Israel Warships Cross Suez In Possible Iran Signal

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MATTI FRIEDMAN | 07/14/09 11:29 AM | AP

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JERUSALEM — Two Israeli warships sailed through the Suez Canal on Tuesday, Israeli and Egyptian officials said, a move that appeared to be a new signal to Iran that Israel's reach could quickly extend to its archenemy's backyard.

The Suez Canal is a strategic waterway linking the Mediterranean to the Red Sea, the gateway to the Persian Gulf. Use of the Egyptian-controlled canal means Israeli naval vessels could reach waters off Iran in a matter of days, instead of taking a much longer route around Africa.

Israeli vessels regularly use the canal. But what is noteworthy in recent weeks is that the navy's moves have been publicized, albeit unofficially, by Israel.

Two of Israel's Saar class missile boats crossed through the Suez Canal and into the Red Sea, Israeli defense officials said. Speaking on condition of anonymity because the move was not officially publicized, they said it was connected to "the navy's recent activities around the Red Sea."

A Suez Canal official in Egypt confirmed the report.

Israel considers Iran its most serious threat, citing Tehran's nuclear program, its support for anti-Israel militant groups and bellicose statements by its hardline president. Israel believes Iran is developing nuclear weapons _ a charge Iran denies _ and has refused to rule out military action if Iran pushes forward with its atomic program.

Earlier this month, Israeli defense officials said one of the navy's Dolphin class submarines had also sailed to the Red Sea through the Suez Canal in June, returning July 5. Beyond the ability to threaten shipping, some foreign media reports say Dolphins can fire nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and serve as Israel's deterrent "second-strike" capability, allowing Israel to launch nuclear weapons from afar even if the country itself is targeted by a nuclear attack.

"There is nothing unusual about the navy being in those waters _ they often train there," said Shlomo Brom, a former Israeli general and a security expert at the Institute for National Security Studies.

"What is unusual, though, is that this information was made public. I believe it was likely leaked on purpose in order to signal to Iran that Israel has the capability of reaching them," Brom said.

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said that under a long-standing treaty, warships can freely sail through Suez as long as they have no hostile intentions against the state that owns the canal. He declined to say whether the maneuver was aimed at sending a message, saying "I don't want to analyze an issue that I am not fully aware of."

JERUSALEM — Two Israeli warships sailed through the Suez Canal on Tuesday, Israeli and Egyptian officials said, a move that appeared to be a new signal to Iran that Israel's reach could quickly ...
JERUSALEM — Two Israeli warships sailed through the Suez Canal on Tuesday, Israeli and Egyptian officials said, a move that appeared to be a new signal to Iran that Israel's reach could quickly ...
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BubbaC33

Wrote “You are wrong. Closing the Straits of Tiran was an act of war. Massing over 100,000 troops on the Israeli border was an act of war. Nothing you can offer will change those two facts. The statement attempting to compare the ISrael ships to the events of 1967 are intellectually dishonest. How you see it is unimportant.”

Interesting.
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The straits of Tiran are an 8-mile wide waterway between Egypt and Saudi Arabia. If you are a signatory to the united convention of the sea then territorial waters extend 12 miles from your coastline.

In the case of Israel it’s territorial waters extend 12 miles past Aqaba.

At Sham el Sheikh, which is well beyond the 12mile limit of Israel’s territorial waters Egypt decided to exercise control of its own territory and not allow Israeli ships to pass. It’s not being friendly. But refusing access to another nation to your territorial waters is not an act of war. Also last I looked moving troops anywhere within the borders of your own country is not the business of anyone else.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 AM on 07/16/2009
- Scent I'm a Fan of Scent 25 fans permalink

Yes, sure.

After we gave them the Shah and those bad bad people got rid of that massmurderer ;
after we made Saddam kill a million of them and they shoved him back across the border;
flexing muscles against them will make them back down.

Sure.

