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Israel Rejects U.S. Call To Halt Jerusalem Project

AMY TEIBEL   07/19/09 05:46 PM ET   AP

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JERUSALEM — Israel on Sunday rejected a U.S. demand to suspend a planned housing project in east Jerusalem, threatening to further complicate an unusually tense standoff with its strongest ally over settlement construction.

Israeli officials said the country's ambassador to Washington, Michael Oren, was summoned to the State Department over the weekend and told that a project made up of 20 apartments developed by an American millionaire should not go ahead.

Settlements built on captured lands claimed by the Palestinians have emerged as a major sticking point in relations between Israel and the Obama administration because of their potential to disrupt Mideast peacemaking.

Although Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently yielded to heavy U.S. pressure to endorse the establishment of a Palestinian state, he has resisted American demands for an immediate freeze on settlement expansion.

On Sunday, Netanyahu told his Cabinet there would be no limits on Jewish construction anywhere in "unified Jerusalem."

"We cannot accept the fact that Jews wouldn't be entitled to live and buy anywhere in Jerusalem," Netanyahu declared, calling Israeli sovereignty over the entire city "indisputable."

"I can only imagine what would happen if someone suggested Jews could not live in certain neighborhoods in New York, London, Paris or Rome. There would certainly be a major international outcry," Netanyahu said.

The international community considers Jewish neighborhoods in east Jerusalem to be settlements and an obstacle to Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking because they complicate a possible division of the city. Israel does not regard them as settlements because it annexed east Jerusalem after capturing the area in 1967. The annexation has not been recognized internationally.

East Jerusalem is an especially volatile issue because it is the site of key Jewish, Christian and Muslim holy sites. The Palestinians want the traditionally Arab sector of the city to be the capital of their future state.

Speaking Sunday in New Delhi, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the administration was trying to reach an agreement with the Israelis on settlements. "The negotiations are intense. They are ongoing," she said.

Nearly 300,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements, in addition to about 180,000 Israelis living in Jewish neighborhoods in east Jerusalem.

The new Jerusalem project is being funded by Irving Moskowitz, a millionaire bingo magnate from Florida and supporter of Israeli settlement in east Jerusalem who has funded similar construction projects in the past. Moskowitz purchased the Shepherd Hotel in 1985 and plans to tear it down and build apartments in its place.

The approval, granted by the Jerusalem municipality earlier this month, allows for the construction of 20 apartments plus a three-level underground parking lot. The Jerusalem municipality issued a statement saying the purchase was legal.

Also at the Cabinet meeting, the head of Israel's Shin Bet internal security service, Yuval Diskin, said both the Western-backed administration of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and the militant Islamic Hamas were carrying out "covert activity" in east Jerusalem to stop Jews acquiring property there.

An official present at the meeting, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with Cabinet rules, did not elaborate on what the activity entailed but quoted Diskin as saying that hardline Egyptian cleric Sheik Youssef al-Qaradawi earmarked $25 million to be funneled to Hamas activists in Jerusalem. Al-Qaradawi is a well-known figure in the Arab world and a regular on the satellite Al-Jazeera network.

Diskin told the Cabinet that the money was to be used by Hamas to buy apartments and plots of land and "build charitable institutions to broaden its base in the city," the official said. Diskin did not provide evidence. Israel considers Hamas a terrorist group and bars it from operating in Jerusalem.

Abbas aide Rafiq Husseini dismissed the report. "We wish there was Arab money to buy threatened houses," he told The Associated Press, "but that's not the case." Al-Qaradawi could no be reached for comment.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said Jewish expansion in east Jerusalem jeopardizes peace efforts. The Palestinians have refused to restart peace talks until Israel halts all settlement expansion.

A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy had no immediate comment.

Peace talks are also hampered by the division among Palestinians. Abbas' government operates in the West Bank, while the Gaza Strip is ruled by Hamas.

Diskin, the Shin Bet chief, claimed that foreign nationals linked to the global jihad movement have infiltrated Gaza, according to the government official present at the meeting.

There had been "a steady trickle into Gaza of foreigners linked to global jihad," Diskin said. He did not elaborate or cite evidence, and the Shin Bet would not comment further.

Fathi Hamad, Hamas' interior minister in Gaza, dismissed Diskin's charge as "baseless propaganda."

"There is no al-Qaida or any other organization in Gaza," he said.

