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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and BEN FELLER | July 15, 2009 11:04 PM EST | AP

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Rep. George Miller, D- Calif. listens at right as President Barack Obama delivers remarks on health care reform, Wednesday, July 15, 2009, in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama achieved a milestone Wednesday when a Senate committee approved a plan to revamp the U.S. health care system.

The Senate panel's action, which attracted no Republican votes, came as the president's campaign organization rolled out television ads to build support for his top domestic priority.

Obama met with Republicans at the White House in search of an elusive bipartisan compromise on his call to expand coverage to the nearly 50 million uninsured Americans as well as restrain spending increases in health care.

But the 13-10 party-line vote in the Senate health committee signaled a deepening rift in Congress. While Democrats respond to Obama's call for action with renewed determination, Republicans are using harsher words to voice their misgivings.

In the House, Democrats began pushing legislation through the first of three committees, although moderate and conservative members of the rank and file were demanding changes. In the Senate, lawmakers were considering fees on health insurance companies as a new source of potential financing for a $1 trillion package that's short on funds.

"We have delivered on the promise of real change," Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said as he presided over the Senate health committee vote, alluding not only to his bill but also to Obama's campaign promise.

The president was in the Rose Garden for the latest in a daily series of public appeals to Congress to "step up and meet our responsibilities" and move legislation this summer. Obama also pushed his message in network television interviews, telling employers that his plan would require them to offer benefits or face a fine.

"If you can afford it, either give your employees health insurance or pay into the pot so that we're not subsidizing you," Obama told CBS News.

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He also reversed a campaign stance against requiring everyone to buy health care coverage.

"I'm now in favor of some sort of individual mandate as long as there's a hardship exemption," he said. "If somebody truly just can't afford health insurance even with the subsidies that the government is now providing, we don't want to double penalize them."

Wednesday's Senate health committee vote "should make us hopeful – but it can't make us complacent," Obama said. "It should instead provide the urgency for both the House and the Senate to finish their critical work on health reform before the August recess."

The health panel's $615 billion measure would require individuals to get health insurance and employers to contribute to the cost. The bill calls for the government to provide financial assistance with premiums for individuals and families making up to four times the federal poverty level, or about $88,000 for a family of four, a broad cross-section of the middle class.

Obama wants the House and Senate to act on health care this summer so lawmakers can reconcile differences in their respective bills after Labor Day and put final legislation on his desk this fall.

Obama's all-out effort since he returned from his overseas trip last week has "galvanized things," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said.

Obama met at the White House with Republican Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Bob Corker of Tennessee and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

"I urged him not to rush consideration of the bill," Collins told reporters later. "This bill is going to affect virtually every American. If the president tries to rush this through in the next two weeks ... I fear the process will be very divisive."

Another senior Republican, whom Obama courted only a few months ago to become his commerce secretary, also sounded alarm bells.

"This supposed health care fix is a health care failure and a disaster for the American people," Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said. "We still have time to turn this process around instead of steamrolling our country into a sub-par government-run plan, but it will require serious action from Democrats and Republicans and a pledge to put politics aside."

The debate is taking on a campaign-like edge. In the cross-hairs are moderate senators, Democrats and Republicans, whose votes could make the difference in a closely divided Senate.

Obama's political organization launched a series of 30-second television ads on health care, which were to begin airing Wednesday in Washington and on cable TV nationally. A version will run for two weeks on local stations in Arkansas, Indiana, Florida, Louisiana, Maine, North Dakota, Nebraska and Ohio to prod senators to back the health care effort.

In the ads, private citizens describe problems they've had with the medical system and say it's time for action. The sponsor is Organizing for America, Obama's campaign organization, which has become part of the national Democratic Party. The group would not reveal the cost.

Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., one of the lawmakers targeted, said the ads would not affect his decision. He has concerns that the evolving Democratic plans would give government too big a role.

Obama planned White House meetings Thursday with Nelson and Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, another potential swing vote.

Obama supports a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, but he says he doesn't want to overturn the system of employer-sponsored health benefits that has served middle-class families for better than half a century. He wants the legislation to be fully paid for and the total cost kept around $1 trillion over 10 years.

"The American people have to recognize that there's no such thing as a free lunch, right?" Obama told NBC News. "So we can't just provide care to everybody that has no costs whatsoever."

Wednesday's vote in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee took the Senate only part of the way toward passage of an overhaul bill. Another panel, the Finance Committee, still has to unveil its approach. The plan is to combine the two bills for a floor vote.

Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., met Wednesday with committee Democrats to try to settle how to pay for the bill and other issues, and later met with moderate Democrats who don't sit on his panel.

Obama has pushed Baucus to have a bill ready by week's end, but Baucus declined to say whether he'd made a timetable commitment to the president or whether he'd be able to deliver by Friday. "We're just not quite there," Baucus said.

Baucus is aiming for a bipartisan bill. He praised the health committee's work but said of their legislation: "That's a partisan bill."

"I think it's virtually impossible to get 60 votes on a partisan bill," Baucus said, referring to the number needed to advance legislation in the 100-member Senate.

Finance Committee members are considering a proposal from Schumer that would raise $100 billion over 10 years by imposing new fees on health insurance companies.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner and Alan Fram contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama achieved a milestone Wednesday when a Senate committee approved a plan to revamp the U.S. health care system. The Senate panel's action, which attracted no R...
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Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 AM on 07/08/2009
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Part Two

Third, you get moved around from doctor to doctor...unfortunately, many doctors don't agree with each other on the treatment for one and the same illness or condition, and this leads to mass confusion and can even endanger the patient's health.

Lastly, because a national healthcare system like ours is one of the most expensive things in the world to run, the gov't tries to cut corners at every turn...this means, just to name one area, finding the che@pest medicines and where, BEING che@p, they are often of inferior quality. They review price by the month.

Again, overall, it's great, but everyone should be aware that with any kind of gov't run healthcare of the socialized kind, and given the cost, there might be these problems.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 07/08/2009
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/16/2009
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Why are you re-posting Abby's posts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/16/2009
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Whats wrong with that? She wanted to share with us, so I am doing that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 07/16/2009

Ummm...the UK has a purely socialized medical care system, and NO ONE is advocating that here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 07/16/2009
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BANNED AGAIN!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/16/2009
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For what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 07/16/2009
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Your guess is as good as mine......

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Ollie did it.

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not that you care but I fanned you for temperance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 07/16/2009
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Just from a UK perspective and with regard to our national healthcare system, which is socialized, it's generally quite good. But there are problems.

First, waste: the gov't wastes mind-boggling amounts of money on think tanks that come up with crackbrained ideas that are implemented and then often have to be abandoned, because the think tank didn't think it through. Last year the gov't wasted billions on this. Also, they waste horrific amounts of money on hundreds of thousands of cute, eye-catching pamphlets... that nobody ever reads. (If you see 50 pamphlets on some health topic at your surgery (doctor's office to you) in July, there will be 49 of them left the following July.)

Second, cleanliness: about half of our hospitals are fil_thy and because of this there is the MRSA bu_g (the equivalent, or near equivalent, to what you over there call 'staff infection'); many people (in the hundreds) di_e every year in the UK from the MRSA bug (having survived major operations, cancer, etc.). The solution is simple hand-washing but that has become too time-consuming for many nurses and even doctors. It is not unusual for whole wards to have to be closed because of MRSA. Because the solution is so simple, this is a sc@ndal. Often they hire foreigners who can't even speak English, let alone read it, because they work for less pay, and sometimesit is these people who inadvertantly spread the bu_g.

Abbey, UK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 07/16/2009
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I didn't know we were clones of the UK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 07/16/2009
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The posts' are abbeys! It's wierd right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 07/16/2009

willw is incapable of appreciating the "subtle" differences between a socialized medical system and a single payer system, i.e., America's Medicare/Medicaid.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/health_reform_for_beginners_th_1.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 07/16/2009
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Your second paragraph applies equally to hospitals in the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 07/16/2009
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Like?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 07/16/2009
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The civilian hospitals I go to here in Georgia have never been nasty. Even the ER's are nice and clean. All the rooms I've been in were private. When I have given birth to my kids, the maternity rooms looked like hotel rooms. When my daughter was admitted a couple of times, her rooms were like every child's dream castle. Even with the video games, dvd and whirlpool bath. When my spouse was in the military, I hated to put my purse down on the floor, or walk barefoot in their clinics and hospitals. I have heard plenty of horror stories about VA hospitals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 07/16/2009
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You do realize that their system is NOTHING like what this legislation proposes. Right?


