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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and BEN FELLER | July 15, 2009 11:04 PM EST | AP

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Rep. George Miller, D- Calif. listens at right as President Barack Obama delivers remarks on health care reform, Wednesday, July 15, 2009, in the Rose Garden of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama achieved a milestone Wednesday when a Senate committee approved a plan to revamp the U.S. health care system.

The Senate panel's action, which attracted no Republican votes, came as the president's campaign organization rolled out television ads to build support for his top domestic priority.

Obama met with Republicans at the White House in search of an elusive bipartisan compromise on his call to expand coverage to the nearly 50 million uninsured Americans as well as restrain spending increases in health care.

But the 13-10 party-line vote in the Senate health committee signaled a deepening rift in Congress. While Democrats respond to Obama's call for action with renewed determination, Republicans are using harsher words to voice their misgivings.

In the House, Democrats began pushing legislation through the first of three committees, although moderate and conservative members of the rank and file were demanding changes. In the Senate, lawmakers were considering fees on health insurance companies as a new source of potential financing for a $1 trillion package that's short on funds.

"We have delivered on the promise of real change," Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said as he presided over the Senate health committee vote, alluding not only to his bill but also to Obama's campaign promise.

The president was in the Rose Garden for the latest in a daily series of public appeals to Congress to "step up and meet our responsibilities" and move legislation this summer. Obama also pushed his message in network television interviews, telling employers that his plan would require them to offer benefits or face a fine.

"If you can afford it, either give your employees health insurance or pay into the pot so that we're not subsidizing you," Obama told CBS News.

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He also reversed a campaign stance against requiring everyone to buy health care coverage.

"I'm now in favor of some sort of individual mandate as long as there's a hardship exemption," he said. "If somebody truly just can't afford health insurance even with the subsidies that the government is now providing, we don't want to double penalize them."

Wednesday's Senate health committee vote "should make us hopeful – but it can't make us complacent," Obama said. "It should instead provide the urgency for both the House and the Senate to finish their critical work on health reform before the August recess."

The health panel's $615 billion measure would require individuals to get health insurance and employers to contribute to the cost. The bill calls for the government to provide financial assistance with premiums for individuals and families making up to four times the federal poverty level, or about $88,000 for a family of four, a broad cross-section of the middle class.

Obama wants the House and Senate to act on health care this summer so lawmakers can reconcile differences in their respective bills after Labor Day and put final legislation on his desk this fall.

Obama's all-out effort since he returned from his overseas trip last week has "galvanized things," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said.

Obama met at the White House with Republican Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Bob Corker of Tennessee and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

"I urged him not to rush consideration of the bill," Collins told reporters later. "This bill is going to affect virtually every American. If the president tries to rush this through in the next two weeks ... I fear the process will be very divisive."

Another senior Republican, whom Obama courted only a few months ago to become his commerce secretary, also sounded alarm bells.

"This supposed health care fix is a health care failure and a disaster for the American people," Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., said. "We still have time to turn this process around instead of steamrolling our country into a sub-par government-run plan, but it will require serious action from Democrats and Republicans and a pledge to put politics aside."

The debate is taking on a campaign-like edge. In the cross-hairs are moderate senators, Democrats and Republicans, whose votes could make the difference in a closely divided Senate.

Obama's political organization launched a series of 30-second television ads on health care, which were to begin airing Wednesday in Washington and on cable TV nationally. A version will run for two weeks on local stations in Arkansas, Indiana, Florida, Louisiana, Maine, North Dakota, Nebraska and Ohio to prod senators to back the health care effort.

In the ads, private citizens describe problems they've had with the medical system and say it's time for action. The sponsor is Organizing for America, Obama's campaign organization, which has become part of the national Democratic Party. The group would not reveal the cost.

Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., one of the lawmakers targeted, said the ads would not affect his decision. He has concerns that the evolving Democratic plans would give government too big a role.

Obama planned White House meetings Thursday with Nelson and Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, another potential swing vote.

Obama supports a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, but he says he doesn't want to overturn the system of employer-sponsored health benefits that has served middle-class families for better than half a century. He wants the legislation to be fully paid for and the total cost kept around $1 trillion over 10 years.

"The American people have to recognize that there's no such thing as a free lunch, right?" Obama told NBC News. "So we can't just provide care to everybody that has no costs whatsoever."

Wednesday's vote in the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee took the Senate only part of the way toward passage of an overhaul bill. Another panel, the Finance Committee, still has to unveil its approach. The plan is to combine the two bills for a floor vote.

Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., met Wednesday with committee Democrats to try to settle how to pay for the bill and other issues, and later met with moderate Democrats who don't sit on his panel.