In an incident late Sunday, Israeli soldiers shot and wounded a Palestinian who was approaching the Gaza fence, the military said. The Palestinian was wearing a heavy coat on a hot day, raising suspicions, the military said, but he was not carrying weapons or explosives. Both sides later reported exchanges of fire in the area but no casualties.

Also late Sunday, Palestinians said a fuel smuggling tunnel from Egypt into Gaza blew up, killing one Palestinian and wounding several others. Palestinians use dozens of tunnels to smuggle goods into Gaza because of an Israeli and Egyptian blockade against the territory's Hamas rulers.

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Associated Press writer Ibrahim Barzak contributed to this report from Gaza City, Gaza Strip.

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11:19 PM on 07/20/2009
For several decades before WW1 Jewish immigration funded by the Rothschilds and other western European Jews went along rather smoothly. No one had any problem with Jews buying land and there was appreciation of some technology benefits. This was the secular Zionist movement which all started to go wrong after the British and French divided up the spoils of the Ottoman Empire and created "countries". After this the Arabs saw the Jewish immigration as nothing more than more western imperialism. There's a little island just across the way that the British also inherited which also has a bloody history and a wall through the country with UN troops-Cyprus. Zionism went from a homeland movement to a just for Jews movement. And Jews saw the opportunity to substitute politics for purchases. Oh what tangled webs we weave... The most comprehensive book I've read on the time is David Fromkin's, Peace To End All Peace. I know, I know-no one reads.
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
08:47 PM on 07/20/2009
World Opinion Of Israel Is Negative Poll Shows...

POLITICS: Israel, Iran, North Korea and Pakistan are widely seen as exerting the most negative influence on world affairs, according to the latest in a series of annual global surveys by the BBC's World Service on popular perceptions of the world's most powerful or newsworthy nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7324337.stm

I guess like Healthcare it takes the U.S. a little time to catch up
BubbaC33
Jimmy Buffett is the greatest American
04:24 PM on 07/21/2009
The polling you link to is hardly a sceintific polling done to get a representative result. If you poll everyone in Kuwait the results are going to be significantly different than if you poll people in the US. There is a cultural and ethnical component to the results.
More importantly, what a bunch of semi-ignorant yahoos think about Israel is unimportant. It is far better to be right, as Israel is, than to do well in a meaningless poll.
05:25 PM on 07/21/2009
Query:
Anyone else sensing an anti-American sentiment here? Or by "semi-ignorant yahoos" were you referring to Muslims?
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
06:56 PM on 07/21/2009
Thankyou! That deals with Never-Liberal's polls. On the Question of right and wrong, it's simply a matter of perspective. On another topic we established that you were not born in Israel. You were able to emigrate there from another country and move into a house. There is every possibility that, that house was the one that my mother was born in. That she was forced to abandon and was not allowed to return. Private property that was seized and never paid for. From my perspective that is wrong.
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Aussieposter
And so it begins
07:22 PM on 07/20/2009
Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention that prohibits "Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory...." Neither shall "The Occupying Power....deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." In addition, numerous UN resolutions established "no legal validity" for settlement building or for East Jerusalem's annexation.

The convention entered into force on October 21, 1950. In 1993 the United Nations Security Council adopted a report from the Secretary General and a Commission of Experts which concluded beyond doubt that the Geneva Conventions had passed into the body of customary international law that is binding on non-signatory parties whenever they engage in armed conflicts.
http://www.un.org/icty/legaldoc-e/basic/statut/s25704.htm

Israel signed the convention on 8/12/1949

Now anyone out there got a differant relavant law (apart from “Extinctive prescription") Lets hear it.
BubbaC33
Jimmy Buffett is the greatest American
04:26 PM on 07/21/2009
Israel has not forced anyone to leave the West Bank, apart from Jewish settlers.
It is foolish and goofy to suggest the question of settlements on the West Bank can be considered without the idea of a legal annexation by Israel, which is provided by international law, specifically extinctive prescription.
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07:14 PM on 07/22/2009
We already dealt with that Bubba. Your obligations due to membership of the U.N. Mean that you Either have to get out of the westbank and grant the Palestinians self-determination,or if you illegally keep the west bank grant the Palestinians Israeli citizenship. They have the right to vote in either there own government or the one impossed on them.

Where exactly did you get your Law degree from?
06:50 PM on 07/20/2009
All this polling doesn't mean much anyway.

The anti-Israeli-apartheid movement has been growing in this country.

Liberals and moderates are less supportive of Israeli excesses than ever before.

