Pentagon Won't Ban Tobacco Products In War Zones

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PAULINE JELINEK | July 16, 2009 12:19 AM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Smoke 'em if you got 'em. The Pentagon reassured troops Wednesday that it won't ban tobacco products in war zones. Defense officials hadn't actually planned to eliminate smoking – at least for now. But fear of a ban arose among some troops after the Defense Department received a study recommending the military move toward becoming tobacco-free – perhaps in about 20 years.

Press secretary Geoff Morrell pointedly told a Pentagon news conference that Defense Secretary Robert Gates is not planning to prohibit the use of cigarettes, chewing tobacco or other tobacco products by troops in combat.

"He knows that the situation they are confronting is stressful enough as it is," Morrell said, noting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I don't think he is interested in adding to the stress levels by taking away one of the few outlets they may have to relieve stress."

Gates will review the new study to see if there are some things than can be done to work toward the goal of having a smoke-free force some day, Morrell said.

"Obviously, it's not our preference to have a force that is using tobacco products," he said, noting health concerns and the high cost of caring for health-related problems.

The study, commissioned by the Pentagon and the Veterans Affairs Department, recommended that the military start making incremental moves toward becoming smoke-free. The report by the Institute of Medicine suggested the services could start by banning smoking at military academies, then among recruits. It said the VA and Pentagon should eliminate use of tobacco on its facilities and the military should stop selling tobacco products at its commissaries.

The military and VA have been working for years to reduce smoking among soldiers and vets through a number of programs. The Pentagon laid out a plan in 1999 to reduce smoking rates by 5 percent a year and reduce chewing tobacco use to 15 percent by 2001 – and still wasn't able to achieve the goals.

"Tobacco use declined overall from 1980 to 2005, but there has recently been an increase in consumption, possibly because of increased tobacco use by deployed troops," the study said.

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The military hasn't placed a high enough priority on reducing tobacco use, according to the study, and that while smoking has declined in the U.S., it remains higher in the military than in the civilian world.

In 2005, a third of members of the active-duty military smoked compared to a fifth of the adult U.S. population, the study said, adding that it "has been implicated in" higher dropout rates during and after basic training, higher absenteeism in the military and other problems.

Criticism of the proposals spread across the Internet and among troops.

"Our troops make enough sacrifices to serve our nation," said Brian Wise, executive director of the advocacy group Military Families United. "They give up many of the freedoms civilians enjoy already without being told they cannot partake in yet another otherwise legal activity."

Spc. Charles Rodriguez, 23, said he started smoking long before he joined the Army and that his pack-a-day habit doesn't affect his physical fitness. His Army instructors during basic training made him quit, but he quickly started up again, Rodriguez said in an interview outside of Fort Campbell, Ky.

During his last deployment to Iraq, Rodriguez found a lot of time to smoke while troops were patrolling or just hanging around the base. He said one of his friends who doesn't normally smoke would join him for a cigarette during the deployment, just out of boredom

Said Rodriguez, "There's nothing else to do and they're cheap over there."

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Associated Press writers Kristin M. Hall in Oak Grove, Ky., and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS the spelling of Rodriguez.)

WASHINGTON — Smoke 'em if you got 'em. The Pentagon reassured troops Wednesday that it won't ban tobacco products in war zones. Defense officials hadn't actually planned to eliminate smoking &nd...
WASHINGTON — Smoke 'em if you got 'em. The Pentagon reassured troops Wednesday that it won't ban tobacco products in war zones. Defense officials hadn't actually planned to eliminate smoking &nd...
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Leave the men and women in the armed forces alone, for heaven's sake! .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 07/16/2009
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Being away from one's friends and family for 12 to 15 months, sharing living space with others, working every day, knowing the next day could be your last, having limited ways to relieve stress, etc., etc. Soldiers have enough on their plates, let them smoke if they want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

Do you make these statements based on your experience, or are you speculating?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 07/16/2009
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Nobody likes you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 07/16/2009
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I make them on my experience. Next question....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 07/16/2009

I have that experience, and I agree with Mad Murdock on this. What's your experience?
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 07/16/2009
- Khirad I'm a Fan of Khirad 306 fans permalink
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Pretty much what I came here to say. You know who else wanted soldiers to quit? LOL, I'm not going there, that's not what this is about, I know. I know the tobacco lobby is ev.il and people have battled their own addictions and are sincerely impassioned health advocates... but geez. If I had to live with that stress daily, and given I wasn't in danger from giving away a position at night, I'd be lighting up too. Attack away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 07/16/2009
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when my dad fought in wwii, the tobacco companies passed out free packs to troops, knowing they would have lifelong customers when those boys got home. has anything changed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 07/16/2009
- joyf1 I'm a Fan of joyf1 22 fans permalink
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I also remember a small pack of cigarettes with your meal on the airplanes. Freebie. Usually L&M's probably because their advertising campaign at the time was that smoking an L&M would aid digestion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 07/16/2009
- delta7777 I'm a Fan of delta7777 10 fans permalink
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.
sounds like good for business..
get our young, highly stressed troops to smoking
and watch 'em quit when they get back home..
(yeah..Sure)
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