Obama has pushed Baucus to have a bill ready by week's end, but Baucus declined to say whether he'd made a timetable commitment to the president or whether he'd be able to deliver by Friday. "We're just not quite there," Baucus said.

Baucus is aiming for a bipartisan bill. He praised the health committee's work but said of their legislation: "That's a partisan bill."

"I think it's virtually impossible to get 60 votes on a partisan bill," Baucus said, referring to the number needed to advance legislation in the 100-member Senate.

Finance Committee members are considering a proposal from Schumer that would raise $100 billion over 10 years by imposing new fees on health insurance companies.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner and Alan Fram contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama achieved a milestone Wednesday when a Senate committee approved a plan to revamp the U.S. health care system. The Senate panel's action, which attracted no R...
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I want to know what's going to happen with the slimy pharmaceutical companies. They are not helping people. They make these medications that only lead to more diseases which makes people buy more medications. What about the CURE ??? You think you have something, print a coupon, take it to your doctor (P.S. your doctor gets a payment for each rx your fill depending on their deal with the rx company). So I forecast how my migraine will lead my liver to fail which will cause me to have a heart attack. Great cycle we have going on here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 07/15/2009
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 59 fans permalink

We need to be smart consumers and not fall for a sales pitch. Why get a new and "improved" drug that costs a fortune when it is no better than the tried and true -- which is now probably cheap and generic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 07/15/2009

Because our doctor's and our hospital's fall for the sales pitch. They diagnose, convince, and prescribe. Vicious cycle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/15/2009
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gop ~ The F the people party !
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/15/2009

Why are you leftists so angry all the time? You know what you said can't be true. You're just intolerant of anyone with a differing point of view. http://theclosetconservative.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 07/15/2009
- Pleneras I'm a Fan of Pleneras 55 fans permalink
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Yeah I know Lindsey is a closet conservati­ve.. lot's of them are. We still waiting for him to come out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 07/15/2009
- Ponderus I'm a Fan of Ponderus 280 fans permalink
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So, tcc2 -- what's more important to the GOP? Money or people? "Ye can not serve God and mammon" (Matt. vi. 24). Is it the Grand Old Party -- or Gold Over People?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 07/15/2009
- levibatgirl I'm a Fan of levibatgirl 277 fans permalink
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If t ort ure, lying to Congress, wa r profiteering, politicizing our DOJ and voter suppression p isses us off, too 'effing bad!

Keep calling them 'different points of view'. You sound like ro ve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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Wait a minute. Am I in the right place? Is that a health care headline on the front page of HP? Why is it not buried 10 stories down the page as usual??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/15/2009
- Ponderus I'm a Fan of Ponderus 280 fans permalink
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Did they get tired of tabloid piffle?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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there turning into fauxnews.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/15/2009
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Exactly.

That's the way it's been for months. But they are just itching for another Madoff headline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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What is AH's aversion to covering health care in an intelligent manner? I don't get it. I thought she was progressive. Guess not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 07/15/2009
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not good enough

in fact it stinks

Dennis Kucinich has a bill for single payer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 07/15/2009

After all it worked so well in Canada and England. http://theclosetconservative.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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I think the British and Canadians feel sorry for us poor saps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/15/2009

It does work well in England and Canada. It works well in Sweden, France, Germany, Australia. I've been there and experienced it, have you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 07/15/2009
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Yes, let's keep the same tired old system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the middle class is no more. The problem with getting rid of the middle class is who then is going to pay for the government employees to get their healthcare? Let's just keep going along the old path of doing nothing to help our enviroment. Let's burn more oil, fight more war's for oil. After all we're all going to die anyway. Why should we take care of our planet for future generation's, we get to enjoy it and after all we're the most important thing in the world aren't we? You people make me sick!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 07/15/2009
- levibatgirl I'm a Fan of levibatgirl 277 fans permalink
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*yawn*

more poopaganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 07/15/2009
- Ponderus I'm a Fan of Ponderus 280 fans permalink
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LM, is it better than what we have now -- or worse? I really want to know? Is there any chance I could get coverage? I haven't had health insurance for almost ten years and I'm getting scared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/15/2009

I don't blame you. But what they need to do is change the laws so you can buy insurance across state lines to increase competition. They could also make changes in the tax code to make it more affordable. Government isn't going to lower the cost and they're going to ration care. If you're a woman over a certain age good luck getting treatment for breast cancer. President Obama suggested taking the pain killer instead of going for surgery. A rare moment of honesty from POTUS. http://theclosetconservative.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/15/2009
- BlueOnBlue I'm a Fan of BlueOnBlue 63 fans permalink
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If you earn less than 1.5 times the federal poverty level, you can get subsidized insurance under Medicaid. Otherwise, you will be forced to buy your own insurance or pay a penalty.