No one is talking about the government taking over the hospitals and hiring doctors and nurses. To try and make some sort of comparison is ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 07/16/2009
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Go teabag yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 07/16/2009
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Wow...another deep thinker with a great rebuttal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 07/16/2009
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Why didn't you answer me? I answered you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 07/16/2009
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100% of what is collected through federal income taxes is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt … all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government-Grace Commission.

http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm

The military is paid for by the amount of corporate tax that is collected. The roads are paid for by the tax on each gallon of gasoline. Are you serious with your nonsense? Stop believing the propaganda and actually do some independent research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 07/16/2009
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I keep getting scrubbed!! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 07/16/2009
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According to the Grace Commission..."100% of what is collected through federal income taxes is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt....all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government."

http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm

The military is paid for by the amount of corporate tax that is collected. The roads are paid for by the tax on each gallon of gasoline. Are you serious with your nonsense? Stop believing the propaganda and actually do some independent research.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 07/16/2009
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I prefer Mr. Hyde.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 07/16/2009
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make that Dr. Hyde. How fitting.

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Paul looks great but that hair color has got to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 07/16/2009
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LOL!! Traci I have to agree with you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 07/16/2009
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I think he's had work done, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 07/16/2009
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Ewww!

You're right MizTraci!

You know it's not a cheep d ie job either but it still looks like he//

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 07/16/2009
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jekyll asks: Why should I have to pay for your health insurance? At least the employee helps the business make its profit. What do you do for me?

Through my taxes I pay for the roads you drive on, military that protects and defends your country, police that protect you, air traffic controllers who make sure your flights are safe, and all the other host of publicly funded services which you either use yourself or which people you depend on use in service to you. I, and others like me, pay for the kind of country that lets you prosper. What do I do for you? I teach your children to discover the best in themselves, to make the world a better place, to be true to their deepest beliefs, even if those are not my beliefs, and to leave school better people than they were when they came into it.

That's why, bub.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/16/2009
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Well stated, faved and fanned.

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Fanned

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 07/16/2009

Thanks s omuch, Ponderus!! Love it. Well said. Great way to wind the the day here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 07/16/2009
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The military is paid for by the amount of corporate tax that is collected. The roads are paid for by the tax on each gallon of gasoline. Are you serious with your nonsense? Stop believing the propaganda and actually do some independent research.

Also...ALL of what is collected through federal income taxes is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt....all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government

http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 07/16/2009
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My answer to your foolishness was finally posted above after being scrubbed 5 times.

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Applause ! Applause ! Absolutely agree with Ponderus :)

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Don't hurt yourself now....:)

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OT: paul mccartney on letterman in a few minutes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 07/15/2009
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thanks traci

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Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/15/2009
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After 70 years of attempts and failures, we've finally reached a point where universal health care will be achieved.

For some reason, 2 groups are upset: Republicans and fringe Liberals.

Republicans are upset for obvious reasons: Universal health care helps people, and will pretty much end the Republican party's chances of ever regaining power (who would vote for a party that wants to get rid of the health coverage you have?).

Fringe Liberals are upset because they didn't get the Single Payer plan they demanded (and demanded and demanded). They were insisting on a plan that no Presidential candidate campaigned on. Not Obama. Not Clinton. Not Edwards. Not Richardson. Not Dodd. Not Biden.

Only Dennis Kucinich campaigned on it -- and he garnered a whopping 1% (of Democratic primary voters at that!).

The rest of the candidates campaigned on a public option. Obama won a mandate for a public option. Now that Obama is asking for a hardship exemption on mandates, it's basically the EXACT plan he campaigned on.

Kucinich and Conyers have introduced a Single Payer plan in EVERY session of Congress for 6 years. HR 676 has never even made it out of committee. Not even with a Democratic Congress. .

So like I said, there are 2 groups unhappy: Republicans and fringe Liberals.

The other 72% are happy, and see the coming achievement for what it is: a huge success for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/15/2009
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There are flaws that will need fixing. The most important being the start date of 2013.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 07/15/2009
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I agree. That can be handled in reconciliation between the House and Senate -- and I think it will.

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Great post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 07/15/2009
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I know we aren't mainstream. But as a libertarian, I just sort of wish you'd leave me alone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 07/15/2009
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You will be left alone. Keep the insurance you already have.

But we still end up paying for the uninsured in ER visits. It would have been cheaper to offer them preventative care.

With a public option, they will now have preventative care.

It may not be the Libertarian position, but it's certainly fiscally conservative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 07/16/2009

If I remember rightly, Obama campaigned on single-payer first, then for a no-pay plan, and now a pay plan. He just recently indicated that he might even consider a plan without a public option. I'm not a fringe liberal and I don't believe what is being offered is universal health care. Single payer IS universal health care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/15/2009
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Actually Obama did not campaign on single payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 07/16/2009
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Obama NEVER campaigned in the 2008 presidential election for a single payer plan. Not in the primaries. Not in the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 07/16/2009

Having fun, VichyDem?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 07/16/2009
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If you mean a member of the overwhelming majority of Democrats, then yes. I'm having fun.