Guys, I don't think You get the concept of fighting for freedom. Sure we kicked out the british. But in this time and age it is those we fight who fight for THEIR freedom and it is us who are the ones who get kicked out time and again.

I know it is hard to get information up all the way past bladder, kidney, rock, and lungs.

But isn't it time even YOU started to develop something like a conscience?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 07/15/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 104 fans permalink
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Sorry, what were you saying?
I was busy listening to a voice coming from a burning bush who says he's the boss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 07/15/2009
- anthead I'm a Fan of anthead 10 fans permalink
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Remember the USS Liberty?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 07/15/2009
- NurseTina I'm a Fan of NurseTina 4 fans permalink

Yes, an unfortunate incident due to the fact the US failed to inform the IDF of the Liberty's mission, even after being asked for info on friendly ships in the area.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 AM on 07/15/2009
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

Been drinking the Israeli government Kool-aid again? 34 dead Americans and 171 wounded Americans on a US Navy ship in international waters - a ship clearly marked as a US vessel - big American flag - attacked in broad day light AFTER numerous overflights by Israeli air force jets. The so-called investigation was a cover up done during the height of the Cold War with the US involved in Vietnam and nearly all of the Arab world at the time allied with the Soviet Union. Officially the US accepted the Israeli version of mistaken friendly fire BUT No one in the US chain of command from Lyndon Johnson on down accepted the Israeli excuse. The USS Liberty was repeatedly attacked over the course of several hours by both Israeli air and naval units - there are recorded instances of Israeli air crews telling their controls that the vessel is American but the attacks continued.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 AM on 07/15/2009
- kentah I'm a Fan of kentah 10 fans permalink
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Always blame the victim?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/19/2009
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Recommended Reading:
Navy Vet Honored, Foiled Israeli Attack
http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern06022009.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 07/15/2009
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The rationale behind the ‘67 war was that it was preemptive due to the build up of Egyptian troops in the Sinai. We constantly hear that Israel has the right to defend itself. Every nation has that right. We then have to ask ourselves whether there is any reason for a build up of troops in the Sinai other than an attack.

Well! Yes! Defense.

Many will say that Egypt had nothing to fear from peace loving Israel.

To which I remind them Suez 1956.

Still Israel felt that Egyptian troops massing in Sinai was a significant enough threat to launch a preemptive strike (their rationale) Applying the same standards, to Iran as to Israel, Iran has every reason to feel threatened by Israeli warships of its coast, as Israel had to feel threatened by Egyptian troops near its border.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 07/14/2009
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 152 fans permalink
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You forget that Israel launched that attack to stop Britain and France, NOT Egypt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/14/2009

Eh? Britain and France attacked Egypt WITH Israel as an ally. Nationalization of the Suez canal being the major reason. The US saved Egypt by putting the slapdown on the adventure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 07/15/2009
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

Double eh! - the plan was for Israel to attack Egypt across the Sinai and then the French and British "intervened" to protect the canal. The plan was to destabilize the Egyptian government under Nasser and regain control of the Suez canal which Nasser had nationalized. The United Nations, the United States and the Soviet Union all forced the three countries to stop their aggression and withdraw from Egyptian territory.

Like your picture, Palemoon - your grasp of the facts, not so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 07/15/2009
- BubbaC33 I'm a Fan of BubbaC33 37 fans permalink

Prior to the attacks by the IAF Egypt had used military force to close the Straits of Tiran, which was an act of war. The fact of the matter is Egypt fired the first shots of the war, not Israel. This was followed by the massing of over 100,000 troops of a pan-Arab army controlled by Egypt, also considered to be an act of war.
Israeli ships sailing through the Suez is hardly the same as the actions by Egypt and the pan-Arab army in 1967. To attempt to compare the recent actions of a few ships of the Israeli navy to the acts of war by Egypt and her allies is intellectually dishonest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 07/15/2009
- phute I'm a Fan of phute 20 fans permalink