How is that for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 07/15/2009

I have only looked through the House bill and it basically puts a stop to the worst of the insurance company abuses including pre-existing conditions, rescinding coverage, extremely high deductibles, etc. They won't be able to charge higher premiums based on health, but will be able to for age. I think not more than double.

They are attempting to maintain employer based coverage by limiting the public option to individuals and companies with 10 or fewer employees the first year.

Overall, there wasn't anything terrible. I would prefer single-payer, but the House bill is more or less what the president promised during the campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 07/15/2009

Single payer is not only system that works. France, Japan, Germany, and others have proven that public insurance does work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/15/2009
- Pleneras I'm a Fan of Pleneras 55 fans permalink
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Their principles are different than ours. People first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 07/15/2009

Single payer DOES work.

ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF THINKING FOR YOURSELF???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Wait until the elderly read the fine print. The battle lines will begin to form. It will be entertaining to watch all the politicians run for cover when the special interest details are exposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 07/15/2009
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Elderly are on medicare dummy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/15/2009

LOL! nonein2008 - another fine No Child Left Behind suck-sess story. heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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The elderly are covered and AARP is pushing hard for a complete overhaul of the health care system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 07/15/2009

I don't know if I'd go that far in describing what AARP wants...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 07/15/2009
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Good news for Obama is...

Great news for John McCain!

-Mark Halperin-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 07/15/2009
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Mark Halperin has to be the most useless 'journalist' in the business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 07/15/2009
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

He's a complete idio.t....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/15/2009
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Mark Halperin is not stewpid but he seems to have caught a bad case of McCain that he can't shake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 07/15/2009
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.... umm, feelin' a little on the impotent side there GOPers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 07/15/2009

enjoy it while it lasts demos cause 2010 is coming and passing this bill will be bad bad bad for demos! i love that fact! the reason you all hate palin is because you know she is a threat!
so go ahead do all the damage that you want because a democrat will be a hated breed! everything that your lord obama is ramming through congress is poison to his re-election!
Deal with THAT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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time for another cocktail?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 07/15/2009

Speaking of health care and Palin, did you see that Alaska has had a moratorium placed on their medicare patients by the feds because it has been so poorly managed that people are dying waiting for care?

"State programs intended to help disabled and elderly Alaskans with daily life -- taking a bath, eating dinner, getting to the bathroom -- are so poorly managed, the state cannot assure the health and well-being of the people they are supposed to serve, a new federal review found.(sni­p) A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help." http://www.adn.com/life/health/story/864670.html

Is that a Naughty Monkey I hear dropping?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 07/15/2009

From single payer, to no charge, to 'we can't just supply health care to everyone'. I thought that most industrialized nations do supply health care to everyone. The Bush years have made my cynical, but I'm afraid what he is saying is that we can't undermine the health insurance companies that subsidize both Democrats' and Republicans' elections.

I've read analysis after analysis, tackled reading the bills myself, and still can't see how the bills presented represent any kind of major change, except to nominally offer some competition to the insurance industry which, I assume, is why the Republicans are balking so heavily. Any threat to the capitalistic status quo seems to rile them. They cry 'socialized medicine' but I see no indication of that in the bills presented. Would that it were!

It's sad, but in the back of my mind I'm beginning to echo what I've read in blog after blog... "at least it's something.­" We've been given two aspirins and told to call back next year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 07/15/2009
- edva I'm a Fan of edva 49 fans permalink

Funny the Repubs say "steamrolled". That's what insurance companies have done to us for years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

And steamrolling by the Medicare system. It will be good when it passes and we can get away from the worst of the system, Medicare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 07/15/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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Medicare is bad? My mom got good care for many years on it. Without it, she would have had none.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 07/15/2009

Ummm...the GOP should cut your per-post pay by half. Lame, man...real­ly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/15/2009
- ScaryBob I'm a Fan of ScaryBob 4 fans permalink

Scre.w the repu.gs! We'll go it alone. I'm sick of the party of NO !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/15/2009
- lohy I'm a Fan of lohy 17 fans permalink

I have not ever and will not ever sc.re.w a Repube....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 07/16/2009
- dandypuddin I'm a Fan of dandypuddin 177 fans permalink
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Why does Max Bacchus keep harping on and on about a bipartisan bill? Could it be that he promised his contributors he see what he could do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/15/2009

Hmmm...his name keeps appearing atop the list of recipients of health insurance campaign contributions, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 07/15/2009
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Dodd's bill is not reform. It is a subsidy for the health insurance industry.