How are you and the rest of the less than 1% dea.denders doing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 07/16/2009
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Why do we allow our health and sickness to be traded like a commodity on Wall Street? Why are the insurance companies doing whatever they can to please Wall Street and not their paying customers? Any other business would be kaput if they treated their customers like big INS does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/15/2009
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I drink too much. I'd like to thank you folks for a new liver transplant. I'll hold off until you pay for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 07/15/2009
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Don't fight it , just do it!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 07/15/2009
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After 40 years of paying taxes? I want to die a long death as you pukes pay for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 07/16/2009
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We already pay for it.

What do you think happens when these people show up at the ER. Much of these treatments could have been avoidable with preventative care. And cheaper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 07/15/2009
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Bingo! My private health insurance premiums increase because hospitals have to charge more for services due to ER cases that could have been avoided. We've been paying for these cases for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/16/2009
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Dont forget that Brain transplant you need even more!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/15/2009
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Drinking too much is not your ony problem, judging from the post on the other thread. Truly unbelieveabe.

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Did you ask to have sex with me?

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Great job Al!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 07/15/2009
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Honest question: how do health insurance companies help patients?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 07/15/2009
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I find that since they went from touchtone to voice automation, my time spen on hold has gone down from 60 minutes to 30 minutes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/15/2009
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lol! better muzak, i hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/15/2009
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They don't

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/15/2009
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I view health insurance companies as a discount program for medical services where I shell out thousands of dollars each year for the privilege.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 07/15/2009
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They help pay for costs related surgeries, preventative care, and emergency care. They also negotiate lower rates with Dr.'s something we can do too with hospitals, if there was an emergency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 07/16/2009
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Honest question: why should businesses have to pay for health insurance for their employees? Wouldn't it help their bottom line if they didn't have that expense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 07/15/2009
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It seems so obvious.

Especially for smaller businesses.
But all businesses.

They could pay higher wages too if they didn't have to put so much into health benefits.
Of course the greedy b@stard probably wouldn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 07/15/2009
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Why should I have to pay for your health insurance? At least the employee helps the business make its profit. What do you do for me?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 07/15/2009
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Why should they even have to pay wages to their employees, either? Surely that will help their bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/15/2009
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Yes it would help the bottom line. But as an employer, the more benefits you give the better the quality of the employees you keep, anr=d the pay off is usaully in the employers benefit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/15/2009
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OK, but if your employees didn't need health care from you, aren't there other ways you could give them benefits? More vacation time? Higher wages? It might still end up saving you money. I just don't understand why you would want to keep spending all that money if there's an alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/15/2009
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This single issue is what allows marginal, break-even Canadian businesses to keep functioning.

Single-payer public health insurance will shave 30% off the total US health delivery cost.

This single act will position America sufficiently to be competitive once again in the global manufacturing sector.

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Those questions become an issue, if the method of providing health care is employer based. If we had a single payer - not employer based system, we would not have those issues. And depending how much of a social conscience a company had, it might also realize that healthy, producive employees ( preventive health care focus) can improve their bottom line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 07/15/2009

Exactly!

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We are in horrible debt as a country and in these financial times why in the world do we continue to spend all this money we don't have? Also, forcing people to pay for health care they don't want? Fining companies and people for not having healthcare? Whatever happened to our right to choose?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 07/15/2009
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I don't have that right to choose -- I can't afford health insurance, at least not as it's currently available. What about my right to choose?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 187 fans permalink
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WHAT about your right to health and life!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/15/2009
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De Facto under the current system you don't have a right to choose (if you are under age 65). That's I support the single payer system .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 07/15/2009
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It's sad that people can't seem to grasp what has been repeated over and over and over: costs of healthcare as the system currently is run, is one of the biggest, if not the biggest contributor to our national debt. A reformed healthcare system will bring those costs down and our deficit down over time. Healthcare and the economy are linked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 07/15/2009
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Do you honestly think the insurance companies are allowing you the power to choose? They choose for you. What to pay, what treatment they approve, whether to continue to insure you, whether you should have insurance ever again in the future. You have no power in this scenario.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 07/16/2009
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Single Payer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 07/15/2009

Bingo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 07/15/2009

Co-sign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 07/15/2009
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

Yup, yup..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 07/15/2009
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