But most of all. If conservatives want to blindly support everything Israel does while the rest of us do what is right, so be it.
01:34 PM on 07/20/2009
Americans support for Israel = 59%

Americans support for palestinians............18%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116308/americans-support-israel-unchanged-gaza-conflict.aspx

LOL.
01:39 PM on 07/20/2009
Warning to Huffposters. Ex-Liberal quotes "recent polls" but cannot provide a reference for same. Any figures given by Ex-Liberal on HuffPost should not be believed unless independently verified!
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01:44 PM on 07/20/2009
I think it is called 'trolling'.
10:42 PM on 07/20/2009
I suspect his numbers are correct which may be why Obama's first speech after securing the nomination was to AIPAC.

"...but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state with secure, recognized, defensible borders. And Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided."

Barak Obama, June 4, 2008.
01:28 PM on 07/20/2009
According to a recent Zogby International poll, 50 percent of Americans think that the U.S. should “get tough” with Israel. Some 32 percent were “not sure,” and only 19 percent said, “do nothing.”

http://www.alternet.org/world/141261/obama%27s_voters_clearly_have_his_back_if_he_wants_to_get_tougher_with_israel/
BubbaC33
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04:52 PM on 07/20/2009
Zogby polls are prone to mistakes, so be careful. LOL
05:26 PM on 07/21/2009
Ad hominem argument predicated on anti-intellectual assault:
Noted.
01:22 PM on 07/20/2009
75% of Americans oppose Israeli settlements:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/30/Poll-Americans-oppose-Israeli-settlements/UPI-49401241064060/
01:26 PM on 07/20/2009
True. But Israelis aren't building new settlements-- they are building new HOMES on existing "settlements." So your poll is irrelevant.
01:30 PM on 07/20/2009
lol, they oppose settlements altogether.
01:31 PM on 07/20/2009
Why are you answering other posts and not spending your time finding my poll information?
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01:29 PM on 07/20/2009
The whole world is opposed to further Israeli expansion, but the extremists are in control of Israel, and will listen to no one but their own kind.
BubbaC33
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04:54 PM on 07/20/2009
The enetire world is not united in any single belief and to make that claim is foolish.
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01:19 PM on 07/20/2009
Here are some of Albert Einstein's thoughts about Zionism and the State of Israel:

"It is inconceivable that those who opposed fascism throughout the world, if currently informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents...A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin..."
"This is the unmistakable stamp of a fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike) and misrepresentation are means, and a 'Leader State' is the goal."


"There could be no greater calamity than a permanent discord between us and the Arab people....Let us recall that in former times no people lived in greater friendship with us than the ancestors of these Arabs."

"I should much rather see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish State."

Now, from a modern day Israeli leader, Ariel Sharon, in 1998:

"...there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and expropriation of their lands."

Yitzhak Shamir, 1997:

"The settlement of the land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."

Ben Gurion:

"Why shold the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel...we have taken their country."
12:57 PM on 07/20/2009
You are strangely and uncharacteristicly SILENT!
01:05 PM on 07/20/2009
Now look who's silent! LOL.
01:24 PM on 07/20/2009
He who laughs last, laughs longest. Please see my posting in reply to your poll info. It took a few minutes to read the poll. Surprisingly some of us like to be informed before presuming to spout off. One more time before laying this to rest. Where are the "recent polls" you speak of? The one you referenced was completely the opposite of what you claimed!
12:50 PM on 07/20/2009
Ex-Liberal made a post claiming the "Recent Polls" showed less than 15% of Americans identified themselves as "liberal". This is the 3rd request for Ex-Liberal to tell us where to find these recent polls? "Liberal" is a loaded word and is used on the MSM as a perjorative, so instead of asking whether a person is a liberal or not, why not ask if they support universal health-care, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Congress' unquestioning support of Israel, green energy, and so on? If the question isn't framed correctly you get polls of the Beck/Limbaugh variety.

Still, I'd like to see those polls. Come on Ex-Liberal, I know you have the info, just share it with us!
01:01 PM on 07/20/2009
Here you go, Mr. Impatient:

"Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121403/Special-Report-Ideologically-Moving.aspx?CSTS=alert

Your average Huffbot is far to the left of "Liberal", approaching marxist territory. So no, they aren't "representative of the public at large." Your average American supports Israel and LOATHES the palestinians.
01:18 PM on 07/20/2009
Thank you for the reference. I just read the Gallup polls you referenced and here are my findings: Nationally, 60% of the respondents either have not changed their views or have become MORE liberal over the last few years. Change in political views over the last few years (self-reported) showed 58% of conservatives became MORE conservative. 66% of moderates did not change or became MORE liberal, and 85% of liberals did not change or became MORE liberal. The poll did not report anywhere the "less than 15% identified as liberal" that you made reference to. Perhaps it was another poll?