If this goes through, or something even worse (as seems likely) I will ashamed to have worked so hard to get Obama elected.

This is not change. It is being shortchanged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 07/15/2009
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Would it be better than what we have now?

Is it possible it could be improved later, it it goes through as it is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 07/15/2009
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My biggest fear is that we get a weak bill, it gets called "reform" and then Congress won't revisit the issue for another generation. I think we're better off with no bill for a while than a weak bill now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Those with the best lobbyist, win. It is politics wrapped in a populist cover. But at the end of the day, we know the special interest come away with their pockets full.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 07/15/2009

Are you satisfied with that?

I'm not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 07/15/2009
- Subterfuge I'm a Fan of Subterfuge 19 fans permalink

Oh come on now. Where is my post? It wasn't "awaiting approval". It posted.

Real data, people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 07/15/2009
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Twice now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 07/15/2009
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http://www.campaignmoney.org/healthcare/nelson

"Sen. Nelson has received $1,195,299 from insurance interests, $399,345 from health professionals, $258,483 from the pharmaceutical industry, and $195,138 from hospital and nursing home interests.­"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Those with the best lobbyist win. But, why pick on one politician, look at all their records, where you can. They are getting better at hiding the special interest funding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/15/2009
- TexasKG I'm a Fan of TexasKG 12 fans permalink

We need health care reform, but what is wrong with taking a few months to discuss and come up with a plan that will not bankrupt our country? Are you people so blind and drunk with power that you do not care what happens to America? Let's take our time and get it right. We do not have to tax small businesses out of business or run every millionaire businessman out of the US. There are ways to accomplish this that most people will go along with. But cramming down the throats of Americans is not the way to go. It will be the end of the short lived Democratic rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/15/2009
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A "few months"?

Get real.

We've had over 10 years to figure something out.

Do. It. Now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/15/2009
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15.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

They have acted many times. Remember, they gave us HMO's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/15/2009
- edva I'm a Fan of edva 49 fans permalink

Are the American people supposed to sustain the millionaires indefinitely?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 07/15/2009
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They think they sustain us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 07/15/2009
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As long as each of the lizard brains thinks EVERYONE vs ANYONE can become rich...yes­. If everyone could become rich in our life time who's going to work for who? Capitalism is not designed that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 07/15/2009
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We can't were broke and out of work. They need to find another source for their addiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/15/2009

We've already spent months. Actually, we've spent 15 years on this issue. No more delays. Tired of endless debate that only kills off health care reform. The people that always scream, "Slow down!!!", are the same ones that never offer any concrete proposals. They just whine, complain, and criticize. It's time to get off our butts and make this happen. There is no such thing as a perfect solution. Accept that and move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Those yelling loudest to hurry are the lobbyist, so that we don't read the fine print and find their special deals. Not that we have a history of cramming through legislation with all kinds of fine print. When the people find out, it will be in place but the politician will simply say "I voted for it, before I was against it".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/15/2009

We've been trying to get health care for everyone since Harry Truman was president. There is always some reason for delay. Either the economy is good and therefore no reason to change or the economy is bad and we can't afford it. If we can spend 700 billion to bail out a bunch of bankers, we can certainly figure out how to get health care for average citizens. Republicans are fighting because successful reform will mean a new generation of Democratic voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 07/15/2009
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We are being bankrupt if we don't fix it this year! The hard heads are not listening. the 47 million uninsured filed hospital claims to get the bill paid by the state.. through social services at the hospital called PATH applications in addition to several other names. They come in by the hundreds every day. Those bills are exaggerated. Emergency bill at 3,000 is outrageous! That is what's reducing the budget. Raise the taxes a bit, giver everyone universal healthcare, eliminate the FAKE OUTRAGEOUS BILLS and you won't bankrupt the economy.

People need to wake up! Call it socialize if you want, it's not communism fools! It's not a bad word nor is it associated with Marx. FEAR AND IGNORANCE will kill you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 07/15/2009
- jekyll I'm a Fan of jekyll 20 fans permalink

Oh well why not....the government run Medicare only loses $60 Billion/year. Lets create another money-losing bureaucracy for the benefit of all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 07/15/2009
- edva I'm a Fan of edva 49 fans permalink

Yes, it does cost money to care for people. Get rid of insurance profits and it will cost less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 07/15/2009
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Like I said....le­ts get rid of the insurance companies.­..and go to a system where the taxpayers will lose at least another $60 Billion/year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/15/2009
- noneIn2008 I'm a Fan of noneIn2008 27 fans permalink

Get rid of the elderly and it will cost much less. Read the fine print on "best practices" and board selection of treatments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 07/15/2009
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