example of euthanasia for others to follow?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/14/2009
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Yes, living life to the fullest then ending it on our own terms - you're right, that sounds horrib- wait, no, the other one.

That sounds perfect.

[I'm about 4 decades off from even thinking of doing that for myself, but if this is how this couple wanted to end their lives, more power to them.]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 07/14/2009
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Hahaha I know it's perfect. When faced with problems it is only human to look for the easy way out. With the surrounding grief I myself have thought about how nice it would be to just end it all. That's why Go d made Meagan Fox to make life worth living. Hahaha seriously folks stop romanticizing death and just start LIVING. With adversity you either fight or flee. Wouldn't it be nice to say mission accomplished than mission aborted.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 07/15/2009
- festry548 I'm a Fan of festry548 7 fans permalink
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I am a Christian and I see nothing wrong with what these people did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 07/14/2009
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Some of my posts are missing. Anyway, I'm not here to judge anyone. End of the day whatever you do with your life is going to be just between you and your Go d. All I'm doing is trying to spread the word that everybody has a role, everybody is important and everybody matters. Even the most despicable human being have a mother, child or friend that would be devastated should he/she taken ahead of her time.

Peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 AM on 07/15/2009
- jtjsrch I'm a Fan of jtjsrch 6 fans permalink

MY life IS my own FOOL! Take your religious beliefs and shove them. I am 64, have had a great life, traveled the world, lived very well but frankly I am getting "Tired of it all". If I choose to go I will and I don't need some religiously brain-washed idiot to tell me I cannot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 07/14/2009
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I had no idea the Swiss legal system and society were so enlightened. Dignitas eh? I will have to keep that in mind for the time comes that I have grown completely weary with this mortal coil. Too bad here is the U.S we are saddled with the Christian dogma that it is noble to live a life of misery or one with no hope or pleasure. The only down side to an informative article like this is those who think they know what is best not just for themselves, but also everyone else will try and screw this up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 07/14/2009

*

Think of it, lover! I and thee
Permitted face to face to be;
After a life, a death we'll say, --
For death was that, and this is thee.

-- Emily Dickinson

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 07/14/2009
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Ah, but to die well...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/14/2009
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 169 fans permalink
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It seems we should all be saving for our last trip......­........ to Switzerland.
One way ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/14/2009
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lol...don'­t get carried away now...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 07/14/2009
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if people in the US could have control over their own lives (and deaths?) The US cannot advance while the "flat earth" Christian Right continues to control the courts and Congress. What a travesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 07/14/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 168 fans permalink

People in Oregon and Washington do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 07/14/2009
- FrankenPC I'm a Fan of FrankenPC 48 fans permalink

I knew a Hospice nurse (LOL...I use "knew" lightly). Anyway, she told me many stories about elderly couples. Many tales were about one of the couples having passed away naturally and the other commits suicide shortly thereafter. Sad they have to kill themselves. Usually in a very disturbing way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 07/14/2009
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Everyone has the right to take their own life. The only question is how society can help ease the pain and suffering.

Any law prohibiting assisted suicide is a useless law indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 07/14/2009
- FrankenPC I'm a Fan of FrankenPC 48 fans permalink

It's a religious issue. You know the part about separation of church and state? It's a lie.

Freedom OF religion..­.not freedom FROM it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 07/14/2009

Freedom of religion - that means I get to act according to my own religious convictions - that I am not forced to follow yours. Don't believe in assisted suicide? Don't have one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 07/14/2009
- katocat I'm a Fan of katocat 26 fans permalink

It YOUR religious issue, not mine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 07/14/2009
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Its not a lie. If I don't have the freedom to say no to "your" religion, then how can I choose my own?
It requires freedom FROM.. [too]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/14/2009
- CJCalgirl I'm a Fan of CJCalgirl 8 fans permalink

Dear FrankenPC, You are absolutely right! We expect proofs of claims made in nearly every other category of life, (Purchases, etc.) than we get from any religion on this planet. To think of a creator who is subject to the same emotions and temper tantrums as we exhibit is ludicrous and diametrically opposed to the creative genius of our universe and all it's wonders, discovered and yet to be known. If we are truly created "in his image", we have a big ego problem, and we couldn't be the product of such obviously flawed judgment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 07/14/2009
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This is really where we as humans get it absolutely wrong. We seek always to impose our thoughts and feelings to what other people choose to do with their lives. It is a selfish and obtuse view of what we do to our dogs and cats everyday sick or not. This country is forever attempting to criminalize anything that isn't approved by a local Baptist church it seems. I say these are private matters and people should respect that even if they do not agree. I despise this self endowed right we seem to have to judge other people and what they may or may not do with their very own lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 07/14/2009
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"Critics accuse Dignitas of promoting "suicide tourism.""