Yes, let the tobacco industry push its poison on the military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 07/16/2009
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 24 fans permalink

and what poisons are they being subjected to on the battle field ???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 07/16/2009

Yup, cause the soldiers are being forced to use the products. Oh, wait...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/16/2009

look,fool, let them have whatever it takes to help with the stress. I would hate to see all those troops trying to kick the habit at once!! I quit 7 years ago after 25 years of smoking, and it wasn't pretty!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 07/16/2009
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Ya know it used to be a free country. Everyone is well aware of the dangers of smoking at this point. Is it too much to ask that those who choose to smoke be allowed to do so without getting ragged on every time they turn around?

If someone is going to go risk their life for me, you and everyone else who hasn't signed up let them smoke a frigging cigarette I say. There is a lot more to worry about in this world than someone smoking a GD cigarette.

If ya see someone smoking a cigarette outside get the hell out of the way and keep your yapper shut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 07/16/2009
- Burkelbile I'm a Fan of Burkelbile 53 fans permalink
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I'm think bullets, depleted uranium-shell dust and PTSD are probably a lot more of a hazard to our troops than second-hand smoke.

Common sense seems to have won the day (for once)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

Hardly common sense to ignore a major health issue because more serious issues are also present. Would you expose yourself to nerve gas to keep the bugs away?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 07/16/2009
- flurryup I'm a Fan of flurryup 2 fans permalink

When are you enlisting big mouth?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 07/16/2009
- Jay818 I'm a Fan of Jay818 6 fans permalink

If they were irritating enough......

We live in a free country....If cigarrete's are legal, troops should be able to have them....

It is their choice....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 07/16/2009

What makes you think you have a say in this? If a person wants to smoke and cigarettes are legal, by what legerdemain would you deny it?
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 07/16/2009

Hey solider! Go and dodge some bullets for Uncle Sam, beware of IEDs and shrapnel, but under no means smoke those cigarettes. We care for your health!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 07/16/2009
- Jay818 I'm a Fan of Jay818 6 fans permalink

Yeah go to a war that is pointless and be taken away from everything you have for it, even cigarrrete's...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 07/16/2009
- flurryup I'm a Fan of flurryup 2 fans permalink

This is so st upid. These men an women do what most foks are afraid to do. They put their lives on the line every fri icking day. I am a researcher who is doing work on army battalions in WWII. Until I delved deeper into their sacrifices, I thought I knew what they went through. I had NO idea. I would gladly pay for thie healthcare, in order to let them smoke if they want. The life of a soldier is no dress rehearsal. LEAVE THEM ALONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

Why do you assume that people in the military want to smoke?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 07/16/2009
- fedupinfla I'm a Fan of fedupinfla 48 fans permalink
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Do they hold them down and force it on them???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 07/16/2009
- mathme I'm a Fan of mathme 32 fans permalink
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That's not even implied in Flurryup's comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 07/16/2009

What an assinine statement! Whether or not they want to smoke is immaterial! Noone forces them to smoke, neither their peers nor the leadership. If you haven't a clue, perhaps you'd be better commenting in the entertainment section?!
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 07/16/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 260 fans permalink
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Right. Good thinking! We would not want to put any of our troops into a bad habit situation where they might ... DIE! We would NOT want to injure their health 20 years in the future now would we? It is true. There have been 150,000-200,000 suicides since the Vietnam War among veterans of that terrible conflict. It is not a myth. A third of all homeless persons are veterans. War itself is far, far, far more dangerous to one's health than cigarettes. The MIC makes cigarette companies look like amateur hour.

End the drug of choice of the United States: endless war.

I myself did love the Lucky Strikes in 60's vintage C-Rats. But I only smoked them when Uncle Sam provided them for FREE!

Here smoke this, breath very deep, and exhale:

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrGKwkmxAU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

We got those packs of four cigarettes in every pack of C rats.
After we finally ate up all the cases with 1945 printed on the side,
we got the new ones from 1954.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 07/16/2009
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Myth: The media have reported that suicides among Vietnam veterans range from 50,000 to 100,000 - 6 to 11 times the non-Vietnam veteran population.