An act of war - nah - just another example of your inability to apportion blame where it is due.
Intellectual dishonesty - a bit over the top - and only serves to undermine your own Israeli talkback input.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 07/15/2009
- sammyscout I'm a Fan of sammyscout 13 fans permalink
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Israel is a trouble maker, wheter here or abroad. It is the only ally of ours that has sold our secrets to our enemies, sank our ships and yet we continue to give large military and financial aid

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 07/14/2009
- pkafin I'm a Fan of pkafin 19 fans permalink

Israel attacked one American ship 42 years ago in the fog of war. Moreover, it was before large amounts of aid was flowing from the US to Israel. In the run up to the war in 1967, the Americans helped to enforce an arms embargo against Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 07/15/2009
- PWM I'm a Fan of PWM 238 fans permalink
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That's true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 07/16/2009
- Freenation I'm a Fan of Freenation 24 fans permalink

guess the lobbyists meeting with obama paid off...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 07/14/2009
- Raziorizzo I'm a Fan of Raziorizzo 2 fans permalink

It's about time!! Let the bombing begin. We have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran is right in between Not to far to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 07/14/2009
- whitehawk I'm a Fan of whitehawk 16 fans permalink

Isreal must stop the provocation!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 07/14/2009
- NurseTina I'm a Fan of NurseTina 4 fans permalink

What flippin provocation? Why can't their warships go wherever they want? Ours seems to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 07/14/2009
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Query:
What would your response be if Iran had sent warships in the opposite direction?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 07/14/2009
- Freenation I'm a Fan of Freenation 24 fans permalink

There is huge difference between US and others...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/14/2009
- petera63 I'm a Fan of petera63 14 fans permalink
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What provocation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 07/14/2009
- Jesusland I'm a Fan of Jesusland 2 fans permalink
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To Iran, Israel's very existence is a provocation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 07/14/2009
- NurseTina I'm a Fan of NurseTina 4 fans permalink

Not to just Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 07/14/2009
- CigarGod I'm a Fan of CigarGod 104 fans permalink
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Israel knew it's creation on stolen and carpetbagged land...after driving 700,000 Palestinians from their homes.....would forever provoke their neighbors.

They chose conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 07/14/2009
- Taxi I'm a Fan of Taxi 34 fans permalink

I call Israel's bluff.

More than that

I say please Israel go ahead

Make our day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 07/14/2009
- Johnz52 I'm a Fan of Johnz52 5 fans permalink
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President Eisenhower knew how to deal with the Israelis. It's a damn shame we've forgotten his lessons in leadership putting U.S. foreign policy over that of what Israel wants. What a novel idea. This is exactly why AIPAC was created so Israel would never have to deal with an America first mindset on Capital Hill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 07/14/2009
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 152 fans permalink
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BEST... POST... EVER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 07/14/2009
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Is it coincidental that this is happening shortly before the joint US/Israel missile testing off the coast of California?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 07/14/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 65 fans permalink

Pictures of the ships WE PAID FOR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 07/14/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 65 fans permalink

The Israelis are testing Obama.

Will he roll over and play ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 07/14/2009
- Palemoon I'm a Fan of Palemoon 152 fans permalink
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They never miss an opportunity to promote war, unrest and enflame global passions do they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 07/14/2009
- NurseTina I'm a Fan of NurseTina 4 fans permalink

Yeah, and the rest of the ME is peace loving doves. Give me a frigging break.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 AM on 07/15/2009
- driven989 I'm a Fan of driven989 9 fans permalink

If you cannot see that Israel is clearly trying to provoke Iran, then your bias is blinding you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 07/15/2009
- Doomestic I'm a Fan of Doomestic 9 fans permalink

There is a hidden story in this. It is not only Israel testing Iran or the US, it is also the pro-western Egyptian dictatorship testing the Egyptian people, and they have crossed several red lines this year alone.

Expect the next major regime crisis in Egypt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 07/14/2009
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