I await your response. Sorry if I seem impatient. I had to get back to work!
12:09 PM on 07/20/2009
All this arrogance and bullying by the Israelis will come back to haunt them. The world turns slowly but it turns nonetheless.
11:53 AM on 07/20/2009
Either HuffPost readers are a weirdly distorted cohort of the American Public that is (1) unusually informed about the history of Palestine, and (2) overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian, or they are truly representative of the American Public at large. I believe they represent the American public at large, and their OVERWHELMING support for Palestinian rights expressed on HuffPosts is incredible to see. Why isn't this reported in the MSM? I think we know the answer to that! Israel has a massive propaganda machine in this country, organized at the college level (Google "HASBARA") that perpetuates itself throughout our society, especially the media. Coupled with the outright corruption of Congress that allows pressure groups like AIPAC to divert a small percentage of the 3 billion dollars given to Israel every year by the American Taxpayer BACK to Congress to buy their votes and to defeat independents in elections. The health-care debacle, the Credit-card law, the Medicare Prescription give-away, the "Clean" Air Act, all should be enough to convinve the American people that Congress is for sale. The mess in the Middle East is a direct result of decades of Congress' corruption.

The propaganda being put out by Israel's backers on this site and others that Jerusalem (also the West Bank) is Israeli territory and no one can tell them what to do there, is pure balderdash. East Jerusalem is OCCUPIED TERRITORY, and international law prohibits the annexation of occupied terriory by the occupying power.
12:07 PM on 07/20/2009
Huffbots representative of the public at large? LOLOL.

According to recent polls, barely 15% of Americans identify themselves as "Liberal".

Most Huffbots are even farther to the left, so that should tell you how "representative" of the public at large they are.
12:33 PM on 07/20/2009
Please cite the polls you refer to. If true, this would be a revelation. I can't wait!
12:34 PM on 07/20/2009
"According to recent polls, barely 15% of Americans identify themselves as "Liberal". "

Learn to use "the google". Don't be afraid of facts. I see you've learned to just make them up. You are well on your way to being a true conservative. Now just cheat on your wife and sleep with men.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/Conservatives-Single-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
11:42 AM on 07/20/2009
Banning Jews from eastern Jerusalem is racist. If the Palestinians want to be considered partners in peace, they must allow Jews to live in their land just like Israel allows Arabs to live in their land as equals.
12:54 PM on 07/20/2009
I am now convinced of the existence of a parallel universe.
11:24 AM on 07/20/2009
Double military and economic aid to Israel, and tell Obama and the Arab oil lobby to go take a hike.
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11:38 AM on 07/20/2009
It's your position that Israel should do whatever it pleases, whenever it pleases in the region and the US should blindly back them economically and militarily no matter how often they do things that are against the interests of the US and the region?

You sound more like one of the W's sheep than an ex-Liberal!
11:53 AM on 07/20/2009
>>>It's your position...

No, that's not my position. It's what YOU say my position is. It doesn't deserve a response.
12:34 PM on 07/20/2009
How do you double military and economic aid to Israel when we have to borrow it from China? Have you not noticed America is on decline, the American Century is over. Apart from the moral issues, we can't pay anymore, we just don't have it.
BubbaC33
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01:02 PM on 07/20/2009
The actual aid sent to Israel last year was $2.4 billion, only a little more than the $1.8 billion sent to Egypt. This year Israel will get about $3 billion, hardly double the amount from last year.
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11:03 AM on 07/20/2009
bibi feels that now that were pulling out of iraq, the ten billion spent monthly there should be re-routed to israel. they are our best and only true friend in the world. the intel they provide the u.s. is priceless, just check aipac. bams approval numbers have dipped a little so now is a good time to take him on. watch closely where some members of congress end up supporting. to be honest, obama should crush those parasites who would jeorpadize the peace process to gain favor with aipac. the sooner the better. ike is the only president that stood up to israel. lets hope bam is the second. the israeli govt. and their u.s. supporters thrive on the weakness of their leaders .bush allowed settlement growth. our worse president bar none.