Conservative logic (or lack thereof...­)

The government should stay out of people lives...**­UNLESS**..­.it's a matter of life...

Nicely done Switzerland, wish the rest of the world were as civilized, at least on this particular issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/14/2009
- FrankenPC I'm a Fan of FrankenPC 48 fans permalink

LOL! Conservative + logic reality

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 07/14/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 168 fans permalink

Agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 07/14/2009

Soylent Green.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/14/2009
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A person, if sound of mind, should indeed have the right to end their life whenever they so desire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/14/2009
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Yes.

And we should be able to dictate to our family and doctors how we wish to
die if and when we can't make the decision for ourselves.

My dad had a DNR document which a Catholic Hospital refused to honor until
my mother, siblings and I demanded a meeting with with their Review Board.
We had to face 10 plus doctors, nurses etc and speak for my father.
Some of these doctors lied to us about the "painful" side of letting dad die.
it didn't happen.
One, the honcho, told us he would never do this to his father.

In the end, we were told we could take my dad home to die. He came home
and died peacefully two days later.
He knew he was dying. He knew he was home. He knew all of us. He was completely at ease
with his impending death. He was remarkable.
The man was a hero
of WW II and a wonderful husband, father and friend to many.
He deserved respect from the moment he was born until the moment he died.

A few days after dad died, my sisters returned to the hospital for some paperwork and one
of the nurses from the Review Board stopped them in the hallway and
said he hoped his daughters would be as determined to respect his
wishes as we had been. He thought we had been brave in tackling the Review Board.

We think we were being loving daughters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/14/2009

It sounds like you have a wonderful family. Your father was a brave man at peace in the time of his passing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 07/14/2009

Wonderful! Bravo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 07/14/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 168 fans permalink

Catholic hospitals can be a big mistake. They will let a mother die to save the fetus and they will not respect your wishes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 07/14/2009
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No Government entity or Religion should tell us when and how we die. This is something that will happen to ALL of us and WE should have the right to die as we please. I have always felt this way, even when I was a little boy.

I always saw it the way it was portrayed in Soilent Green. A room with a bed, they ask you what music you would like to listen to and show you beautiful images on screens that span your vision. During this they give you a lethal drink or injection and you close your eyes and you die peacefully the way you wanted to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 07/14/2009
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You must be a SciFi fan, as I thought about Soylent Green too.

"Going home"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 07/14/2009
- been2there I'm a Fan of been2there 12 fans permalink

I have thought long and hard about this. There is a difference between "respect for life" and "fear of death." This difference is, I think, at the heart of many conflicts, including abortion, euthanasia and assisted suicide. If I respect life, do I not have to consider the quality of that life? Doesn't respect for life include accepting the reality of death?
Euthanasia, I think, is the most difficult. In abortion, a parent decides for a child, long before the child's birth or awareness, that life quality will not be sufficient. This is true even for the very rare irresponsible sort who uses abortion for birth control. In assisted suicide, the people decide for themselves that life quality is lost. In Euthanasia, another person makes decisions for the one who is ill, and that other person is not necessarily concerned with the first person's life. Still, when my beloved cat became terminally ill and was in pain, I held him close to let him go. Why would I do less for my husband or child?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 07/14/2009
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Wonderful viewpoint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 07/14/2009

There are two lives involved in abortion. The mother's life and body ALSO deserves respect.

And, it IS a parents responsibility to make decisions for their child, in all situations. So, why not in a the question of life quality. No one should have the power to usurp a parents' right and responsibility to make decisions for their child...pa­rticularly when and where they (the govt) sees fit. I personally think many parents are shamefully irresponsible in the food they allow their children to eat and the endless hours of tv allowed to their children. Should I, or government, legislate this form of life quality as well? Bad food and lots of tv leads to fat, lazy kids. Doesn't the bible preach against sloth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 07/14/2009

DOes your support of parental rights extend to the point that parents are entitled to deny medical treatment for their children's curable illenss opting instead for prayer or oatmeal enemas or whatever other sorcery they care to embrace? Also, where do you stand on child abuse. There must be some threshold where the government has the obligation to protect the child from the parent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 07/14/2009
- MJinCanada I'm a Fan of MJinCanada 106 fans permalink

The seven deadly sins were a creation of early Christian dogma.

Sloth was a combination of two other sins, melancholy and failure to do one's duty to the church, etc. Basically, today we call it depression and treat it with drugs and therapy.

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