Mortality studies show that 9,000 is a better estimate.

http://www.vhfcn.org/stat.html

Educating America one liberal at a time~Vieux Charles

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 07/16/2009
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Well, Houk's numbers that you cite in disclaiming that 'myth' are 21 years old. I imagine most Vietnam vets continued to be vets after the age of 45, yes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 07/16/2009
- Scribe57 I'm a Fan of Scribe57 69 fans permalink
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Did you actually read the sourcing at the bottom of the article you cited? Nixon, Westmoreland, and Parade Magazine. Hardly indisputable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 07/16/2009
- HamletsMill I'm a Fan of HamletsMill 260 fans permalink
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I personally knew a journalist researching it back in the late 1990's to see if the myth was true. He was very skeptical going in but eventually changed his mind. He came around to believing it. I personally knew of three. One when I was on active duty way back in the day. He hung himself in the base chapel. I had to file the report into the night log that night. he had just come back from Vietnam and had been assigned into another theater. His Mother had come overseas to see him. It happened while she was there. i never met either of them. Every now and then I say a prayer for them. Just one is enough. I have met many people who know of at east one. So that is why i believe the "myth" as being true. And these are only the overt known cases. How many more silently went under in life from ill health and undiagnosed PTSD ? Those vet center meetings were packed back in 1979. I knew a therapist and he said if they did not get them in while they were still young enough to find a way out of it, they would be lost. No war ever ends until the last person who experienced it is dead.The American people have learned nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 07/16/2009
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Great links, thanks... again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 07/16/2009
- fignozzle I'm a Fan of fignozzle 15 fans permalink
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the tobacco companies should be subsidizing our health care reform as they have certainly added to our health care issues and been mightily rewarded for it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 07/16/2009
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 24 fans permalink

so should the fat people who eat like pigs and weigh so much that they are a plague on the medical system - let's tax them for every pound they are over weigh - fair is fair - and don't tell me it's hereditary -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/16/2009
- RAGGEDSTEP I'm a Fan of RAGGEDSTEP 2 fans permalink

During Vietnam I smoked, drank and enjoyed ladies of negotiable virtue every chance I got. These are activities that are critical to the morale of the American soldier. There is no reason we can't fly in a little liquor on supply choppers and there seems to be no shortage of women that want to serve in combat so I say we let them do what they do best. However, since women cannot meet the physical tests men must pass, we should, at least, raise their appearance standards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/16/2009
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I'm gonna help you walk back from that cliff's edge there and ask if you think that we might just be better served if subsidized prostitution (Female, Male, and anything else in-between) should be a responsibility of the USO. Would be nice if the whole country had a somewhat less hypocritical attitude to such things, like, say Nevada does and perhaps only giving licences to people who did a USO 'tour' might be a way of cracking the door a wedge, much like, in Canada, women's suffrage came after the vote was given to mothers of serving soldiers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 07/16/2009
- AmandaBC I'm a Fan of AmandaBC 612 fans permalink
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"Pentagon To Troops: Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em"

I think they were referring to non-white non-christian people...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 07/16/2009
- bayside I'm a Fan of bayside 41 fans permalink
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Got to love a country who wanted to deny 18 year olds smokes and drinking but still expect them to put their lives on the line possibly dying, but dont you dare smoke or drink...........Arrogant...................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

Deny them smoking? Getting addicted to nicotine is some sort of privilege?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 07/16/2009
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"let me tell you all one dang thing'-
would like to hear from some combat/special forces/ infantry/ sniper types,
my impression is they don't especially like to be out, at night, when a lot of work gets done,
with someone who has to "light up" and blow all that camo or reveal a position,
or be distracted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 07/16/2009
- samjung23 I'm a Fan of samjung23 10 fans permalink

People are waking up to these idealist yuppies that want to change the world and make it some sort of utopia. They're trying to ban everything and people are getting sick of it. Live your life, and we'll live ours.

What's next, anything non-organic will be illegal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 07/16/2009
- BioLiberty I'm a Fan of BioLiberty 2 fans permalink
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Nobody make it out of life alive! Enjoy yourselves and each others company because it could all end in an instant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 07/16/2009
- mathme I'm a Fan of mathme 32 fans permalink
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Yeah, because God knows that uptight conservatives never want to ban anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 07/16/2009

Name the products that those "uptight conservatives" want to ban, would you please?
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 07/16/2009
- blukazoo I'm a Fan of blukazoo 14 fans permalink

I guess cigarettes are probably not the most life threatening thing on the front line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 07/16/2009
- TexasDem0 I'm a Fan of TexasDem0 36 fans permalink

And how much time have you spent on any front line?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 07/16/2009
- fedupinfla I'm a Fan of fedupinfla 48 fans permalink
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Give it up already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 07/16/2009
- mathme I'm a Fan of mathme 32 fans permalink
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Okay, then cigarettes are the most life threatening thing on the front line.

If that's not the statement you wanted, why are you challenging everyone with your bizarre questions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 07/16/2009

I've spent roughly 5 of the last 7 years deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Believe me, you don't want me (or any other Marine) to quit smoking while on deployment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/16/2009
- Gmoney1 I'm a Fan of Gmoney1 24 fans permalink

with or without a cigarette - I bet you would like to know the answer huh -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/16/2009
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